Trade Talk (not draft talk)

[dlanod]

Re: Lions Drafting Discussion 2010.

leaving the 2nd ruck with 30% ruck time and the rest spent resting in the forward line or roaming around the ground (which Clark is more than capable of).

I dispute this strongly. Back before Clark's renaissance as a ruckman last year he was being run as a utility and occasional wingman, and did it very well I felt. He's more than capable of performing this role again when not rucking explicitly.

 

[Mr Ripper]

Re: Lions Drafting Discussion 2010.

Is it possible to put threads on 'ignore'?

 

[Panthera]

Trade Talk

I dispute this strongly. Back before Clark's renaissance as a ruckman last year he was being run as a utility and occasional wingman, and did it very well I felt. He's more than capable of performing this role again when not rucking explicitly.

You dispute something that is exactly the same as your point

I wrote that Clark is more than capable of roaming around the ground

 

[Quigley]

Re: Lions Drafting Discussion 2010.

Actually I would not be against trading Clark but it certainly would not be for Cox. Instead it would be for high picks or young top shelf mids. Both Clark and Leuenberger thrive with big TOG and ruck is now clearly Clark's best position. Ruck gives him the freedom to chase the ball and roam around the park. With Leuenberger looking like developing into a very good ruck and Charman and McCauley both looking like they would be capable number 2's I would not be against trading Clark if we could get value.

For Clark I would be looking for someone like Boak from Port or numbers 3 and 15 from GC. Both of these trades I think would upgrade our team more than Clark playing as a floating second ruck would.

Cox has shown that he does not do well splitting time in the ruck so why bring him into a side where there will be exactly the same problem as he currently faces?

 

[Panthera]

Re: Lions Drafting Discussion 2010.

Is it possible to put threads on 'ignore'?

You need assistance in ignoring a thread???

 

[Snuka]

Re: Lions Drafting Discussion 2010.

Keep, keep keep! Leuey and Clark actually finally starting to come good IMO, I think they should be on top of the list to build our side around! We just need more smart mids to take advantage of their ruck and around the ground dominance. Clark particularly good at moving forward and back to plug gaps and provide a target.

 

[Mr Ripper]

Re: Lions Drafting Discussion 2010.

You need assistance in ignoring a thread???

When you prefer to use the << previous thread / next thread >> function to view the board, wise acre.

 

[dlanod]

Re: Lions Drafting Discussion 2010.

You dispute something that is exactly the same as your point

I wrote that Clark is more than capable of roaming around the ground

Yeah, I saw "30% ruck time" and the immediate impression that jumped to mind was some of the hopeless "second rucks" we've seen over the years whose sole aim was to make opponent ruckmen jump into them. So yes, we're in violent agreement.

Is it possible to put threads on 'ignore'?

By not clicking on the thread?

 

[Panthera]

Re: Lions Drafting Discussion 2010.

First point...Just imagine Timmy from Thomastown and Slattery 20 leading the mob posting on the countless "Voss still trading for Retreads" type threads that would ensue if we traded Clark for Cox and having to ignore them as how could we defend such a decision with a viable argument. Who cares!

Second point...Cox probably doesn't want to come to Brisbane. True!

Third point...The Club probably don't want Cox at the expense of Clark,if at all. Only way points 2 & 3 could happen is to trade one of Clark/Leuey.

Fourth point...I don't want Cox especially,particularly and most definitely at the expense of Clark.

I only want him at the Lions for a few seasons to teach Leuey. Clark goes to WC and we get another gun with pick 4/6. The Lions are not in the premiership window; so having 2 gun young ruckman is a huge bargaining tool to get into that premiership frame.

Rarely has there been a premiership combo with two gun ruckman of similar quality.

Keating was dominant for our three, then Lade, then Cox, then Jolly, then Ottens, then neither, then neither last year.

The upgrade in draft pick is the aim, not to get Cox, but to get the pick we only have Clark to gain a first rounder and the only way to give Clark is to get Cox as WC would not want Cox, Natanui & Clark.

 

[whatboutbob]

Trade Talk

Is it possible to put threads on 'ignore'?

Or at least move the trade discussions to another thread...

 

[Old Den]

Re: Lions Drafting Discussion 2010.

I only want him at the Lions for a few seasons to teach Leuey. Clark goes to WC and we get another gun with pick 4/6. The Lions are not in the premiership window; so having 2 gun young ruckman is a huge bargaining tool to get into that premiership frame.

Rarely has there been a premiership combo with two gun ruckman of similar quality.

Keating was dominant for our three, then Lade, then Cox, then Jolly, then Ottens, then neither, then neither last year.

The upgrade in draft pick is the aim, not to get Cox, but to get the pick we only have Clark to gain a first rounder and the only way to give Clark is to get Cox as WC would not want Cox, Natanui & Clark.

Keating was dominant for most of the 3 premiership finals because he was uninjured and fit....unlike his condition for many games in each of those seasons - if you can recall,a young Charmo was carrying the ruck for many games in 2003 similar to the great role that Clark played last year.....If he had gone down then ???.

We are not lacking ruck coaching expertise with Big Beau on hand....that was amply demonstrated with Clark's rapid improvement last year and the same with Leuenberger this year and the premiership window statement ( I won't dignify it by calling it an argument) applies just the same - we are likely to win 6 flags in the next 100 years...every player on the list may have finished their career before the next one happens no matter what trading is done...(I sincerely hope not).

