Analysis Top five midfielders in the game right now

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Can't count Neale this season .

Then sub in Jack Macrae and still considerably better than the 5 suggested in the OP.

 

[Dave]

Haha bullshit

Some of his passing by foot and hands is amazing

Had you gone with Oliver I wouldn't have argued too much but with Petracca it's utter rubbish

haha bullshit.

Darcy Parish and Christian Petracca AFL Stats Comparison

Darcy Parish and Christian Petracca AFL Stats Comparison.

www.footywire.com

Parish 59 clangers from 481 disposals at 73.2% DE. 25 goals + goal assists. 116 score involvements. TOG 1219
Petracca 86 clangers from 423 disposals at 60.5% DE. 23 goals + goal assists. 117 score involvements. TOG 1345

Petracca has more clangers, worse DE, more turnovers, less intercepts, less clearances, less contested possessions, less goal & goal assists and 1 more score involvement from 126 more minutes of game time.

 

[Virgin Dog]

Beating West Cost in Perth no longer of note?

Not anymore. It seemed like a great win at the time (and to be fair, is still somewhat of an achievement) but in hindsight, West Coast have been utter garbage the last 6 weeks.

 

[Virgin Dog]

The talk of Parish's disposal being bad are nonsense. Go look at his thirteen turnovers from the weekend on the AFL app. 7 of them were kicks to advantage that the forwards did a horrible job with. Half of them Hooker got first hands to. Most of the others were handballs while being tackled. There we about 3 bad kicks in the bunch.

To be fair, that sums up most of the clangers attributed to a lot of the better midfielders. Dusty and Bont are right up the top of the clangers list, yet are two of the best users in the game. It's a very misleading stat in general

 

[Dave]

Not anymore. It seemed like a great win at the time (and to be fair, is still somewhat of an achievement) but in hindsight, West Coast have been utter garbage the last 6 weeks.

But were they at the time? They beat Richmond the week after, and to that point hadn't lost in Perth.

 

[HBFlanker]

Bont
Wines
Cunnington
Petracca
Steele

 

[Virgin Dog]

But were they at the time? They beat Richmond the week after, and to that point hadn't lost in Perth.

Yeah that's fair enough - who knows when the switch flipped for them (or even Richmond for that matter). I'll give them that - the Eagles were a good win. The rest of the wins came against lower sides so I'd say Essendon are still a fair way from finals. Nothing wrong with that - they've rejuvenated the list with a bunch of draftees and look to be entering a rebuild phase for the next couple of years. It's a good move for the club to make, and it looks to be going well so far, I just wish the media wouldn't pretend like they're a finals threat when I doubt even the club thinks that right now

 

[00Stinger]

haha bullshit.

Darcy Parish and Christian Petracca AFL Stats Comparison

Darcy Parish and Christian Petracca AFL Stats Comparison.

www.footywire.com

Parish 59 clangers from 481 disposals at 73.2% DE. 25 goals + goal assists. 116 score involvements. TOG 1219
Petracca 86 clangers from 423 disposals at 60.5% DE. 23 goals + goal assists. 117 score involvements. TOG 1345

Petracca has more clangers, worse DE, more turnovers, less intercepts, less clearances, less contested possessions, less goal & goal assists and 1 more score involvement from 126 more minutes of game time.

lol. Look at the game v Essendon and you will see the difference between the 2. Parish racked up 40 odd touches with little effect on the game, alot of safe ineffective passes which helps inflate his DE%

Petracca had less possessions but hit the scoreboard and directly contributed to us winning

The top line players like Martin, Bont & Petracca have a lowe DE% as they rarly give the stat padding little 2m handball instead going for the game breaking passes and plays that few others can do

And seriously what the **** does Parish have to do with my comments? Are you trying to bring him into the discussion to make him seem like the better player than Petracca?

 

[Dave]

Yeah that's fair enough - who knows when the switch flipped for them (or even Richmond for that matter). I'll give them that - the Eagles were a good win. The rest of the wins came against lower sides so I'd say Essendon are still a fair way from finals. Nothing wrong with that - they've rejuvenated the list with a bunch of draftees and look to be entering a rebuild phase for the next couple of years. It's a good move for the club to make, and it looks to be going well so far, I just wish the media wouldn't pretend like they're a finals threat when I doubt even the club thinks that right now

Agreed, we are a ways off. Against the ten teams above us we've played we're 3-7. Admittedly two of those could have gone the other way, but in any event we haven't done the business against teams in the hunt.

