Trade McGovern or Barrass

[KaaL]

I saw Tom Cole

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defending Larkey in the last. Where the **** are our key defenders?

 

[kaiserchief13]

I saw Tom Cole defending Larkey in the last. Where the fu** are our key defenders?

Covering space looking for the flashy intercept mark

 

[Moose1414]

Nobody would trade for McGovern given the salary he is sitting on.

Yep. Honestly, we need to trade Darling in order to solve this problem. Barrass has more football ahead of him than Darling, Gov or Kennedy, also goes pretty well when Gov isn't down back. After a rebuild, HEdwards and Barrass can easily be part of our next Premiership. Kennedy is playing well enough to go around again. Oscar is clearly the future. Darling is absolutely cooked mentally and just screams of a bloke that needs a new club, could do very well in a different system. At the end of the day Darling out and Gov forward makes the most sense. We can't really lose Gov and then have Kennedy retire size wise, they are genuine KPP size where as Darling is a midget tall with t-rex arms. As much as Oscar has grown, he and Brander are on the smallish side for key position. Gov could sit in the goal square and mark everything that comes into the 50 as a FF. Or, could give us a genuine target out of back 50 pushing up the ground as a marking option playing CHF. He was recruited as a forward, was never a true defender. Got his AA jumpers name at CHB on his size alone while playing as a spare. Our defence is cooked, there is no point in him being down there any longer and he's 10 times the player Darling is and would absolutely dominate the kind of 2nd or 3rd defenders Darling draws just on reach and marking talent alone.

 

[Kwality]

Maybe should offer them Naitanui as well given he will have more chance to win a flag there than at WC. Naitanui+McGovern for their first and second pick?

Bringing McGov straight back was a calculated risk - it failed. That is a selection error as much as it the players poor form/fitness.

 

[kaiserchief13]

Bringing McGov straight back was a calculated risk - it failed. That is a selection error as much as it the players poor form/fitness.

Wasn't HEdwards playing well?

 

[Kwality]

Darling needs a rest* or the WAFL to get reacquainted with the footy & that is this year, next week.
Allen should line up as the CHF, he has all the skills now.

McGovern should join Darling in the WAFL & Harry Edwards get the gig, now !

*97.5% playing time

AFL Tables - 2021 Stats - Player Lists

 

[navi_]

Barrass has had the most goals kicked against him for any key position back in the top 10 sides this year

He is unfit has no second efforts, his conditioning is poor so he trails his opponent.

He spends a lot of time on the bench for a key back.

We should trade him, no one wants McGovern his salary is way too high even GC are not that silly

we are probably the worst side of the top 10 sides so that makes sense.

says more about the pressure on the ball coming in

 

[Kwality]

we are probably the worst side of the top 10 sides so that makes sense.

says more about the pressure on the ball coming in

Trust you checked out the stats you replied to ??

See the attached playing time:

AFL Tables - 2021 Stats - Player Lists

Barrass game time 86%

Not your mistake but beware Royal Eagle on the wing.

 

[The Passenger]

Naitanui+McGovern for their first and second pick?

I think Richmond would be a good fit for Gov. A top 10 pick in return would be fair I think.

Is crack being offered around Perth for free or something?

These guys might get us a pick inside the top 40. might. Talk of first rounders and top ten picks for blokes in the last couple of years of their careers is just ridiculous.

 

[navi_]

Trust you checked out the stats you replied to ??

See the attached playing time:

AFL Tables - 2021 Stats - Player Lists

Barrass game time 86%

Not your mistake but beware Royal Eagle on the wing.

Wasnt really responding to the query on Barrass conditioning.

More so im not surprised Barrass has the most goals kicked on him of the top 10 sides. IMO we're arguably the worst of those top 10 so logic dictates we would be the worst in just about any stat. (not 100% sure if he does or not, just assumed the poster had done due diligence).

 

[The Passenger]

Anyway, the issue isn't McGovern and Barrass being able to play together. We've won a flag with them at FB and CHB so it's a combination that works.

The issue is Gov is completely out of form and potentially his body is shot because he is spending a lot more time on the sidelines than earlier in his career. Also where earlier in his career he would trail off a contest because he knew he could impact the one after with one of his classic intercept marks, he is now failing to do the latter. He is a long way off the play. We are also stuck with his massive contract till the end of 2023.

TB, whilst still being a good defender, is no better now at 25 than he was at 22. He's still a net positive to the team, but after 2018 we probably thought his natural improvement would take him to AA levels, but he's plateaued out to the point for that to happen would require a bit of a mid career renaissance. Not an impossibility, but certainly not a given. He can still be a solid contributor to a successful team on current performances.

If the club is going the rebuild and looking to recycle the list by trading out senior players, than that is perhaps a discussion worth having. I mentioned Jack Redden

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in another thread, who is out of contract at season's end. Not saying we necessarily should, but not completely out of the question. But you just need to be realistic and understand these are going to be scenarios similar to the Hawks and Cats where you are getting picks in the 40s, 50s and 60s. Someone like Gov, with his massive contract and current performance, we probably aren't even going to find a suitor even at the most cut-price of trades.

