Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 5 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Foxman98]

The way he was nailing most of shots from the 50 was the most damning part and largely why they won the game. Cordy did well to carrel him so his only options were to lead further up the ground for his shots. Usually only 2 of those would of been goals.

Look at where Max King missed his from Friday and it paints a much better picture for Zaine

 

[doggies ftw]

Logue would cost closer to a top ten pick than he would a second rounder. Being uncontracted dilutes that a bit but he would certainly get a first round pick. He has been exceptional for them at both ends of the ground.



Doesn't really seem interested in doing the amount of defensive running we demand of our wings IMO.

Wouldn’t say exceptional IMO, he’s been average to okay as a defensive minded forward who can take a grab but has zero forward craft, terrible goal sense and pretty average footskills tbh.

Has had some good games in defence maybe some exceptional ones but overall I’d say he’s still mostly potential at this stage, I think he’s getting a little overrated in here.

Don’t get me wrong he’s way better than what we have and I’m keen on him, I think he’d be a good fit alongside Darcy and a genuine FB like Jones - but he’s not the defender we’re really crying out for and I think a few people will be disappointed when they realise what he really is, compared to what they expected if we were to nab him.

He doesn’t have any elite traits to my eye just does everything to a decent standard, decent athleticism, good one on one without being great and a touch undersized, strong mark without being great, pretty average footskills but positions well & can find a lot of the ball. and a pretty significant injury history to top it off - still mostly potential yet not that young.

I think mid to late first rounder is his range, he may get more due to his high draft pick and there being a serious lack of other options currently. If we were to grab Lobb & Logue combo our first & 3rd would be fair - our first being overs for Logue & our 3rd being unders for Lobb.

 

[adogsfan5]

If Brad Hill wasn't paid so damn much, I'd have him on a wing.

Fat, lazy and soft. No thanks

 

[doggies ftw]

No doubt in my mind he’s a defender and a very good one. Especially good against athletic types.

Yep that’s absolutely his role at AFL level, a good defender who can play on a variety of opponents ranging from athletic talls to medium types - which is something we need absolutely. But he’s not going to come in and hold down our defence as the main man which I think is a bigger need - Logue would be a great replacement of Gardner/Cordy who should both be 2nd/3rd talls.

I think some people here are expecting more of him though - there’s people who would prefer us target him over Barrass. They’re not even remotely comparable as players or close to the same level. I want Logue but he should be in addition to trying to solve our FB problem, not the solution

 

[immortalmike]

Cordy has been our weakest link in our worst games this year.
I think he's hit his ceiling and its lower than what we need in our backline.

His performance against Lobb stamped his papers for mine.

What about his performance on Hawkins and last week.
I think we're very harsh on Zaine on this board.
We need better defenders than him but he's not as bad as some say.

 

[Northernsoul74]

Yep that’s absolutely his role at AFL level, a good defender who can play on a variety of opponents ranging from athletic talls to medium types - which is something we need absolutely. But he’s not going to come in and hold down our defence as the main man which I think is a bigger need - Logue would be a great replacement of Gardner/Cordy who should both be 2nd/3rd talls.

I think some people here are expecting more of him though - there’s people who would prefer us target him over Barrass. They’re not even remotely comparable as players or close to the same level. I want Logue but he should be in addition to trying to solve our FB problem, not the solution

I don’t think anyone wants Logue over Barass, just that for the cost of Barass we could probably get Lobb,Logue and keep a first assuming we get one in for Dunkley.
Also, Logue seems a lot more realistic than Barrass so I wouldn’t put all my eggs in a Barrass sized basket.

 

[doggies ftw]

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Not that I think he’s any good but this is where he had his shots from definitely not one you can be blaming Cordy for

is this normal for Lobb or just one of those flukes against the dogs that happen every week

Because geez this is something our forward line has lacked for a long time, you just know none of our forwards have 50+ m goals in them and it makes our whole forward line a lot more predictable, whereas every week the oppo seem to dob them with ease against us.

Naughty can’t even make the distance from there and whilst Marra has shown he has it in him for some reason that hasn’t clicked in his set shots at the top level yet - hopefully it will though.

Bonts gone so far backwards in this regard for whatever reason, English the only one I can think of who can do it with any sort of consistency.

Lobb will be a good addition if he can bring this extra layer to our forward line.

 

[doggies ftw]

I don’t think anyone wants Logue over Barass, just that for the cost of Barass we could probably get Lobb,Logue and keep a first assuming we get one in for Dunkley.
Also, Logue seems a lot more realistic than Barrass so I wouldn’t put all my eggs in a Barrass sized basket.

Yeah no doubt Barrass is unrealistic and won’t happen, but just mean that they shouldn’t even be in the same conversation as they’re bringing completely different things to the team. Whereas I get the feeling people think “well Logue can do a similar job and costs less”

Ideally we’d get both

 

[Bald]

is this normal for Lobb or just one of those flukes against the dogs that happen every week

Because geez this is something our forward line has lacked for a long time, you just know none of our forwards have 50+ m goals in them and it makes our whole forward line a lot more predictable, whereas every week the oppo seem to dob them with ease against us.

Naughty can’t even make the distance from there and whilst Marra has shown he has it in him for some reason that hasn’t clicked in his set shots at the top level yet - hopefully it will though.

