Tom Boyd

[Sweet Jesus]

The premise.

The premise is that Boyd is overpaid. He's the Dogs' highest-paid player but is nowhere near being their best-performed.

What part of that is irrational?

Try to say something that makes sense.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

He's been overpaid for output.

Is that different to simply being overpaid?

 

[boydee]

You can say I'm being overpaid but the picture says it all. And there',s more where that come from, don't you worry about that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm worth 10 million. Ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Pannalstaroz]

Is that different to simply being overpaid?

You realise that doesn't make sense, right?

 

[Sweet Jesus]

You realise that doesn't make sense, right?

No. It makes complete sense.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

You can say I'm being overpaid but the picture says it all. And there',s more where that come from, don't you worry about that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm worth 10 million. Ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Does the picture explain that he's been overpaid to date?

 

[Pannalstaroz]

No. It makes complete sense.

Ok, can you give me an example of a player paid his correct wage and then we can debate the "over" component of your argument.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Ok, can you give me an example of a player paid his correct wage and then we can debate the "over" component of your argument.

Boyd is presumably the Dogs' highest-paid player but is nowhere near their best-performed. This is an obvious discrepancy. Hence, he is overpaid.

 

[boydee]

Does the picture explain that he's been overpaid to date?

Yes it does dipstick, go away and think about something to say that is original. You are just jealous. Get over it.

 

[Pannalstaroz]

Boyd is presumably the Dogs' highest-paid player but is nowhere near their best-performed. This is an obvious discrepancy. Hence, he is overpaid.

Can you point me to his exact salary this year? That will make this debate infinitely easier. At the moment we just seem to be dealing in assumptions. It's very hard to debate assumptions.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Yes it does dipstick, go away and think about something to say that is original. You are just jealous. Get over it.

So you acknowledge he's been overpaid to date?

 

[TiAn_]

The premise is that Boyd is overpaid. He's the Dogs' highest-paid player but is nowhere near being their best-performed.

What part of that is irrational?

Try to say something that makes sense.

No, the premise of your argument is that establishing that Boyd is overpaid (based on quantitative and qualitative assumptions) is not only objective, but an outcome that warrants the application of your time.

Tom Boyd is underpaid. Please disprove my argument and explain why it was worth your time do so.

Why did I bother writing this? I just enjoy writing "we won the flag, suck it".

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Can you point me to his exact salary this year? That will make this debate infinitely easier. At the moment we just seem to be dealing in assumptions. It's very hard to debate assumptions.

It's been widely reported that his contract was for an average of $1 million a year. If you're disputing that figure, then say so. But based on that figure, he's been overpaid.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

No, the premise of your argument is that establishing that Boyd is overpaid (based on quantitative and qualitative assumptions) is not only objective, but an outcome that warrants the application of your time.

That's not the premise of my argument.

Why did I bother writing this? I just enjoy writing "we won the flag you flog, suck it".

No one disputes that the Dogs won the flag. And, indeed, they were a popular winner. This, however, does not mean Boyd hasn't been overpaid to date. He has.

 

[TiAn_]

That's not the premise of my argument.

No one disputes that the Dogs won the flag. And, indeed, they were a popular winner. This, however, does not mean Boyd hasn't been overpaid to date. He has.

Haha you don't know what premise means.

So you agree that we won the flag?

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Haha you don't know what premise means.

Yes, I do.

So you agree that we won the flag?

Of course.

 

[boydee]

So you acknowledge he's been overpaid to date?

No I dont. Boyd has shown he can produce on the big stage, his finals efforts show he is worth every cent. Instead of bringing up the same old crap, you may as well talk about the whole Eagles team and Jack Darling. Spineless, gutless performances in last years GF and this years Elimination final. Talk about getting overpaid. Boyd has proved his worth, your players haven't.

 

[TiAn_]

Yes, I do.

Of course.

No, you don't. You just said something that is clearly the premise of your argument is not.

Do you agree that Tom Boyd played in the Bulldogs 2016 premiership?

 

[_Mike_]

It's been widely reported that his contract was for an average of $1 million a year. If you're disputing that figure, then say so. But based on that figure, he's been overpaid.

We overpaid on the trade, correct.

