Top 10 Key Position Forwards

[Lingsface]

Hawkins?

Laugh. My. *******. Arse. Off.

Hawkins is definitely in the running, an amazing career. 3 premierships 6 all Australians Coleman medal and the most consistent forward in the game also provides the most goal assists as well.

 

[bzparkes]

Hawkins is definitely in the running, an amazing career. 3 premierships 6 all Australians Coleman medal and the most consistent forward in the game also provides the most goal assists as well.

Top 20 maybe.

Absolutely not number 8.

 

[My_Username]

Hawkins is definitely in the running, an amazing career. 3 premierships 6 all Australians Coleman medal and the most consistent forward in the game also provides the most goal assists as well.

He's a good player, but he's not a "top 10 of the past ~50 years" good player.

 

[SSSSSS]

Cameron has kicked 531 goals from 211 games with 3 seasons of good footy he will be pushing the 700 goals off 260-270 games, he manages to help in so many areas up the ground as well and is definitely a contender for top 10 once his career has finished.
He is a Coleman medalist
Premiership player
Multiple all Australians
9 time club leading goal kicker
already.

Delusional.

Great player but I don't even think he cracks the top 20.

He is competing with legends of the game.

 

[blinkd]

You can't argue against the top 5 listed but IMO, Lloyd is better than the other 6-10 listed.
I would keep N.Riewoldt and also sneak in big Pav in too (bias included).
I would rate J.Browns best better than Modras - those 06-09 years he was special.
Personally, I wouldn't have Hawkins or Cameron near a top 10 list

 

[The_Wookie]

Youd think the top 4 or 5 would be a settled run

Ablett, Locket, Dunstall and Franklin all get top spots through recency or unintentional AFL/VFL bias. Coleman should be on any list.

Perhaps even more deserving than some is the likes of Peter Hudson (and years before him in Tasmania Alan Rait). From the West, Bernie Naylor, George Doig, Austin Robertson Jr. SA produced Ken Farmer.. Only Robertson and Hudson played any VFL.

 

[HalloweenJack]

Ted Tyson playing for West Perth kicked 1197 goals in 228 games at an average of 5.25 per game. He is never mentioned in these discussions.

 

[HairyO]

Ted Tyson playing for West Perth kicked 1197 goals in 228 games at an average of 5.25 per game. He is never mentioned in these discussions.

If he was any good he would have played VFL.

Hudson did all he did in the VFL and also managed to kick 600 goals in 80 games in Tassie.

Kicked nearly 300 goals in 50 games of SOO too.

 

[HalloweenJack]

If he was any good he would have played VFL.

Hudson did all he did in the VFL and also managed to kick 600 goals in 80 games in Tassie.

Kicked nearly 300 goals in 50 games of SOO too.

Ted Tyson played from 1930 to 1945. Playing in the VFL at that time was not a big deal.

Haydyn Bunton left the VFL after winning 3 Brownlow's to play in WA where he won 3 Sandover's (the equivalent fairest and best award). So the VFL was not the be all and end all competition. Learn your history.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

10- Tony Modra
Doesn’t have the runs on the board as much as others but his best was as good as it gets. When he was on would be one of the best ever to watch.

9- Stephen Kernahan
A great leader managed 700 plus goals often playing closer to chf as well, a champion footballer and sometimes underrated.

8- Tom Hawkins
About to pass Kernahan on the goals and is one of the most selfless forwards and has been the center pount around 10-12 years of great success. Consistently above 50 for countless years and a pleasure to watch.

7- Royce Hart
Know very little about this man but every time I hear someone who does talk about him, it’s like they are recalling a very fond time, a dream like sense he must of been a special player. A lot say other than Carey the best chf of all time.

6- Nick Reiwoldt
An amazing footballer to watch his work ethic and his ability to beat a player on the run back has changed the game and encouraged a different type of CHF to emerge in the AFL. Tough skill fill a freak athlete and a great leader.

5- Jason Dunstall
One dimensional but he was so good at it lead mark and kick a goal his stats alone are speaking to why he should be here.

4- Tony Lockett
Unstoppable and statistically he is number 1 a freak of nature and one of the most feared footballers of all time. Could be number 1 on a lot of lists and fair enough.

3- Lance Franklin
To do what he has done in this era is amazing he is like a Michael Jordan wearing the 23 6 foot 6 and does things people his size just aren’t supposed to be able to do. Has dropped jaws for decades now and has been a pleasure to watch undoubtedly the best forward in the last 25 years.

2- Wayne Carey
The man the strut the presence, he controlled games and took his team along for the ride so many times. Arrogant Strong and super skilful by foot, could build a team around him. Could walk into the locker room after a game and have 28 possesions 17 marks and 7 goals….yeah I’ll do it again next week.

1- Gary Ablett snr
Call me bias but there’s been no one like him, the things he did you still shake your head when you watch them. It was a literal one man show so many times if you asked supporters how the other 43 players in the game played they would say did he play today? The greatest showman and statistically some of his seasons are unbelievable averaging over 7 goals a game in a year…. Get f$&@ed.