What would be the situation with Clark gone and injury to Leuenberger? - just Charman (if fit) Brennan (assuming he stays) and McCulloch....I want better ruck security than that...Oh lets throw in Merrett and Maguire.

Clark's ability in other positions will prove to be invaluable in coming years.

A second pick in the first 10 in the upcoming draft is no guarantee to getting a better than average player...probably would but could land a disappointment like some I could mention but won't.

BTW I am just as impressed by replies in arial font and the yukky green impresses me not at all.

Edit - Mental blank above...Of course Cox would be in the Ruck Squad...quite a embarressment...I still prefer Clark.

 

[Panthera]

Re: Lions Drafting Discussion 2010.

So Clark and pick 27 over Cox and pick 4/6?

 

[Hollow Knight]

Re: Lions Drafting Discussion 2010.

So Clark and pick 27 over Cox and pick 4/6?

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[Axel.]

Re: Lions Drafting Discussion 2010.

Clark for their 1st and 2nd round picks!!!

But why would you want to trade Clark?

 

[POBT]

Re: Trade Talk

Or at least move the trade discussions to another thread...

Done. Let's see how this goes. The two topics are somewhat inter-connected but I can see why people might not want to read "trade talk".

 

[acuguy]

I would trade Brown ahead of Clark!

You don't trade young players who have the potential to be elite. Mitch Clark has had a case of the 2nd year blues, he is a gun in the making.

I love the trade period, but not this year. I want delistings, drafting good young prospects and a lower level gun. Then to cap it off we should be targeting an exciting current out of contract player in the preseason draft!

 

[Gibbo_88]

Re: Lions Drafting Discussion 2010.

I only want him at the Lions for a few seasons to teach Leuey. Clark goes to WC and we get another gun with pick 4/6. The Lions are not in the premiership window; so having 2 gun young ruckman is a huge bargaining tool to get into that premiership frame.

Rarely has there been a premiership combo with two gun ruckman of similar quality.

Keating was dominant for our three, then Lade, then Cox, then Jolly, then Ottens, then neither, then neither last year.

The upgrade in draft pick is the aim, not to get Cox, but to get the pick we only have Clark to gain a first rounder and the only way to give Clark is to get Cox as WC would not want Cox, Natanui & Clark.

lol...after last years luck with ruckman we won't be getting rid of one anytime soon.

I would say Beau and Charman have a fair amount of knowledge between them to help Clark and Leuey along.

Having 2 young ruckman that can play together for 8-10 years that can also play as midfielders sounds a lot better to me then losing one and having just another 'potential gun'. Perhaps the Lions can be the first team to have 2 dominant ruckman... Clarks field kicking skills, speed and contested marking make him one of my favourite players to watch and he's only just hitting his prime now.

 

[tesseract]

Re: Lions Drafting Discussion 2010.

Just why would you trade someone like Clark, young and can play many positions, for an aging ruckman who is now clearly past it. Even Cox would be 2nd ruckman to Bergs next year. Silly idea. Y don't we just trade Rich for Ben Cousins while we are at it.

Cox had no preseason due to injury and also played with Naitanui doing a lot of ruckwork, yet Cox was still ahead of Leuenberger statistically. When Cox is fit for next season, without injury hampering him, he'll only be bested by Sandilands, but will still beat him in some categories.
Leuenberger ain't Cox's superior yet. Not next year either, unless Cox falls off a cliff.

 

[lionshine]

Well while where thinking of trade suggestions for Mitch Clark (P.S. I wouldn't want to trade him unless we could get one of the following deals done) I might put this one out there even though he has recently re signed with Adelaide and Adelaide would never let him go and if they did it it would be to Victoria not us I will put it out there anyway!

1st Rounder plus Clark plus Sherman for Dangerfield

or

1st rounder plus Fevola plus Sherman

or

1st rounder plus Mitch Clark plus Fevola

 

[chopperduck]

Re: Lions Drafting Discussion 2010.

Not saying bergs is better than cox, just that we would play our long term option who finally has some fitness, over a bloke who maybe has 2 years left in him. Cox when fully fit probably still is the best ruck, but we need the best ruck for the future, not the now.

 

[LionKing]

Well while where thinking of trade suggestions for Mitch Clark (P.S. I wouldn't want to trade him unless we could get one of the following deals done) I might put this one out there even though he has recently re signed with Adelaide and Adelaide would never let him go and if they did it it would be to Victoria not us I will put it out there anyway!

1st Rounder plus Clark plus Sherman for Dangerfield

or

1st rounder plus Fevola plus Sherman

or

1st rounder plus Mitch Clark plus Fevola

Sorry LS

 

[Warwick]

1st Rounder plus Clark plus Sherman for Dangerfield

 

[Warwick]

1st rounder plus Fevola plus Sherman

 

[Warwick]

1st rounder plus Mitch Clark plus Fevola

 

[tesseract]

Re: Lions Drafting Discussion 2010.

Not saying bergs is better than cox, just that we would play our long term option who finally has some fitness, over a bloke who maybe has 2 years left in him. Cox when fully fit probably still is the best ruck, but we need the best ruck for the future, not the now.

I use the same reasoning on the WC board. Being in the position our clubs are in, youth and the future has to be a focus.

If WC were to trade out Cox, it'd be to a contender wanting a top up.