Tom Boyd

[100action]

But that alone doesn't justify a million bucks a year.

Lmao

If the club had $100m, it would be paid if it could guarantee a premiership.

$6m for a premiership is an absolute bargain.

Find another way to cope.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

A great ruck forward can be just as valuable as a permanent forward.

Give me an example.

I think last year he was on a standard wage because he was a second year player. So I don't believe we have paid him $2m for the first two seasons. It's more like $1.2m. I would say that is justified for two years given he ended up becoming an integral part of our premiership winning team.

How is that justified?

Where will he finish in your B&F this season?

How many bulldog games you seen this year? I've seen them all, and he has been very important since he came back into the side in the latter half of the year.

The question is whether his salary has been justified.

Again, where will he finish in your B&F?

Do you imagine he'd be in the top 10? If not, how can you claim that wage is justified.

 

[Cuzzle]

Could never get another kick and would still be worth every cent. Was huge on the big stage and was probably the main reason the doggies won.

Was brought in to win the dogs a flag and he's done that almost off his own boot, don't know why everyone seems to be obsessed with what he does from here on out. I'd pay anyone as much as they wanted a year if it meant a flag.

 

[2006_Eagles]

His game reminded me of Tom Hawkins back in the 2009 grand final. Finally looked like he belonged out there

Boyd has more talent than Hawkins.

If Tom H isn't marking one on one in the 50 he's pretty much useless

 

[Sweet Jesus]

If the club had $100m, it would be paid if it could guarantee a premiership.

$6m for a premiership is an absolute bargain.

This makes no sense.

Clubs have a salary cap so can't pay $100 million. I thought that would go without saying.

And Boyd didn't win the flag singlehandedly so it's not really a case of "paying $6 million for a premiership".

What are Liam Picken, Matthew Boyd and Easton Wood worth? Do they play for free? Or do they get a million bucks each too?

Find another way to cope.

Cope with what? The Dogs are a popular winner. That doesn't make Boyd's salary justified.

 

[Werewolf]

Where will he finish in your B&F this season?

Do you imagine he'd be in the top 10? If not, how can you claim that wage is justified.

Not that high, mostly because he missed 10 games with a shoulder injury then had to come back through the VFL. Is he overpaid? Yes, but the premiership cup is ours and that's all that matters at the end of the day

 

[Wetdog]

Give me an example.

How is that justified?

Where will he finish in your B&F this season?

The question is whether his salary has been justified.

Again, where will he finish in your B&F?

Do you imagine he'd be in the top 10? If not, how can you claim that wage is justified.

Simon Madden.

I would say that he would finish around 15th in the B&F. But you can't look at that in isolation. You need to look at how his recruitment helped the team win the premiership this year.

Let's flip this around. So what should have the dogs done at the end of 2014 as the counterfactual to recruiting TBoyd? And how would that have led to more team success in 2015 and 2016? Tell me.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Could never get another kick and would still be worth every cent.

Obviously bullshit.

Was huge on the big stage and was probably the main reason the doggies won.

Shane Ellen also worth a million bucks?

Was brought in to win the dogs a flag and he's done that almost off his own boot

Rubbish. Off his own boot? What game were you watching?

don't know why everyone seems to be obsessed with what he does from here on out.

Because he's on a million bucks a year and people are claiming that salary is now justified on the back of one big game, which is obviously nonsensical.

I'd pay anyone as much as they wanted a year if it meant a flag.

Would you pay all 22 players a million bucks each?

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Not that high, mostly because he missed 10 games with a shoulder injury then had to come back through the VFL. Is he overpaid? Yes, but the premiership cup is ours and that's all that matters at the end of the day

There's no disputing that the Dogs won the flag. The question being debated is whether Boyd has now justified his exorbitant wage. But you acknowledge that he's overpaid so I guess that's sufficient.

 

[2006_Eagles]

Obviously bullshit.

Shane Ellen also worth a million bucks?

Rubbish. Off his own boot? What game were you watching?

Because he's on a million bucks a year and people are claiming that salary is now justified on the back of one big game, which is obviously nonsensical.