 

[Dave]

lol. Look at the game v Essendon and you will see the difference between the 2. Parish racked up 40 odd touches with little effect on the game, alot of safe ineffective passes which helps inflate his DE%

ineffective passes inflate DE% now do they? lol.
Parish, 29 effective disposals @78.4 DE with 8 score involvements, Petracca 11 effective disposals @ 42.3 and 8 score involvements.
It's almost like a game between two teams hinges on more than two individual player performances.

The top line players like Martin, Bont & Petracca have a lowe DE% as they rarly give the stst padding little 2m handball instead going for the game breaking pases and plays that few others can do

Stat padding, lol. Parish has had 6 less kicks than Petracca, 100 more effective disposals, more goal assists and 1 less score involvement.

And seriously what the fu** does Parish have to do with my comments?

You literally replied to a comment about Parish burning the ball less than Petracca:

Petracca burns the footy more than Darcy and people froth over the Big Dee something shocking.

with "haha bullshit" and "Utter Rubbish".

Clearly it isn't.

Jog on.

 

[KissKiss]

Love Miller and would have him top 10 and probably AA. Lyons isn’t quite at that elite level.

I'd say that all of Neale, McCluggage and Zorko are more talented and have had bigger highs than Lyons. But they have all had a lot more down games (injury, suspensions, form, etc). Lyons has been far and away our most consistent and probably best mid this year. He's the one who feeds it out for the others to do the damage with

 

[00Stinger]

ineffective passes inflate DE% now do they? lol.

Parish, 29 effective disposals @78.4 DE with 8 score involvements, Petracca 11 effective disposals @ 42.3 and 8 score involvements.

Ineffective as in the cheap little sideways 2m handball that increases DE% but has no damaging effect on the game rather than trying to truly break open the play and be damaging which Petracca does game after game

It's almost like a game between two teams hinges on more than two individual player performances.

Well you Essendon supporters come in to all of the threads after each games throwing around possession stats for your midfielders. The AA thread was smashed with Parish stats being walked out like he had some monster game v us. Yet even you coach couldn't find room in the 5 best players for him, which goes to show you your stats mean very little

Stat padding, lol. Parish has had 6 less kicks than Petracca, 100 more effective disposals, more goal assists and 1 less score involvement.



You literally replied to a comment about Parish burning the ball less than Petracca:



with "haha bullshit" and "Utter Rubbish".

Clearly it isn't.

Jog on.

DE% is rubbish. Are th 10 3m handballs to players under pressure as valuable as 6 out of 10 game breaking attempted passes? No chance


So once again are you trying to justify and endorse Parish as the batter and more damaging player over Petracca?

 

[Chopperdave]

Damaging =/= disposal efficiency/clanger count.

Petracca is far more damaging but he is also far more prone to clangers because he often takes on the tough kick like a 50m ball into the corridor. Same with Bont and Martin. While they make mistakes trying these when they pull it off it will almost always lead to a clear scoring opportunity.

Parish is far more safe with his disposal which is not to say he is "Bad" he just isn't as "Damaging"

 

[Dave]

Ineffective as in the cheap little sideways 2m handball that increases DE% but has no damaging effect on the game rather than trying to truly break open the play and be damaging which Petracca does game after game

They have the same number of score involvements, Petracca doesn't break the game open any more than Parish.

Well you Essendon supporters come in to all of the threads after each games throwing around possession stats for your midfielders. The AA thread was smashed with Parish stats being walked out like he had some monster game v us.

Strawman. I don't come into all the threads after every game and didn't make any statement about Parish's game against Melbourne.

Yet even you coach couldn't find room in the 5 best players for him, which goes to show you your stats mean very little

One of them also couldn't find room for Petracca.

DE% is rubbish. Are th 10 3m handballs to players under pressure as valuable as 6 out of 10 game breaking attempted passes? No chance

Who determines what's a game breaking pass? Would it be say, a score involvement? A goal assist?

So once again are you trying to justify and endorse Parish as the batter and more damaging player over Petracca?

Ah, so we've gone from Petracca doesn't burn the ball more than Parish to who is the more damaging player? The AFL coaches, you know the one's you referred to above, seem to think he is:

AFLCA Champion Player of the Year - AFL Coaches Association Awards - AFL Coaches Association

aflcoaches.com.au

Parish 63. Petracca 43. Apparently these mean more than stats.

What are you going to move the goalposts to now?

 

[Dave]

Parish is far more safe with his disposal which is not to say he is "Bad" he just isn't as "Damaging"

Yet he has the same number of score involvements., and more goal assists.

