Tom Boyd

[FoochPackage]

Why is everybody losing their shit over Boyd anyway? Where are the threads for the people that actually got the Dogs to the GF?

Bulldogs V WCE
14 Disposals
5 Marks
2 Contested Marks
0 Goals
71% Disposal Efficiency

Bulldogs V Hawks
18 Disposals
4 Marks
0 Contested Marks
0 Goals
72% Disposal Efficiency

Bulldogs V GWS
14 Disposals
1 Marks
0 Contested Marks
0 Goals
57% Disposal Efficiency

Let's be real, he's not good yet. He had a great game, but has a very long way to go. 98% of the credit for this years flag should be going to almost anybody else in the team.

I want to see his GF stats. Show me them

 

[FoochPackage]

Nick has an MVP award, something I don't expect Tom Boyd to ever receive.

I wonder which one nick would prefer? The one Tom wears or his MVP award.

 

[Pugz89]

Nick has an MVP award, something I don't expect Tom Boyd to ever receive.

Players play all their lives to receive an MVP award. I know plenty of journalists who ask Brownlow medallists if they'd give it up for a shot at an MVP award. I mean it really is the pinnacle of this great game of ours. MVP>everything else.

 

[Stevey J]

Nick has an MVP award, something I don't expect Tom Boyd to ever receive.

Nick would trade 100 MVP awards for that medal around Tom's neck, unfortunately Nick Riewoldt will never be involved in winning a premiership, even though he has dedicated his entire life to it.

 

[Pannalstaroz]

Nick has an MVP award, something I don't expect Tom Boyd to ever receive.

Worst.

Argument.

Ever.

 

[Plugger35]

Nick would trade 100 MVP awards for that medal around Tom's neck, unfortunately Nick Riewoldt will never be involved in winning a premiership, even though he has dedicated his entire life to it.
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Nick hasn't retired yet, he might get one next year or the year after if he plays on that long, even if he doesn't he's still had a great career.

There's been plenty of great Bulldogs players that have never got a premiership medal too and plenty of ordinary players that have got one.

 

[Underdog]

Your joke would work if it wasn't for the fact that Cummings had a very good goal kicking ability and won a Coleman

 

[jdz101]

Your joke would work if it wasn't for the fact that Cummings had a very good goal kicking ability and won a Coleman

My joke might have worked if it was even my joke in the first place....

 

[ManOfClay]

Luke Darcy got an MVP award too

 

[TiAn_]

Your joke would work if it wasn't for the fact that Cummings had a very good goal kicking ability and won a Coleman

 

[HarryZLA]

This is an embarrassing thread to read.

The MVP award argument was terrible, but the Premiership player >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> non-Premiership player is also terrible.

Yes people like Nick Riewoldt may never win a Premiership, and people like Tom Boyd will always have that over him. It simply doesn't make him a better player. Had Tom Boyd won every game this year off his own back, and then absolutely carried the Dogs through the finals series, and then had one of the best GF performances the AFL has ever seen, then you could say what half of you are currently saying about him.

Should we go get a list of people that retired without a premiership to their name and compare them to some of the spuds that did win one? It's been done so many times when this ridiculous argument starts.

You are also basically shitting all over any Bulldog great that didn't win a Premiership, so I'm not sure what you lot are trying to achieve.

 

[Farm Boy]

I don't get the bickering. Boyd is still a work in progress, still a lot of flaws in his game - and he does need to improve (as 99% of young players do). Prior to the grand final I wasn't sure he would be able to make those improvements. After the Grand Final I have no doubt he will. But now he does have a medal, and now he did perform on the biggest day (when it truly counts), I think he should be afforded the luxury of time. Let him improve in his own time before going out and comparing him to Nick Riewoldt. There is no need to throw the kid to wolves, I think a more realistic comparison would be Boyd vs Hogan, or Boyd Vs McCartin. At least we can keep a timeline on these match ups.

 

[Pannalstaroz]

I don't get the bickering. Boyd is still a work in progress, still a lot of flaws in his game - and he does need to improve (as 99% of young players do). Prior to the grand final I wasn't sure he would be able to make those improvements. After the Grand Final I have no doubt he will. But now he does have a medal, and now he did perform on the biggest day (when it truly counts), I think he should be afforded the luxury of time. Let him improve in his own time before going out and comparing him to Nick Riewoldt. There is no need to throw the kid to wolves, I think a more realistic comparison would be Boyd vs Hogan, or Boyd Vs McCartin. At least we can keep a timeline on these match ups.

Given many of your brethren seem content comparing him to a potato, our natural extension is to say he's better than Riewoldt. It's BigFooty 101.

 

[Anja_Nees]

The bizarre thing is I get where the Saints trolls here are coming from. Pre flag, there was a part of me that didn't want to see Melbourne or the Saints win one before us and leave us sitting there as perennial prelim chokers. I now realise how I might have sounded paying out my Saints/Dees pals over the years. That said I desperately wanted the Saints to do it in 2010.

Now that we've done it I actually want to see the Saints win one wholeheartedly. While the tragedy of 09/10 sits in the back of their minds they just won't be able to see past it. Boyd is still inconsistent and will probably be a ruck/forward rather that the dominant chf we ordered. It doesn't matter - without him we wouldn't have a flag.

No one seriously thinks he's a better player than Riewoldt. It matters not. He stood up when it really counted and got us over the line. He's in our best 22 and if he floats along kicking 25 goals a year and relieving in the ruck and hits no great highs for the rest of his career no one will give a shit. He did what he had to when it counted.