Would you pay all 22 players a million bucks each?

He takes contested marks over other people in a granny. And kicks goals

Give it up you drip

Are you really trivializing his performance in a Granny?

What a tool

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Simon Madden.

Simon Madden was an elite ruckman – one of the best of the past 40 years.

Are you sure that's the benchmark you want to set for Tom Boyd?

Boyd is going to be a ruck-forward of Simon Madden's quality so we don't need to focus exclusively on how many goals he kicks?

I would say that he would finish around 15th in the B&F. But you can't look at that in isolation. You need to look at how his recruitment helped the team win the premiership this year.

I'm looking at whether he's justified his salary. That's a hard sell if he's finishing 15th in the B&F.

Let's flip this around. So what should have the dogs done at the end of 2014 as the counterfactual to recruiting TBoyd? And how would that have led to more team success in 2015 and 2016? Tell me.

I'm not saying they shouldn't have gone after Tom Boyd. I don't make any criticism one way or the other on that score.

But that's not an excuse for you to be completely divorced from reality in arguing he's now justified that wage. He hasn't. Why don't you just acknowledge that, given it is obviously the case?

 

[Sweet Jesus]

He takes contested marks over other people in a granny. And kicks goals

Give it up you drip

Are you really trivializing his performance in a Granny?

What a tool

I'm saying his performance in the GF doesn't automatically justify his exorbitant contract.

It's not that complicated.

 

[Wetdog]

I'm saying his performance in the GF doesn't automatically justify his exorbitant contract.

It's not that complicated.

Why do you not mention his end of season form or his form in the finals? It was good, and without him it is more unlikely that we win the premiership.

 

[Cuzzle]

Obviously bullshit.

Shane Ellen also worth a million bucks?

Rubbish. Off his own boot? What game were you watching?

Because he's on a million bucks a year and people are claiming that salary is now justified on the back of one big game, which is obviously nonsensical.

Would you pay all 22 players a million bucks each?

Was watching the same game as most people that weren't too stubborn to see how well he played because they don't want to admit they were wrong about him. I'm happy to admit I thought he was a spud and the doggies wasted their coin but you can ask any bulldogs fan and not one would say its not worth it now.

You think the dogs would've rather he tear up the home and away season kicking 80 a year for 5 years and they never win a flag to justify his pay packet?
Give me a spell. They payed overs to get someone they thought would help them win a premiership and tonight he and 22 other blokes have a medallion hanging round their necks as the club and their supporters celebrate their first flag in decades. Could've been 2 mil a year and would still be worth it.

 

[Wetdog]

Simon Madden was an elite ruckman – one of the best of the past 40 years.

Are you sure that's the benchmark you want to set for Tom Boyd?

Boyd is going to be a ruck-forward of Simon Madden's quality so we don't need to focus exclusively on how many goals he kicks?

I'm looking at whether he's justified his salary. That's a hard sell if he's finishing 15th in the B&F.

I'm not saying they shouldn't have gone after Tom Boyd. I don't make any criticism one way or the other on that score.

But that's not an excuse for you to be completely divorced from reality in arguing he's now justified that wage. He hasn't. Why don't you just acknowledge that, given it is obviously the case?

I know who Simon Madden is. I was the one who mentioned him, remember? You asked me for an example of a ruck forward who is just as valuable as a permanent forward. So I gave you one. I'm not suggesting TBoyd will be as good as Simon Madden.

You cannot assess players on their individual performance alone; no man is an island. You must look at how they contribute to the team, and the impact they have on team results. The recruitment and payment for TBoyd in 2015 and 2016 helped yield the ultimate team success. In that context, it is justified.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Why do you not mention his end of season form or his form in the finals?

Because I assume everyone is broadly aware of it, particularly his performance today, which I have acknowledged repeatedly.

It was good, and without him it is more unlikely that we win the premiership.

That doesn't mean his salary is justified.

There is a massive leap to be made between Boyd being one of the Bulldogs' best today and being worth a million bucks a year.

Liam Picken had a great finals series. Without him, it is more unlikely that the Dogs would have won the premiership. Is he also worth a million bucks a year?