If you think the club is going to be able to trade out senior players for high(ish) picks in an attempt to redistribute some of our talent 1) from old to young and 2) from tall's to midfielders, and have a crack at the 2022 flag, than you better prepare yourself for a lot of disappointment.

 

[Moose1414]

Is crack being offered around Perth for free or something?

These guys might get us a pick inside the top 40. might. Talk of first rounders and top ten picks for blokes in the last couple of years of their careers is just ridiculous.

I mean, you have a point but we paid first rounders for Redden and Jetta who were mid 20's. I reckon clubs in the top 5-6 kind of range this year would cough up a first rounder for Darling. Certainly Gov or Barrass would be worth more than that. Bulldogs, Melbourne, Brisbane are pretty young sides that have gone to the draft many many times, a pick in the late teens or early 20's is pretty expendable in order to get a bloke around 30 who is going to be best 22 in a key position during a premiership window. Brisbane just lost Hipwood for 12 months, Daniher hates playing FF. They would take Darling for a first rounder and probably throw in a project mid that they don't need as a sweetener, could be the difference between them finishing top 4 and taking out a Premiership next year. Jack would be insane not to go, we'd be silly not to do the deal too.

Edit: Essendon or Fremantle would be finishing around 8th this year and would likely be comfortable paying overs for Darling too, would fill a genuine need for them and off the back of so much drafting letting a first rounder go for a chance at 3-4 years of AA form Darling is an acceptable gamble.

 

[Wight Wolf]

Anyway, the issue isn't McGovern and Barrass being able to play together. We've won a flag with them at FB and CHB so it's a combination that works.

The issue is Gov is completely out of form and potentially his body is shot because he is spending a lot more time on the sidelines than earlier in his career. Also where earlier in his career he would trail off a contest because he knew he could impact the one after with one of his classic intercept marks, he is now failing to do the latter. He is a long way off the play. We are also stuck with his massive contract till the end of 2023.

TB, whilst still being a good defender, is no better now at 25 than he was at 22. He's still a net positive to the team, but after 2018 we probably thought his natural improvement would take him to AA levels, but he's plateaued out to the point for that to happen would require a bit of a mid career renaissance. Not an impossibility, but certainly not a given. He can still be a solid contributor to a successful team on current performances.

If the club is going the rebuild and looking to recycle the list by trading out senior players, than that is perhaps a discussion worth having. I mentioned Jack Redden in another thread, who is out of contract at season's end. Not saying we necessarily should, but not completely out of the question. But you just need to be realistic and understand these are going to be scenarios similar to the Hawks and Cats where you are getting picks in the 40s, 50s and 60s. Someone like Gov, with his massive contract and current performance, we probably aren't even going to find a suitor even at the most cut-price of trades.

If you think the club is going to be able to trade out senior players for high(ish) picks in an attempt to redistribute some of our talent 1) from old to young and 2) from tall's to midfielders, and have a crack at the 2022 flag, than you better prepare yourself for a lot of disappointment.

Lurked for a while, first post.
Trading Redden would be terrible decision. Shows up every week and actually has some grunt about him. He should almost be captain

 

[The Passenger]

Lurked for a while, first post.
Trading Redden would be terrible decision. Shows up every week and actually has some grunt about him. He should almost be captain

I 100% don't dispute that. He's well and truly in our best 10 players and in 2021 has been the one guy that gives it his all every week.

I'm only talking about a rebuild situation. And as per my last paragraph.

Not saying we necessarily should, but not completely out of the question.

If we were to trade (hypothetically) Redden (or a similar age/performance player) I'm well aware that would be declaring we aren't contending in 2022.

 

[HAPPY BUDDHA]

I saw Tom Cole defending Larkey in the last. Where the fu** are our key defenders?

Our who???

oh yeah, they’re being run out of position in accordance to Simmo’s game plan. It’s working a treat.

 

[Kwality]

I 100% don't dispute that. He's well and truly in our best 10 players and in 2021 has been the one guy that gives it his all every week.

I'm only talking about a rebuild situation. And as per my last paragraph.



If we were to trade (hypothetically) Redden (or a similar age/performance player) I'm well aware that would be declaring we aren't contending in 2022.

I missed why trading Redden makes any sense, who needs* him ?

* we need him.

 

[Wight Wolf]

I 100% don't dispute that. He's well and truly in our best 10 players and in 2021 has been the one guy that gives it his all every week.

I'm only talking about a rebuild situation. And as per my last paragraph.



If we were to trade (hypothetically) Redden (or a similar age/performance player) I'm well aware that would be declaring we aren't contending in 2022.

i dunno it just seems a silly hypothetical.

 

[xInfected_Virus]

Kaiser was four years ahead

 

[ioppolo]

2020, what a wasted year. Outside of Richmond that could've been anyone's flag.