Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 4 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Mutt]

This year we've signalled we might play a little differently, so a future first for a player + 2021 picks (matching Darcy bid) might be in play.
I expect the Pies to play hardball over Lipinski and won't give us a future 2nd. With North chasing both CCJ & Kreuger, Collingwood's PSD threat is real and they need to save face after last years' disaster of a trade period.

The new list management team at Collingwood can't afford to be seen by their stakeholders as weak. We won't have an easy negotiation with the Pies over Lipinski and we won't get a second round selection from Collingwood for him...but Sam is right to start the conversation at a second rounder.

 

[Barking Mad]

And then a picture of Ladhams being tackled by a Dogs player. Am I reading into it too much?

No you were looking at a picture. No reading involved

 

[adogsfan5]

Saints have Marshall, Ryder, Hunter and a rookie ruck. Why would they be going for Ladhams?

 

[Doggy]

Saints have Marshall, Ryder, Hunter and a rookie ruck. Why would they be going for Ladhams?

Can't develop their own

 

[Testekill]

North poster was saying that his lateral movement is almost totally gone. Can't see him making at AFL level if that is the case

If that's so then that's a pass. It's a shame because he has a ton of talent but just taken down by injuries.

 

[Virgin Dog]

Saints have Marshall, Ryder, Hunter and a rookie ruck. Why would they be going for Ladhams?

Hunter will probably be delisted, Ryder should be retiring by end of next year. I guess they're wanting Marshall + Ladhams as the long term pairing?

 

[go the dogs]

I feel richmond could be a team that would want our pick 17. They have a strong hand with 7 15 26 28 40 44 chol compo and CCJ pick. They won't use them all so will want better picks.
What we think about 17 & 72 ( they trade that for tarrant) for 28 44 and say the chol compo pick.

 

[doggiesin08]

I’d be happy to do our current first with points coming back. It won’t be additional or even equal points coming back our way but would allow Port to get a decent pick for him, and us to salvage a few points out of the deal.

I’m not the slightest bit concerned about having enough points for Darcy. Should be fairly straightforward to trade futures into this year, even as late as draft night. And then next year, we can trade 2023 picks into 2022 if we feel the need. You can just perpetually trade forward future picks if you need to. Even in the worst case scenario we go into deficit, just trade our future first for a couple of seconds. The deficit comes off our first available pick, if we don’t have a first it will just come off the earliest second we hold. There’s so many paths we can go down and all of them lead to drafting Darcy

How far can you push this out (what happens if you don't have enough points the following year to pay the deficit) and are there still limits on not being able to trade both a future first and future second?

Not saying it would be accepted but you'd love to trade our Pick #17 + 2022 1st rounder + 2022 2nd rounder + Lipinski for [Grundy / Moore]. Finish on top next year those picks are approx. #17 + #18 (2022) + #36 (2022) which on the points index is pick #3. Finish 2nd again and its the equivalent of pick #2. Only becomes more than pick #1 if we were to miss the 8. Am I wrong in thinking of that as essentially:

• Points worth pick #3 for Sam Darcy (who is around pick #3); plus
• Lipinski and wiping out our 3rd and 4th rounders next year for [Grundy / Moore]?

 

[Jeff 1975]

"Pick 72 Western Bulldogs"

"Player number 2367458934, Barry Round, retiree, Gold Coast LGA"

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This guy ticks all the boxes too - Retired, Over 30, Prone to injury




I think I'd prefer Bazza

 

[Virgin Dog]

I feel richmond could be a team that would want our pick 17. They have a strong hand with 7 15 26 28 40 44 chol compo and CCJ pick. They won't use them all so will want better picks.
What we think about 17 & 72 ( they trade that for tarrant) for 28 44 and say the chol compo pick.

I agree. Another option, if we use our 1st in a player trade or with another club, is to give our future 2nd in return for a few of their third rounders

 

[Mofra]

Saints have Marshall, Ryder, Hunter and a rookie ruck. Why would they be going for Ladhams?

Hunter is terrible and Ryder is 57

 

[inflames1919]

This guy ticks all the boxes too - Retired, Over 30, Prone to injury

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I think I'd prefer Bazza

Perfect pickup for Geelong

 

[Mr. Walker]

Ladhams makes so much sense. We don’t need a dominant ruck, we just need someone who won’t get dominated. He’s very good around the ground.

Ladhams/English locked away for the next decade sets us up so well.

There has been some discussion about “off field issues” with Ladhams “. You don’t believe that, see it as minor and fixable or not concerned? I desperately want a ruck too but have concerns about team harmony.

 

[Dogs Rule]

Saints have Marshall, Ryder, Hunter and a rookie ruck. Why would they be going for Ladhams?

Because they're hopeless (St Kilda).

 

[Jeff 1975]

Surely Goldstein makes the most sense of anyone in the league.

The bloke isn’t winning a flag at North and our midfield is ready now.

One of those ones that makes too much sense it won’t happen.

Agree
Goldstein was mentioned last year, he is a no brainer in my opinion
It was a real sliding doors moment this year - if only we had a competitive ruckman - Top spot, Premiership, Charlie

 

[VitalDread]

Odd that North are interested in trading Pick 1

God, imagine the outrage if Power worked his magic and got pick 1 plus Darcy

 

[Dogs Rule]

Odd that North are interested in trading Pick 1

God, imagine the outrage if Power worked his magic and got pick 1 plus Darcy

The main board:



They would also probably blame the umpires though...