Honourable mentions
Dermott
Lloydy
M Richardson
J Coleman
J Cameron
J Brown
M Blight

How the **** can the 7th most successful footballer in his family be the best key forward of the last 50 years? Ludicrous.

 

[_Mike_]

Bernie Quinlan would be in there

800+ goals, coleman medal x 2, brownlow medal

Mention of Kelvin Templeton - browlow medal, coleman medal. Unlucky to have been cut down by injury

 

[Atomboy]

Matthew Lloyd is always criminally underrated in these discussions.

926 goals at 3.5 a game.

Would have kicked 1,000 if Matthew Knights

Matthew Knights

Age

55

Ht

178cm

Wt

79kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.3

5star

K

12.0

4star

HB

9.3

5star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.2

4star

No current season stats available

D

18.4

5star

K

10.8

4star

HB

7.6

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.6

4star

hadn’t knee capped him.

Comfortably ahead of Hawkins for mine.

 

[Lingsface]

Matthew Lloyd is always criminally underrated in these discussions.

926 goals at 3.5 a game.

Would have kicked 1,000 if Matthew Knights hadn’t knee capped him.

Comfortably ahead of Hawkins for mine.

I would say he is one of the best forwards for sure, probably slide him in ahead of Modra. Hawkins has more to his game than Lloyd I think, brings his teammates into the game more and plays higher up the ground, will end up with 100 odd goals less but offers more in my opinion.

 

[melbun]

Coleman has to be number 1. Even if we are guessing how his career may have played out on statistical averages, what he achieved in 100 games will never be seen in any sport again.

Definitely have Hudson top 10 too.

Pratt is another freak who deserves a mention. Some still say he was every bit as good as Coleman.

Bob Pratt has to be in the top 10

 

[melbun]

It's old but good. I saw this.
Sign outside a Hawthorn church: "What would you do if Jesus came to Hawthorn?"

Someone wrote below this: "Move Peter Hudson to Centre Half Forward"

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

This has to be one where the comparisons across era's make it very very hard to do. Statistically, short of completely changing the game, no KPF is every going to get near the guys that played before 2000. Franklin may well be the last player to ever get to a 1000 goals and the fact he did it with all games after the year 2000 makes it special IMO.

With these rankings, you really probably to have completely segregate careers that started pre AFL and those that started after it - it just became a different game entirely very quickly as the professionalism increased

 

[Yoda_]

Matthew Lloyd is always criminally underrated in these discussions.

926 goals at 3.5 a game.

Would have kicked 1,000 if Matthew Knights

Matthew Knights

Age

55

Ht

178cm

Wt

79kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.3

5star

K

12.0

4star

HB

9.3

5star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.2

4star

No current season stats available

D

18.4

5star

K

10.8

4star

HB

7.6

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.6

4star

hadn’t knee capped him.

Comfortably ahead of Hawkins for mine.

May even be earlier in this thread but posted how dominant Lloyd was when he won his Coleman’s.

Dominant FF of the late 90’s early noughties


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[Bipolar Bear]

Hawkins has more to his game than Lloyd I think, brings his teammates into the game more and plays higher up the ground

Well, Lloyd doesn't play anymore, so that's currently true.
Matthew Lloyd is tiers above Hawkins. If Knights didn't shaft him, he'd have more goals than Buddy.

 

[Yoda_]

Well, Lloyd doesn't play anymore, so that's currently true.
Matthew Lloyd is tiers above Hawkins. If Knights didn't shaft him, he'd have more goals than Buddy.

yep, people fail to realise that the only reason Buddy has the goals tally he has is through the amount of games he's played.

averages 9th of the top 10 goal kickers of all time, only ahead of Leigh Matthews.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

How the * can the 7th most successful footballer in his family be the best key forward of the last 50 years? Ludicrous.

Maybe this will refresh your memory

 

[RichLeMonde]

Just from the AFL era, the following key forwards were clearly better than Hawkins:

• Lockett
• Ablett
• Dunstall
• Lloyd
• Carey
• C Grant
• Richardson
• N Riewoldt
• Pav
• Buddy
• Brown
• Hall
• Tredrea

From the AFL era, the following players are arguably better than Hawkins

• Loewe
• Kennedy
• J Riewoldt
• Nietz
• Cameron

VFL era, a few of the top of my head better than Hawkins include

• Pratt
• Coventry
• Coleman
• Quinlan
• McKenna
• Hudson
• Wade
• Titus
• Kernahan
• Hart
• Roach

So instead of 6, I’d say Hawkins would be about number 30.

Tanking him 6 makes this almost Bay-worthy

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Maybe this will refresh your memory

Touche.

Got vision of 5th rated Dunstall kicking 17 against the same team 7th most successful footballer in his family got a mere 14 against?

 

[nut]

No need to pay for the comedy channel when you can get high quality for free here.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Touche.

Got vision of 5th rated Dunstall kicking 17 against the same team 7th most successful footballer in his family got a mere 14 against?

14 isn't bad for a winger

 

[Meteoric Rise]

14 isn't bad for a winger

Did Robert Flower boot 14 as well?