Bonts gone so far backwards in this regard for whatever reason, English the only one I can think of who can do it with any sort of consistency.

Lobb will be a good addition if he can bring this extra layer to our forward line.

Lobb isn’t used to playing at roofed stadiums so if that’s what he’s capable of under the lid I’m all for it

 

[True Dog]

Yeah no doubt Barrass is unrealistic and won’t happen, but just mean that they shouldn’t even be in the same conversation as they’re bringing completely different things to the team. Whereas I get the feeling people think “well Logue can do a similar job and costs less”

Ideally we’d get both

Tend to agree regarding Barrass, there would be a lot more noise if this were true? That said something is making my spidey senses tingle?

 

[doggies ftw]

Lobb isn’t used to playing at roofed stadiums so if that’s what he’s capable of under the lid I’m all for it

He really is gonna have a much much easier time alongside Naughty & Marra/Bruce than he currently is too - I think he could do really really well if he can stay fit tbh

 

[Bald]

He really is gonna have a much much easier time alongside Naughty & Marra/Bruce than he currently is too - I think he could do really really well if he can stay fit tbh

I’m excited by the prospect of having a third tall in the forward line that doesn’t give me heart palpitations when ever he goes into the ruck. Even pre knee it was just unnatural for Bruce.

I understand people wanting to address the defensive aspects of the game first and foremost but Lobb will play a part that’s vital (albeit not as vital as the backline) in the going forwards of the club.

 

[doggies ftw]

Tend to agree regarding Barrass, there would be a lot more noise if this were true? That said something is making my spidey senses tingle?

1st & 3rd for Logue & Lobb,
1st (from Dunks) & next years 1st for Barrass

= 3peat

It’s happening I can feel it

 

[Northernsoul74]

He really is gonna have a much much easier time alongside Naughty & Marra/Bruce than he currently is too - I think he could do really really well if he can stay fit tbh

Yep, he’s got very sticky hands at the best of times but he’d love it under a dry roof.

 

[Northernsoul74]

1st & 3rd for Logue & Lobb,
1st (from Dunks) & next years 1st for Barrass

= 3peat

It’s happening I can feel it

How are we adding Bergman please?

 

[Bald]

How are we adding Bergman please?

Dunkley and a second rounder for Bergman and a first.

In my dreams.

 

[doggies ftw]

How are we adding Bergman please?

2nd rounder, + Bruest for our remaining 3rd.

Jones FA

Screw the draft who needs the draft

 

[Northernsoul74]

Dunkley and a second rounder for Bergman and a first.

In my dreams.

Bergman and the Amon compo pick maybe.

 

[doggies ftw]

Dunkley and a second rounder for Bergman and a first.

In my dreams.

That’s actually not a bad idea and makes a lot of sense for both clubs to be honest

 

[bobs head soup]

What about his performance on Hawkins and last week.
I think we're very harsh on Zaine on this board.
We need better defenders than him but he's not as bad as some say.

Totally agree. He's depth but can play key position or mid size, forward or back, gives his all and has that bit of mongrel we lack. Has achieved a lot for a late draft pick. Can't believe some see him as a delist at 25.

 

[LittleG]

Logue would cost closer to a top ten pick than he would a second rounder. Being uncontracted dilutes that a bit but he would certainly get a first round pick. He has been exceptional for them at both ends of the ground.



Doesn't really seem interested in doing the amount of defensive running we demand of our wings IMO.

Wow! Logue a top 10 pick.

IF he had cemented a place in Freos defence, then maybe but he hasn’t.

I have watched a lot of Freo this year. Up here my two AFL loving friends are both Freo supporters [emoji20] They think a pick 20-25 (almost Our second rounder is 27) is fair.
Logue is still potential and could have another level BUT they think his ceiling has been reached. It’s why Freo aren’t offering a decent contract. I think he may develop a bit more, which is why I am keen.

I gage a players worth on contract size. Logue will earn significantly less than Dunkley, so I value them accordingly.

 

[Outback Footy]

Is Jones a certainty? Jones and Lobb, Darcy getting more games in defense, hopefully Keith back to fitness and form, thatd be OK.

 

[Optimistic Dog]

More than any area of the ground it is tall defenders has been a problem. We have played all season with C Grade talls Gardiner, Cordy, O'Brien and Keath who was a B grader but this season a C grader. Sam is potential A grader but forward back or ruck we do not know. As much as our game plan has not helped it is hard to be the best with no A grade tall defenders.

 

[Foxman98]

More than any area of the ground it is tall defenders has been a problem. We have played all season with C Grade talls Gardiner, Cordy, O'Brien and Keath who was a B grader but this season a C grader. Sam is potential A grader but forward back or ruck we do not know. As much as our game plan has not helped it is hard to be the best with no A grade tall defenders.

Gards isn't a C grader anymore

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Wow! Logue a top 10 pick.

IF he had cemented a place in Freos defence, then maybe but he hasn’t.

I don't think he's worth a top 10 pick - but I think on an open market that highly values young KPPs he'd fetch closer to that than a mid-20s pick. Of course, as I said, being uncontracted dilutes that a bit - but I would be staggered to see him moved for anything less than a mid-late first.