 

[Barnzy]

1. Bont


2. Macrae
3. Parish
4. Oliver
5. Steele/Touk

Close: Lyons, Walsh, Zerrett, Tracc

Common theme amongst these top players is the lack of scoreboard impact and goals. That's what seperates Bont. That's what seperates Dusty in finals at his best. That's what seperated Fyfe at his peak and Danger. Same with GAJ.

This new group isn't in that tier...yet.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

To be fair, that sums up most of the clangers attributed to a lot of the better midfielders. Dusty and Bont are right up the top of the clangers list, yet are two of the best users in the game. It's a very misleading stat in general

True. I never knew the make up of the stat before. How is it a turnover if your team mate touches it first? Should that stat not belong to the team mate who failed to possess cleanly?

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

I would like some clarification. Are we talking about mids over their entire careers so far and this season, or just this season's body of work?

If its the later, probably Parish over Petracca yes, but overall Trac has the runs on the board.

Walsh is debatable being in the top 5, but he is just so damn consistent. Him having a quiet/poor game is as rare as hen's teeth.
Cannot remember a more impressive first 50 games from a young Carlton player.

 

[Barnzy]

I'd say that all of Neale, McCluggage and Zorko are more talented and have had bigger highs than Lyons. But they have all had a lot more down games (injury, suspensions, form, etc). Lyons has been far and away our most consistent and probably best mid this year. He's the one who feeds it out for the others to do the damage with

Lyons has been awesome this year and for awhile to be honest.

When I am watching him I don't see him a huge difference between him and Neale. He is like a slightly worse Neale without the hype.

Both are limited athletes but super hard workers, tough, smart and clean.

 

[g_TRAIN]

1. Bont


2. Macrae
3. Parish
4. Oliver
5. Steele/Touk

Close: Lyons, Walsh, Zerrett, Tracc

Common theme amongst these top players is the lack of scoreboard impact and goals. That's what seperates Bont. That's what seperates Dusty in finals at his best. That's what seperated Fyfe at his peak and Danger. Same with GAJ.

This new group isn't in that tier...yet.

Agreed. It's the scoreboard that impact the separates.

Petracca is one that does have this but he's dropped off the pack a little in his midfield production numbers, he will probably end up being selected as AA on HFF because of this.

 

[00Stinger]

They have the same number of score involvements, Petracca doesn't break the game open any more than Parish.



Strawman. I don't come into all the threads after every game and didn't make any statement about Parish's game against Melbourne.



One of them also couldn't find room for Petracca.



Who determines what's a game breaking pass? Would it be say, a score involvement? A goal assist?



Ah, so we've gone from Petracca doesn't burn the ball more than Parish to who is the more damaging player? The AFL coaches, you know the one's you referred to above, seem to think he is:

AFLCA Champion Player of the Year - AFL Coaches Association Awards - AFL Coaches Association

aflcoaches.com.au

Parish 63. Petracca 43. Apparently these mean more than stats.

What are you going to move the goalposts to now?

No, I said Petracca doesn't burn the ball all the time like you originally said. I made NO mention of Parish

I can't really be bothered arguing anymore with you but I can assure you that if all 18 coaches had the pick between the two they aren't picking Parish

And tbf I don't know why you keep on going on with this shit when if you read through the thread I have been complimentary of Parish

 

[00Stinger]

Agreed. It's the scoreboard that impact the separates.

Petracca is one that does have this but he's dropped off the pack a little in his midfield production numbers, he will probably end up being selected as AA on HFF because of this.

He has been spending a lot more time forward over the last month or so

 

[Dave]

No, I said Petracca doesn't burn the ball all the time like you originally said. I made NO mention of Parish

It wasn't my quote, and it didn't say Petracca burned the ball all the time, so that's zero for two. The initial comment, by another poster, said he burned it *more* than Parish, to which you replied "Bullshit", implying he burned it *less* than Parish.

I can't really be bothered arguing anymore with you but I can assure you that if all 18 coaches had the pick between the two they aren't picking Parish

The coaches themselves disagree with you based on their voting so far, but hey, you do you.

And tbf I don't know why you keep on going on with this sh*t when if you read through the thread I have been complimentary of Parish

Where have I said you haven't been complimentary of him? It's a discussion forum. Don't like discussion, don't post. I'd have Petracca in a heart beat, but that doesn't change the fact that he burns the ball more than Parish.

 

[conrad_437]

Ah, coaches votes. The be all and end all of any player debate…

 

[Baird]

Bontemsmelli
Oliver
Walsh
Parish
Wines