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[Pannalstaroz]

And Talia is a poor footballer. As I've said ad nauseam, he has all the skills, but as bad a football brain as there is. I've said it before but I live the way Bont, Stringer, Grant, Caleb etc think about football; I can see what they're trying to achieve when they have the ball. I literally have no idea what Talia is trying to a hive when he has the ball. When he's one on one he shits himself, when playing loose he has no idea where to position himself, he's just a poor player.

At the risk of sounding like an utter flog and tool, I don't misjudge players very often and I know I've got Talia pegged.

 

[BRWB]

Agree 100%. So is it confidence or is he just a poor decision maker. At least today he didn't lose his feet and scrag his opponent which is an improvement over his other games. He is slowly improving but at this point in time he scares me when he has the ball.

Scares me when a high ball arrives, not confident in his ability to kill the ball. I do however think he can intercept but that is only one facet of defending.

 

[VogonProsthetnic]

I'm not saying delist Biggs or anything like that but he is a depth player, in every sense of the term. He is not a best 18 player, but he could well play 6-10 games a year when there's injuries and carve out a great little 6 year, $1.5m - $2m career for himself. But he's not a great player.

He's well ahead of Webb and Dale ATM and has a improvement in the next 1-2 seasons. He will need to keep improving as our depth is going to be awesome by then

 

[VogonProsthetnic]

Scares me when a high ball arrives, not confident in his ability to kill the ball. I do however think he can intercept but that is only one facet of defending.

He has only played 20 or so games and plays on the no 1 forwards. Roberts and Hambling look ordinary one on one as well. They all need experience and time

 

[Pannalstaroz]

He's well ahead of Webb and Dale ATM and has a improvement in the next 1-2 seasons. He will need to keep improving as our depth is going to be awesome by then

He's also 24, not 18 so he'd want to be in front of them.

The more I watch Dale, the more I like him. He's a smart player who's smooth, well skilled and athletic. I suspect he's going to be a very important player in the future, along with all our players.

Our depth is frightening.

 

[BRWB]

And Talia is a poor footballer. As I've said ad nauseam, he has all the skills, but as bad a football brain as there is. I've said it before but I live the way Bont, Stringer, Grant, Caleb etc think about football; I can see what they're trying to achieve when they have the ball. I literally have no idea what Talia is trying to a hive when he has the ball. When he's one on one he shits himself, when playing loose he has no idea where to position himself, he's just a poor player.

At the risk of sounding like an utter flog and tool, I don't misjudge players very often and I know I've got Talia pegged.

As a confirmed non fan of Talia even I think that is a wee bit harsh

However, with Talia still not having re-signed, the likelihood he will be dropped for Roberts/Rough come finals, and with an excellent Cordy (not oxymoronic) waiting in the wings - my strong feeling is that Talia will elect to go to another club come season's end.

 

[Pannalstaroz]

As a confirmed non fan of Talia even I think that is a wee bit harsh

However, with Talia still not having re-signed, the likelihood he will be dropped for Roberts/Rough come finals, and with an excellent Cordy (not oxymoronic) waiting in the wings - my strong feeling is that Talia will elect to go to another club come season's end.

Probably. Last time I spoke to Dally he said the club expected him to re-sign, but I don't care either way.

It probably was harsh, but he seriously frustrates the shit out of me. I mean seriously, the free kick against Gawn was right in front of me and my group and I laughed as soon as I saw the ball go in because he literally had no idea what to do, so he turned away from the ball and scragged him. Make him farking mark it, don't gift him a goal. God it was pathetic.

 

[Fan853]

Biggs averaging 81% disposal efficiency.

 

[Igloo]

Takes the easy option all the time. I thought he was better last week but poor today. But it'll be hard to drop anyone out of a 100 point win.

Wow, strongly disagree with that. Since he's been back in the side he's taken a lot of risky kicks. Especially ones back into the middle of the ground in a dangerous position which he's nailed which allowed us to access the whole ground.

Obviously he's a far from proven prospect, but you're just wayyyyy off the mark with that one, imo.

 

[Pannalstaroz]

Biggs averaging 81% disposal efficiency.

So he should if he kicks 30m kicks

 

[Pannalstaroz]

Wow, strongly disagree with that. Since he's been back in the side he's taken a lot of risky kicks. Especially ones back into the middle of the ground in a dangerous position which he's nailed which allowed us to access the whole ground.

Obviously he's a far from proven prospect, but you're just wayyyyy off the mark with that one, imo.

i disagree

 

[Dav1d]

Talia got 22 disposals, so he evidently knows how to get to the right spots
& more often than not he done the right things, but it's easier to remember those poor things that he done
I remember that I was critical of a missed tackle from another player & that is mostly what I remember about that players game

turns out that had played a terrific game, so it's something I noticed that I do & I am certain that others will do it to

I thought Talia was reasonable, certainly not a superstar standard; but decent

 

[Pannalstaroz]

Btw the way I don't dislike Biggs. I don't want to get rid of him, I just think we have better alternatives to him on our list, but I think he could be a good 25-28 list player, ie he'd be the one who comes in when there's a small defender injury etc

 

[pappy]

agree with Panna. Next year McLean and Webb will go past him.

 

[Fan853]

So he should if he kicks 30m kicks

571 metres gained last week and pretty sure over 500 metres gained again this week. Averaging 20+ disposal and seems to be good defensively Ono on one. Think he best 22 at moment

 

[Some Idiot]

So he should if he kicks 30m kicks

He does kick short a bit, but not all short kicks are safe. Looks to go through the middle.