 

[Bald]

Odd that North are interested in trading Pick 1

God, imagine the outrage if Power worked his magic and got pick 1 plus Darcy

Would cost one of Marcus Bontempelli, Aaron Naughton or Bailey Smith. Don't know I'd want to lose any of them for pick 1.

 

[Northernsoul74]

Odd that North are interested in trading Pick 1

God, imagine the outrage if Power worked his magic and got pick 1 plus Darcy

I think there is a suggestion that they want Callaghan and maybe not Horne-Francis.
Edit: just read the article. Sounds like the standard we’ll listen to any offers yet very unlikely to trade it.

 

[footscray1973]

If only Ned Guy was still around. Sam Power

Sam Power

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42

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would turn Lipinski into Darcy Moore

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Darcy Moore

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13.9

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7.3

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6.6

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87.4

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. Or the new Daicos. Or both!

"This is the mid you're looking for. Now give me your CHB and I won't burn your eyes out with my blue steel."

 

[doggies ftw]

**** it Goldy makes a lot of sense, come win a flag. I’d give up a good pick - we’ve seen once again how hard premierships are to win this is as good an opportunity as we’ll literally ever have.

 

[VitalDread]

Would cost one of Marcus Bontempelli, Aaron Naughton or Bailey Smith. Don't know I'd want to lose any of them for pick 1.

Surely we can package Lipinski and Young for Pick 1

 

[Virgin Dog]

Surely we can package Lipinski and Young for Pick 1

Wayne Carey likes this

 

[TBOW]

A few people have expressed concern at Young looking for opportunities at another club, but looking at our current list situation I think that may be forced rather than by choice.

With the Father Son/NGA rules reverting back to having to match with picks equal to open list spots, we are going to need to free up a minimum of 4 list spots to match for Darcy. This would require the equivalent of 4 late second and early third round picks assuming a bid in the top 3. If we could free up 5 list spots that would make things easier as we would then likely require 5 early to mid third round picks.

We had one empty spot on the list this year with 5 rookie players instead, so with Cavarra leaving we can roll that spot back to the primary list for bid matching purposes. Jong retiring and Lipinski going will make it 3 and you would think that Hayes will go to make it 4.

If we want to get to 5 available list spots we will need to free up another spot which you would think we could do by delisting Martin and drafting him back onto the rookie list.

If we want to bring in any players through trade or free agency, we will have to free up more additional spots. This means trading Wallis or Young (who are without contracts), or another contracted player.

You would think we will be bringing in another ruck which is probably why Young is looking elsewhere, and if we wanted to bring in an additional key defender as has also been mooted that would likely force Wallis out also.

We are in a position that I imagine Bevo would describe as “list managing in a phone box”.

My hunch is that Young and Wallis have been told that they will be delisted and redrafted or rookied which opens them up to being drafted by another club.

I would think that given Wallis' age and standing in the game a club would not draft him without his consent, but in Youngs case I could see it happening. With that being a possibility, Young has been told to explore other opportunities and if another arises, we would look to facilitate an amicable trade to get him to whichever club is interested rather than putting them through the draft.

Based on this a guess at our outs and ins (with no inside knowledge of any kind) is something like:

Out: Lipinski, Jong, Hayes, Cavarra (r), Martin, Young, Wallis (with an agreement to re-draft)

In: Ceglar, O’Brien (FA) Draft: Darcy, draft pick, late pick or rookie upgrade Rookie draft: Wallis, Martin

 

[VitalDread]

A few people have expressed concern at Young looking for opportunities at another club, but looking at our current list situation I think that may be forced rather than by choice.

With the Father Son/NGA rules reverting back to having to match with picks equal to open list spots, we are going to need to free up a minimum of 4 list spots to match for Darcy. This would require the equivalent of 4 late second and early third round picks assuming a bid in the top 3. If we could free up 5 list spots that would make things easier as we would then likely require 5 early to mid third round picks.

We had one empty spot on the list this year with 5 rookie players instead, so with Cavarra leaving we can roll that spot back to the primary list for bid matching purposes. Jong retiring and Lipinski going will make it 3 and you would think that Hayes will go to make it 4.

If we want to get to 5 available list spots we will need to free up another spot which you would think we could do by delisting Martin and drafting him back onto the rookie list.

If we want to bring in any players through trade or free agency, we will have to free up more additional spots. This means trading Wallis or Young (who are without contracts), or another contracted player.

You would think we will be bringing in another ruck which is probably why Young is looking elsewhere, and if we wanted to bring in an additional key defender as has also been mooted that would likely force Wallis out also.

We are in a position that I imagine Bevo would describe as “list managing in a phone box”.

My hunch is that Young and Wallis have been told that they will be delisted and redrafted or rookied which opens them up to being drafted by another club.

I would think that given Wallaces age and standing in the game a club would not draft him without his consent, but in Youngs case I could see it happening. With that being a possibility, Young has been told to explore other opportunities and if another arises, we would look to facilitate an amicable trade to get him to whichever club is interested rather than putting them through the draft.

Based on this a guess at our outs and ins (with no inside knowledge of any kind) is something like:

Out: Lipinski, Jong, Hayes, Cavarra (r), Martin, Young, Wallace (with an agreement to re-draft)

In: Ceglar, O’Brien (FA) Draft: Darcy, draft pick, late pick or rookie upgrade Rookie draft: Wallace, Martin

Its Wallis