The great irony in the whole thing is that a few years back a reporter was embedded with the Saints at trade/draft time and Richo bemoaned the fact the Saints paid a huge portion of their cap to a tiny number of stars. It left them with hacks like Clarke getting a regular game when it counted. The Saints are more guilty of this than anyone and it has bitten them hard.

The 21 other players who got premiership medals two weeks back know they wouldn't have them if we hadn't made the Boyd trade. Doubt very much they'll be too grumpy about his salary in years to come.


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[Farm Boy]

Given many of your brethren seem content comparing him to a potato, our natural extension is to say he's better than Riewoldt. It's BigFooty 101.

Fair call, there is no middle ground on big footy at times. As a result Boyd is either a spud who shouldn't be on the list, or he is better than Gary Ablett snr (because Boyd has won a flag). I am guilty of potting Boyd myself at times, but in reality he is still a young player learning the game.

 

[X_box_X]

I haven't posted in this thead yet, and I came here to make a sensible and mature post, but it looks like this is another thread that has been hijacked by Plugger having more wet dreams over the umpires, so I won't bother about the sensible and mature post. Unfortunately, unless Plugger gets suspended, this will be the last post I will be making in this thread.

 

[jdz101]

This is an embarrassing thread to read.

The MVP award argument was terrible, but the Premiership player >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> non-Premiership player is also terrible.

Yes people like Nick Riewoldt may never win a Premiership, and people like Tom Boyd will always have that over him. It simply doesn't make him a better player. Had Tom Boyd won every game this year off his own back, and then absolutely carried the Dogs through the finals series, and then had one of the best GF performances the AFL has ever seen, then you could say what half of you are currently saying about him.

Should we go get a list of people that retired without a premiership to their name and compare them to some of the spuds that did win one? It's been done so many times when this ridiculous argument starts.

You are also basically shitting all over any Bulldog great that didn't win a Premiership, so I'm not sure what you lot are trying to achieve.

Taking the sensible high ground in a thread that has devolved into cheap pot shots and snark would have been a trait I admired if fans of your side hadn't been the ones that started all that BS in the first place.

I get that it's a select few and not a representation of st kilda posters on here overall, but it's a long bow to draw to tell dogs fans how to argue for tom boyd against your own team's trolls.

Of course we're going to defend tom. He plays for our side. Just like you would defend Mccartin or Riewoldt.

 

[David Schwarz]

I don't get the bickering. Boyd is still a work in progress, still a lot of flaws in his game - and he does need to improve (as 99% of young players do). Prior to the grand final I wasn't sure he would be able to make those improvements. After the Grand Final I have no doubt he will. But now he does have a medal, and now he did perform on the biggest day (when it truly counts), I think he should be afforded the luxury of time. Let him improve in his own time before going out and comparing him to Nick Riewoldt. There is no need to throw the kid to wolves, I think a more realistic comparison would be Boyd vs Hogan, or Boyd Vs McCartin. At least we can keep a timeline on these match ups.

Hey! Intelligence, I cannot believe it

 

[Doggies1972]

I hope he dobs a torp from 65 after the siren to win the Grand Final. Would be grouse.

Not far from the reality

 

[Doggies1972]

People were criticising him for looking like Tarzan and playing like Jane, which he was.

Hell even one of his team-mates was hanging shit on him for being overpaid & he received a whack & a hospital visit for it.

Yet somehow all the criticism was led by a few St Kilda supporters on BF.

Ok . . .

FFS... you sook more saint Nick.

 

[Doggies1972]

Doesn't that merely indicate that Tippett is also overpaid?

It's one game.

Boyd was great today but it will take more than that to truly justify his salary.

Why do people have to overreact to whatever happened five minutes ago? It's bullshit.

He went alright against the Eagles at Subiaco in an elimination final

 

[Headless]

Not far from the reality

I did smile when it happened.

 

[Doggies1972]

Give me an example.

How is that justified?

Where will he finish in your B&F this season?

The question is whether his salary has been justified.

Again, where will he finish in your B&F?

Do you imagine he'd be in the top 10? If not, how can you claim that wage is justified.

Do you think anyone in the club or who supports the club gives a rats about his B&F ranking.
I'm sure Cripps, Weitering and Casboult polled well in Carlton's B&F. Sure it might mean something when a cup isn't involved, and that is how you justify the wage.

 

[NathanMX]

Haha is that supposed to be a burn? Flagless Roo's career retrospective is a comedy for Dogs supporters now. Couldn't care less about prelims from 7 years ago, now we have a flag to enjoy. You just don't get it.



lol we can all see how much enjoyment the Saints have been giving you by watching you carpet bombing other teams' threads post-premiership with embarrassing umpire conspiracy theories.

does this mean Smith, Grant, West, Johnson and even Bob Murphy have had jokes of careers too then?

So a flag means everything does it? Would have thought Scott West especially was defined by his courage and ball winning skills, but no flag means no good according to some

ergo Fletcher Roberts and Joel Hamling are better then Scott West because they have a premiership medal

 

[Doggies1972]

Ok, I retract everything I said in this thread.

I believe Boyd should be given a 100% pay increase, be retrospectively awarded this year's Brownlow & named AA CHF because he single handily carried his team into the GF and won it for them.

Better?

Just to think, old man saint Nick nearly did the same thing from 1 metre out. Yet it was smothered. Should Saint Nick not be delisted for that futile pathetic effort. Basing salary and individualism as the context of your arguement, Saint Nick Choked, Lord Tom stood up...Award Tom the awards, and delist the sook.