 

[Pannalstaroz]

I'm going to take photos of the TV every time Talia does something that frustrates me. You can then judge whether I'm being overly harsh or not.

This is the first one:

High ball in, everyone does a great job of keeping their man away from the ball to give big Tom an uncontested mark. That is, until Michael flies in from the left to spoil him. I mean, seriously, you can't be that unaware of what's going on, can you? He did a better defensive forward role than the Melbourne players in this instance.

 

[doggies ftw]

Hold on a second here... Which player is Biggs again? The way he is being spoken about here is literally completely opposite to what I've been watching.

I wasn't a huge fan early but in the last few weeks all I've seen is a high production player who is constantly driving us out of defence, mopping up peoples errors and taking the game on with only the odd turnover, which I'll quite happily take to see him continue to take risky options. He just so happens to be a great size and actually surpisingly very dependable in a one on one, and he's been caught in heaps of those situations and they're mostly against much bigger opponents. I actually can not fault him over the last few weeks, I thought he was depth but geez he has locked up his spot well and truly now IMO. Its his spot to lose.

 

[1961grandfinal]

Probably. Last time I spoke to Dally he said the club expected him to re-sign, but I don't care either way.

It probably was harsh, but he seriously frustrates the shit out of me. I mean seriously, the free kick against Gawn was right in front of me and my group and I laughed as soon as I saw the ball go in because he literally had no idea what to do, so he turned away from the ball and scragged him. Make him farking mark it, don't gift him a goal. God it was pathetic.

God you are harsh, are you Macca , no wonder you never played Talia.

So he was in front and had to defend a high ball into a 211cm opponent, he bodied him but turned late and got freed for not keeping his eyes on the ball. Most defenders would struggle in that situation against a giant. Lake often holds his opponents but he has had years to perfect it and Talia has played about 30 games.

 

[Pannalstaroz]

God you are harsh, are you Macca , no wonder you never played Talia.

So he was in front and had to defend a high ball into a 211cm opponent, he bodied him but turned late and got freed for not keeping his eyes on the ball. Most defenders would struggle in that situation against a giant. Lake often holds his opponents but he has had years to perfect it and Talia has played about 30 games.

You don't have to agree with me, it's cool, I'm ok with it. Put it this way, I knew 3 seconds before it happened what was going to happen because he panics under pressure and immediately holds his opponent. If he makes it, which part of me hopes, he has to stop engaging so blatantly before the ball is in his vicinity.

 

[Yojimbo]

Pann is just trying to deflect attention from Jarrad Grant who
yet again looked to tear a game apart in the first quarter only
to finish the game on the same number of goals. At least the
coach is playing him on the wing, even though he won't win
the Brownlow. You are entitled to your opinion Pann we all
want the same thing in the end, but we can't all have the all
seeing eye.

 

[bobby2]

I'm going to take photos of the TV every time Talia does something that frustrates me. You can then judge whether I'm being overly harsh or not.

This is the first one:

High ball in, everyone does a great job of keeping their man away from the ball to give big Tom an uncontested mark. That is, until Michael flies in from the left to spoil him. I mean, seriously, you can't be that unaware of what's going on, can you? He did a better defensive forward role than the Melbourne players in this instance.
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Talia's game-smarts worry me too, but I think you've got a fair bit of confirmation bias going on here. Before you watch Talia, you've already decided that he is going to make errors. Then, you specifically search for his errors and not for the good things he does. Do this with any player and you'll severely underrate him.

Just for a bit of perspective, my old man isn't really a fan of your boy (and my boy- I love him) Jarrad Grant, because whenever he sees Grant, he looks for the errors in the same way you do with Talia- this originated from when grant was actually playing poor footy early in his career. At one stage today, Grant could've taken an easy uncontested mark on defensive 50 or left the ball for hamling behind him, but instead he knocked the ball down to a waiting melbourne player. My dad started going on about grant's decision making and awareness, and seemingly forgot about how good the vast majority of his game was today.

I think there's a certain poster on here who holds similar views about dickson and jong, and couldn't even rate dickson's 7 goal game against freo, because he only looks for the bad things in their games once he decides they are bad players. Try watching Talia as you would watch any other player, and you'll start seeing him as a better player than you currently see him.

I also think you're being very harsh on him in that contest against gawn. He was giving away about 15cm, and the ball was clearly to gawn's advantage. Gawn would've been able to jump for it if Talia hadn't infringed, and there was no way Talia (or any key-defender I can think of) could've outreached gawn for the ball. The only way he could stop gawn from marking was by making front-on contact with him (or just shirking the contest completely and hoping for gawn to drop it). In a game where a lot of free kicks went unpaid (see dunn running into redpath front-on in the first quarter in a similar fashion), Talia's actions were not unreasonable.

 

[TMoney22]

Yep I can't believe some of the crud I'm reading. Think of all the whipping boys over the years, i'd have a young Talia, Darley, Biggs etc over them any day.
Perspective people, where was all this talk over the last few weeks when Talia and Darley have been playing ok.

 

[Dav1d]

I'm going to take photos of the TV every time Talia does something that frustrates me. You can then judge whether I'm being overly harsh or not.

This is the first one:

High ball in, everyone does a great job of keeping their man away from the ball to give big Tom an uncontested mark. That is, until Michael flies in from the left to spoil him. I mean, seriously, you can't be that unaware of what's going on, can you? He did a better defensive forward role than the Melbourne players in this instance.
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Okay
I'll give you that one, but he isn't the only one guilty of doing that
I've seen Murphy & Wood do it to & we all know how everyone feels about them

 

[LukasTheGreat]

I miss McLean