Tom Boyds initial contract is 2 years in, so then after its completed lets then look back and evaluate whether his contract was overpaid. You want to look at an overpaid contract for a player that has gone it's full tenure, go look to the Scully deal (who reportedly earned $2m in his first year) and evaluate what Scully has done other than collect fat pay checks for his $6m deal

Point being, people will make their own decision at the end of the day and don't require someone else to make that decision for them on the basis of a narrow comparison.

 

[Pannalstaroz]

It's been widely reported that his contract was for an average of $1 million a year. If you're disputing that figure, then say so. But based on that figure, he's been overpaid.

It's been widely reported? Good lord, and here I am trying to deal in facts. I'd have hoped someone with such strong and forthright views might have more than simply media reports.

Ok, I'll play the game. Naitinui is "widely reported" as being paid $1m per year, but, as far as I can ascertain, he has not finished in the top 3 of your club's best and fairest, despite having played 7 years. So your highest paid player is not considered, by his own club, to have been in the best 3 players in any of his many seasons? Although I understand and accept it's off topic for this thread, surely you'd concede that Nick is grossly overpaid? It seems his only accolade is a dubious AA award some years ago. This discrepancy, IMO, needs some addressing, given underperforming, overpaid talls is the topic du jour?

 

[Sweet Jesus]

No I dont. Boyd has shown he can produce on the big stage, his finals efforts show he is worth every cent.

But he hasn't been worth every cent to date. That's clearly untrue.

Instead of bringing up the same old crap, you may as well talk about the whole Eagles team and Jack Darling..

Why? What does that have to do with Boyd?

Spineless, gutless performances in last years GF and this years Elimination final. Talk about getting overpaid. Boyd has proved his worth, your players haven't.

Boyd has proved that he's worth $1 million a season?

Is he the Bulldogs' best player?

How do you imagine criticising West Coast, even where it's justified, makes the case one way or the other regarding Boyd? It's a transparent attempt to change the subject.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

It's been widely reported? Good lord, and here I am trying to deal in facts.

OK. So tell me the facts. What is Boyd's contract worth?

If you dispute the figures reported dozens of times by various outlets, then by all means correct the record.

Are you saying he's not being paid $1 million per year?

I'd have hoped someone with such strong and forthright views might have more than simply media reports.

Like what? A copy of his bank statement?

What kind of documentation do you imagine would suffice?

Ok, I'll play the game. Naitinui is "widely reported" as being paid $1m per year, but, as far as I can ascertain, he has not finished in the top 3 of your club's best and fairest, despite having played 7 years. So your highest paid player is not considered, by his own club, to have been in the best 3 players in any of his many seasons? Although I understand and accept it's off topic for this thread, surely you'd concede that Nick is grossly overpaid? It seems his only accolade is a dubious AA award some years ago. This discrepancy, IMO, needs some addressing, given underperforming, overpaid talls is the topic du jour?

If Naitanui is in fact on $1 million per year then you could certainly make the case that that's overs. What's your point?

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Do you agree that Tom Boyd played in the Bulldogs 2016 premiership?

Yes.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

We overpaid on the trade, correct.

That's not what's being argued. I'm saying he's being overpaid in salary terms.

Tom Boyds initial contract is 2 years in, so then after its completed lets then look back and evaluate whether his contract was overpaid.

We don't need to wait to say he's been overpaid to date.

You want to look at an overpaid contract for a player that has gone it's full tenure, go look to the Scully deal (who reportedly earned $2m in his first year) and evaluate what Scully has done other than collect fat pay checks for his $6m deal

Yes. Scully was also overpaid.

Point being, people will make their own decision at the end of the day and don't require someone else to make that decision for them on the basis of a narrow comparison.

What narrow comparison?

 

[Pannalstaroz]

OK. So tell me the facts. What is Boyd's contract worth?

If you dispute the figures reported dozens of times by various outlets, then by all means correct the record.

Are you saying he's not being paid $1 million per year?

No one knows. That's the point.

Like what? A copy of his bank statement?

Well that would make it easier.

What kind of documentation do you imagine would suffice?

Anything that could possibly support your assertion that he's overpaid, I guess.

It's very hard to debate that anyone is overpaid without knowing what he's being paid.