Scandal Tom Silvagni convicted of rape

[Rod Stroker]

What parents wouldn't try to support their son when in trouble?

"Wearing a prison green sweatshirt, Silvagni beamed into the courtroom seated in a white-walled room. His parents, who supported him throughout the trial, did not attend"

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/courts-law/tom-silvagni-son-of-carlton-footballing-family-convicted-of-rape/news-story/f67fed84f271d0947602a7b04c2f7faa

 

[Woolly Mammoth]

Its sad that Western culture believes this

Once you reach 21 its the childs job to look after the parents... Perhaps if he was doing that this thread wouldnt exist. When no one relies on you and you rely on everyone its easy to just make whatever mistake you feel like

Sounds good but not sure it has any modern world/real world applications, I mean in this case for example, if Tom after failing at football had found success in another field of endeavour, say some dodgy as f*ck but insanely lucrative betting website, and was for all intents and purposes looking after his parents, their attempts to protect his reputation would have been quintupled.

 

[Woolly Mammoth]

You do need to be careful when passing judgment on suppression orders.

People should keep in mind that we get our information on them from the media, and the media will ALWAYS oppose them. Because the media want to publish everything. They want their clicks, it's their business.

So as soon as there's any sort of suppression order they'll start with the familiar wailing... "different rules for them!!" "the rich protecting themselves!!" "it's all about how much money you have!!"

Its their usual cheap line that wins easy support.

Money doesn't buy suppression orders. It can certainly help, if you have a team of lawyers working on it for you, but it doesn't guarantee you shit. There isn't literally "different rules for the rich". That's absurd.

They can be granted for a range of different reasons including some very valid ones - publishing may compromise another case, for instance. This has often been the case and still the media will roll out their usual shit about "high priced lawyers winning suppression orders for the wealthy!!"... when it's simply not the case and it is in place for a good reason.

A judge makes a call on it and judges are one profession where I'm relatively happy to say... they're not stupid. They're not going to be easily fooled even if there is a team of lawyers arguing for something. Judges are overwhelmingly ex-lawyers which works very well because they know all the bullshit arguments they pull.

If a suppression order isn't appropriate then generally a judge will deny it or have it lifted quickly. That's exactly what has happened in this case. The system worked fine.

Agree with most of this, but while the "money buys you justice!" thing is a simplistic soundbite, when push comes to shove if you don't have money, employing a team of the best lawyers in the country to even put together a case for a suppression in the first place wouldn't even occur to you as an option.

Money doesn't buy you justice, but it gives you options the rest of us don't have.

 

[RocketBooster]

Not surprising his mental health isn't the best after being found guilty at trial or rape.
He is not the victim here though

 

[marcmurphy3]

So, if you let your child face the consequences of their actions, you're not a decent parent? It's that kind parenting that simply encourages overreach by the child. I was a teacher once and the most difficult, entitled children usually lead back to parents who act like attack dogs when their little angles choices are questioned.

I think letting your child face the consequences of their actions is admirable. Though I also dont begrudge any parent trying to stop their kid going to jail. Its completely understandable.

Have no issue with the family standing by Tom. I personally hope SOS and JSOS dont cop it (even though they definately will). Tom on the otherhand hopefully gets whats coming to him.

 

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[Ace69]

What parents wouldn't try to support their son when in trouble?

and what parents has 2 teams 1 for the suppression orders and the other for his defense.
just having 1 team would be enough to send you and I broke!

 

[PP34]

So, if you let your child face the consequences of their actions, you're not a decent parent? It's that kind parenting that simply encourages overreach by the child. I was a teacher once and the most difficult, entitled children usually lead back to parents who act like attack dogs when their little angles choices are questioned.

Did they whisk him off into hiding or something?

They hired lawyers to defend him in court.

How’s that stopping him facing consequences? He’s going to jail isn’t he?

If I had a kid do something heinous I’d still provide some level of support. I wouldn’t just abandon them.

