Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 5 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

One on one % stats in our backline are a waste of time, they don’t tell you anything considering the way our defence sets up - any ‘one on one’ our defenders get is actually being caught out of position and trying to make up ground to get back. Put Ed in a real one on one contest and he shits all over Daniel, Dale, Croz & Hannan - so I wouldn’t even give those stats time of day to be honest.

Plus he’s playing an offensive role so of course his stats are going to lean that way, if we had him focusing on a defensive role locking down a player then his stats would tend to lean more that way (ie pressure acts etc, which in itself is a useless stat for defenders)

Can pull whatever stats you want out but I’m still way more confident in Ed in a defensive contest than literally any other defender on our list bar Doc. By a mile. Of course we’re going to try to utilise his aerial & offensive ability more though as that’s where he shines

Sure, but that applies for Dale, Hannan, Croz, and Duryea as well and yet they are consistently better at it. I acknowledge what you're saying which is why I used our players as a benchmark rather than other players in the league.

Anyway, the stats are there to support my eye test rather than an argument in and of themselves. It seems your eye tells you something different which is fine.

Ok we're probably closer in our views than first thought from your original post. He's above average on a bunch of measures, average and below average on others. Overall you think he's a marginal net positive defending a man (at best) and I think he's a clear net positive. I also think he's improved a lot as the year has gone on so his full year averages probably understate the level he's at now.

I guess my main issue was the suggestion that Richards contributes to a backline that "leaks like a sieve" where in my view:

• Richards reduces the degree to which the backline leaks like a sieve, and also offers a lot offensively
• Dale increases the degree to which the backline leaks like a sieve, however his offensive contribution makes up for it
• Daniel increases the degree to which the backline leaks like a sieve, and I'm not convinced his offensive contribution makes up for it

I'm also keen on moving Daniel out of the backline, just for me the defensive limitations on Richards part has nothing to do with it.

I take your point. I think I see it less as Richards contributing to the problem, and more that if we want Dale and Daniel to work as a pairing we need some exceptional defensive-minded players around them, and I'm not sure Richards is quite good enough to make it work. Perhaps bundling him in together wasn't effective - but my point was essentially that our current small setup weighs far too strongly towards offence for us to defend well.

 

[Chops]

Frequently overrunning the ball is pretty fundamental and no a "so what" issue in assessing young players. Hopefully it is all just to do with lack of confidence in his size and improves as he develops better core strength.

What signs from his VFL form do you see as promising other than his ability to run fast? I don't agree that Bedendo was further away at the same stage. He also came in very underdeveloped but his first year at VFL level was definitely statistically superior to Jones (mostly driven by kick-handball ratio and ability to hit the scoreboard).

He is hardly the first 19yo 1st year player that fumbles or overuns it, some senior players picked almost weekly do it.

Agree to disagree about Bedendo.

 

[Dogsman16]

Sen linking us again to James Rowe from Adelaide

 

[adogsfan5]

Sen linking us again to James Rowe from Adelaide

Like it a lot.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Sen linking us again to James Rowe from Adelaide

Oh my god please let it happen just for the lols.

How bidding on Ugle-Hagan landed the Crows James Rowe

The strategy behind Adelaide's bid with its top draft pick

www.afc.com.au

This was hysterical propaganda at the time and would be even better if we ended up with him anyway.

 

[Foxman98]

Oh my god please let it happen just for the lols.

How bidding on Ugle-Hagan landed the Crows James Rowe

The strategy behind Adelaide's bid with its top draft pick

www.afc.com.au

This was hysterical propaganda at the time and would be even better if we ended up with him anyway.

Is also a bit of what we need genuine small forward not a failed mid

 

[Bulldogs85]

Sen linking us again to James Rowe from Adelaide

Yuck

 

[adogsfan5]

Is Rowe out of contract?

Needs to get fitter but has the tools.

 

[Bulldogs85]

Is Rowe out of contract?

Needs to get fitter but has the tools.

Unfortunately hopefully Crows Re-sign him ASAP

 

[Bald]

I actually don’t mind the idea of Rowe personally.

 

[Foxman98]

I actually don’t mind the idea of Rowe personally.

His energy with Weightman up forward would be very good

 

[doggies ftw]

Rowes trash, id be aiming a fair bit higher than that

 

[Bald]

Rowes trash, id be aiming a fair bit higher than that

It’s an area of need but not a pressing need. I’d like to aim higher as well but our large aims should be focused on our large issues imo.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Apparently not expected to get a new contract from Adelaide. Can't say I'm inspired by picking up a Crom delisting but I haven't seen him play.

 

[LukasTheGreat]

They are stacked in the area of shit small forward tbf, and that's without rankine.

Mcadam.
Murphy
Rachele
Mchenry
And Rowe

Not that I'd be keen, outside of Derwayne Russel I haven't seen much enthusiasm surrounding him.

 

[VitalDread]

Rowe is just an upgrade on McNeil

But i'm all for banter so getting him is a pissa

 

[TiAn_]

If he’s a free hit for depth, sure. We’ll need forward options if Dunkley and JJ go.

 

[Testekill]

Sen linking us again to James Rowe from Adelaide

We do need more genuine smalls in the forward line, if it's as cheap depth then it's not a horrible idea.

 

[dergert]

Rowe's not TOO bad imo.

Crows have been dog shit whilst hes been there.

 

[Libbaaaa]

No one in our team can crumb with a damn so worth a shot.

 

[adogsfan5]

A genuine crumbing small fwd, and some are saying no?

 

[dergert]

Crows played him way too high in the times I've seen him play.

He will stay with them if they offer a contract, surely.

 

[VitalDread]

 

[Struggle]

A genuine crumbing small fwd, and some are saying no?

Isn't he fat, slow and very small?

Just because that's his role doesnt mean he's any good at it

 

[adogsfan5]

Isn't he fat, slow and very small?

Just because that's his role doesnt mean he's any good at it

I said above he needs to get fitter but has the tools for that role. Wasn’t he drafted as a small fwd?