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Was watching the same game as most people that weren't too stubborn to see how well he played because they don't want to admit they were wrong about him. I'm happy to admit I thought he was a spud and the doggies wasted their coin but you can ask any bulldogs fan and not one would say its not worth it now.

So you think he's worth a million bucks a year based solely on today's game?

You think the dogs would've rather he tear up the home and away season kicking 80 a year for 5 years and they never win a flag to justify his pay packet?

That's not the question at hand.

Give me a spell. They payed overs to get someone they thought would help them win a premiership and tonight he and 22 other blokes have a medallion hanging round their necks as the club and their supporters celebrate their first flag in decades. Could've been 2 mil a year and would still be worth it.

Have you heard of the salary cap?

You can't pay every guy who contributes $1 million.

 

[Ok Boomer]

This thread should be turned into a shrine to the great man, and moral normy winner.

 

[Wetdog]

Because I assume everyone is broadly aware of it, particularly his performance today, which I have acknowledged repeatedly.

That doesn't mean his salary is justified.

There is a massive leap to be made between Boyd being one of the Bulldogs' best today and being worth a million bucks a year.

Liam Picken had a great finals series. Without him, it is more unlikely that the Dogs would have won the premiership. Is he also worth a million bucks a year?

It could be argued that every list management decision made over the last few years is justified because it yielded the only thing that actually matters in football: a premiership.

 

[2006_Eagles]

I'm saying his performance in the GF doesn't automatically justify his exorbitant contract.

It's not that complicated.

Do you have any idea of the money a Grand Final win generates for a club?

 

[Wetdog]

Do you have any idea of the money a Grand Final win generates for a club?

I don't think he has much of an idea about anything.

Maybe he should contact the club with his list management ideas? I'm sure they would love to hear them for a laugh.

The club has been excellent in recruitment, development and list management over the past two or three years.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

I know who Simon Madden is. I was the one who mentioned him, remember? You asked me for an example of a ruck forward who is just as valuable as a permanent forward. So I gave you one. I'm not suggesting TBoyd will be as good as Simon Madden.

So who is the benchmark for Boyd as a ruck-forward who'd be worth $1 million per season without his goals being the main factor?

That's the metric you presented but the reality is that there are very few ruck-forwards in recent times who are more valuable than the top-line key forwards. Simon Madden would be one but you're not willing to use him as the benchmark for Boyd.

You cannot assess players on their individual performance alone; no man is an island.

Rubbish. When you're getting paid a million bucks a year, you get assessed on individual output. Don't hide behind platitudes.

You must look at how they contribute to the team, and the impact they have on team results. The recruitment and payment for TBoyd in 2015 and 2016 helped yield the ultimate team success. In that context, it is justified.

You keep saying this as though Boyd's salary exists in a vacuum.

If Boyd is worth a million, what's Bontempelli worth?

Are you going to pay $1 million to every player who contributes?

 

[Sweet Jesus]

It could be argued that every list management decision made over the last few years is justified because it yielded the only thing that actually matters in football: a premiership.

But that would be an obviously nonsensical argument.

 

[2006_Eagles]

So who is the benchmark for Boyd as a ruck-forward who'd be worth $1 million per season without his goals being the main factor?

That's the metric you presented but the reality is that there are very few ruck-forwards in recent times who are more valuable than the top-line key forwards. Simon Madden would be one but you're not willing to use him as the benchmark for Boyd.

Rubbish. When you're getting paid a million bucks a year, you get assessed on individual output. Don't hide behind platitudes.

You keep saying this as though Boyd's salary exists in a vacuum.

If Boyd is worth a million, what's Bontempelli worth?

Are you going to pay $1 million to every player who contributes?

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Do you have any idea of the money a Grand Final win generates for a club?

I'm sure it generates plenty.

But Boyd didn't deliver a flag singlehandedly and a flag doesn't cause the salary cap to evaporate.

Quinten Lynch kicked 3 goals in the 2006 GF, which WC won by a point. No chance WC would have won that flag without Lynch. I guess he was worth a million bucks a season because of that.