 

[Tadpole]

No means No !

"No" is also a complete sentence.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Going to be awkward come Round 1 when Dougal Howard

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is in at FB with the list manager assigned role of “protect my baby boy”

 

[CarmenSandiego]

I hope supporters don't equate his brothers crimes with him.

He’s gunna get boo’d for sure. It’ll suck.

 

[beside the seaside]

Going to be awkward come Round 1 when Dougal Howard is in at FB with the list manager assigned role of “protect my baby boy”

You're taking a really strange angle on this making it about the others in the family. The story is absolutely horrible, Tom's behaviour was atrocious and he is going to be going to jail for a very long time and basically destroyed his own life in a night through his own actions. That's without even mentioning the toll on the victim, good on her for having the guts to report it and see justice served.

Not sure AFL related point scoring is really called for but whatever floats your boat I guess.

 

[jpmelb7]

You're taking a really strange angle on this making it about the others in the family. The story is absolutely horrible, Tom's behaviour was atrocious and he is going to be going to jail for a very long time and basically destroyed his own life in a night through his own actions. That's without even mentioning the toll on the victim, good on her for having the guts to report it and see justice served.

Not sure AFL related point scoring is really called for but whatever floats your boat I guess.

Going to jail for a very long time? Not in Victoria!

 

[beside the seaside]

Going to jail for a very long time? Not in Victoria!

Oh yeah? I have absolutely no clue but assumed he'd go away for at least 10 years.

 

[TomsBulgingDisc]

They arent even rich. 100% its entitlement. Growing up believing you own everything you touch.

Sadly the penalty will be a slap on the wrist. And in 12 months he will be the victim.

When does he get a spot on CH7 comms team?

 

[Pacman82]

Great to hear the offender has finally been fingered

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I remember some speculating that Ben was the offender when this first came out. I'm glad for his sake that it's now public.

I wonder whether Jack's move was an effort to be closer to his Dad in the wake of what was happening in the background.

 

[TomsBulgingDisc]

What parents wouldn't try to support their son when in trouble?

They could better help him by allowing him to face the consequences of his actions. I'd wager that it's an attitude/values system that he hasn't seen much of during his upbringing, hence why he's been of the belief that he could Teflon his way through life and do as he pleases.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

You're taking a really strange angle on this making it about the others in the family. The story is absolutely horrible, Tom's behaviour was atrocious and he is going to be going to jail for a very long time and basically destroyed his own life in a night through his own actions. That's without even mentioning the toll on the victim, good on her for having the guts to report it and see justice served.

Not sure AFL related point scoring is really called for but whatever floats your boat I guess.

Stephen is an enabler. It should be all about Tom but then it isn’t.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

Silvagni’s lawyers pressed for the order to continue on the basis of their client’s mental ill health.

Ah, there it is. Mental Health. They bandy this around as if it's some kind of excuse.

 

[Munich]

So for those posters in Melbourne, was it common knowledge around the town it was him?

I'd heard it but I wouldn't say it was everywhere

 

[AndyWalkersGirl]

Sick to death of people doing the wrong thing and then playing the mental health card to either get out of it or to get some empathy from people.

He abused a girls trust and r*ped her. Imagine her poor mental health.

 

[AndyWalkersGirl]

I remember some speculating that Ben was the offender when this first came out. I'm glad for his sake that it's now public.

I wonder whether Jack's move was an effort to be closer to his Dad in the wake of what was happening in the background.

I posted this on another thread. I agree , I wonder if Jack changed clubs because of all of this

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

What a disgusting piece of shit he turned out to be

 

[DirtyLeeds]

I remember some speculating that Ben was the offender when this first came out. I'm glad for his sake that it's now public.

I wonder whether Jack's move was an effort to be closer to his Dad in the wake of what was happening in the background.

They were my exact thoughts that I posted three days ago until a mod deleted it! Didn't name anyone either, but 50% of Melbourne would have known who it was....
Circling the wagons was my take