Trade Talk

[Benno_900]

Reminds me of Jeremy Clayton Happy to pass

You going to actually give me something convincing? Clayton averaged around 7 touches at AFL level (Houli - 20).

Houli does get a lot of the ball and is a great kick. If you deny that, you just don't watch him play.

Disposal efficiency: 79% - 6th at the club

He only averages one less tackle per game than the club leader (Ryder).

There's no real good reason why he isn't in the team. Knights just uses him and guys like Prismall as scapegoats when Essendon lose. He had a shit game against Carlton, yes, but so did 18 other players.

 

[Joshen]

Players I wouldn't mind us trading for/having a look at (estimated value in brackets):

• McKernan (2nd Rounder) - as a KPF/KPD or pinch hitting in the ruck if injury strikes is rumoured to want back to Melbourne after not getting senior games at Adelaide North seems the logical destination.
• Knights (2nd Rounder + a player) - might be a bit of wishful thinking but has put off contract negotiations and may want back to Melbourne he fits a list need as an outside player with elite footskills who can find the goals. Injury problems will decrease his value but can see him going to Essendon as they a) need him more, b) have better picks so may be more attractive for Adelaide to bargain with.
• Everitt (2nd Rounder) - has reason to be frustrated with 2006 draft contemparies, Gibbs, Hansen, Gumbleton, Riewoldt and Frawley (to name a few) dubbed as future AFL stars Andrejs finds himself in and out of the Bulldogs side his spot taken by players such as Wood and Moles he might be tempted to seek a trade where he would be considered best 22 material. I can see him rotating with Sam Wright as the tall HFF who runs into the middle and causing match up headaches for opposition coaches due to size and versatility.
• Houli (3rd Rounder) - have always been a fan of Bachar and now is the perfect time to target him as he is unfairly not getting a game in the Dons team even though his VFL performances have suggested he should be in the 1's and the fact that Essendon have a very weak midfield. His main asset is his kicking skills something which we lack can be exposed for his defensive side of his game but he has improved this greatly and for a 3rd round pick he could be a key part of our team for 2011 and beyond.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

If he was such an awesome kick and knows how to find the footy, why is he running around for the Bendigo Bombers?

Happy to pass on Essendon two's players.

Obviously there is something going on internally if he can get 18 touches in a team that gets absolutly hammered and then gets dropped the next week for someone like Ricky Dyson. Houli would be in our best 22, and i have no doubt he'd be in Essendons if something shifty wasn't going on. He has been having big totals in all his Bendigo games yet can't break into the side. You obviously havn't seen him play if you are comparing him to Jeremy Clayton.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

Walker will stay at the crows and would cost way too much.

 

[Ghostwriter]

Petrie for Walker, Crows get a replacement for Bock, we get another kid with loads of potential.

 

[ARDENSTREETforever]

Just saw on the hun website that Michael Rischitelli's management have spoken to North Melbourne, Essendon and Carlton.

I like this.

 

[Dan]

Just saw on the hun website that Michael Rischitelli's management have spoken to North Melbourne, Essendon and Carlton.

I like this.

I 2nd that

 

[roos_fanatic08]

Petrie for Walker, Crows get a replacement for Bock, we get another kid with loads of potential.

Not sure if serious.

 

[Twinkletoes]

Is there any way we can take the "rumour" tag off this thread? So far it's rmours nil, random musings 57. BF rumours may not be worth much usually but they do have a level of potential interest value separate to baseless chit-chat, which is probably the point of the tag.

Done. I'd add "random musings" as a tag IF it was possible to do so.

 

[Tas]

The Crows basically see Walker as the next Fev without the off-field stuff. Considering how much a 28 year old Fev with the off-field stuff attracted trade-wise, imagine how much they'd be asking for a 20 year old Fev without it. You'd be looking at Ziebell and a first rounder to even get them talking. Is that overpaying? Probably, but it's what they'd be asking for.

Come on now, that is just getting stupid. He is no Fev, not remotely close. He could be another Jack Anthony who has gone from a huge prospect to can't even push Leigh Brown out of a forward position any more to now trying to get games as a defender. KPFs can look good and then just fall off the planet, it is why guys like Fev and even Carey in his twilight came at such high prices. Those who can perform consistently are worth their weight in gold.

Petrie looked like he was going to be a gun up forward but after a few good years flatlined for a long time. Good forwards are hard to come by because it is hard to be consistently good. He hasn't earned that kind of price tag yet, not remotely close.

If he wanted to walk and go to some other club because he wasn't getting games they would not get remotely close to that asking price, nowhere near it.

 

[AFC979810]

A lot of negativity towards Taylor Walker here.... People need to understand the kid is still raw...

There is obviously a lot of love on this forum for Lachie Hansen, who I think is a very good player.... But if you look at the key stats for a forward I know who I would prefer to have:

Walker with 3 season in the system (pick 75, 2007 Draft):

30 games - 53 goals - 52 behinds (average goals per game 1.76)
Average Possesions per game: 9.96 touches.

Hansen with 4 seasons in the system (Pick 3, 2006 Draft):

48 games - 36 goals - 23 behinds (average goals per game .75)
Avg Possesion per game: 13.34

Taylor Walker does need to work on Defensive Pressure and some other aspects, but I think he has more upside than Hansen....

The main reason I showed the stats is to also show why comparing McKernan to Walker is crazy... McKernan has only played one game in his 2 seasons with the Crows...

I think that realistically, the Crows will only be looking to trade Knights (providing he wants to go home)..... Not sure what we would get for him, but if he wants to leave I would like the Crows to use him in part of a deal to get Daniel Wells or Ryan Griffen.....

 

[Narni_]

A lot of negativity towards Taylor Walker here.... People need to understand the kid is still raw...

There is obviously a lot of love on this forum for Lachie Hansen, who I think is a very good player.... But if you look at the key stats for a forward I know who I would prefer to have:

Walker with 3 season in the system (pick 75, 2007 Draft):

30 games - 53 goals - 52 behinds (average goals per game 1.76)
Average Possesions per game: 9.96 touches.

Hansen with 4 seasons in the system (Pick 3, 2006 Draft):

48 games - 36 goals - 23 behinds (average goals per game .75)
Avg Possesion per game: 13.34

Taylor Walker does need to work on Defensive Pressure and some other aspects, but I think he has more upside than Hansen....

The main reason I showed the stats is to also show why comparing McKernan to Walker is crazy... McKernan has only played one game in his 2 seasons with the Crows...

I think that realistically, the Crows will only be looking to trade Knights (providing he wants to go home)..... Not sure what we would get for him, but if he wants to leave I would like the Crows to use him in part of a deal to get Daniel Wells or Ryan Griffen.....

So ridiculous. Lachie Hansen has played forward for all of something like 12 games.

 

[WillowSF]

I can't see the Hawks dealing on either Roughead or Young. If anyone is up for trade at the end of this season I think it's going to be Ellis, Lewis or Murphy. Would any of that trio attract interest?

 

[lionshine]

You, Essendon and Carlton are chasing Michael Rischitelli.

 

[spurs]

I can't see the Hawks dealing on either Roughead or Young. If anyone is up for trade at the end of this season I think it's going to be Ellis, Lewis or Murphy. Would any of that trio attract interest?

I would have a look at Lewis.What would the Hawks want?

 

[Joshen]

You, Essendon and Carlton are chasing Michael Rischitelli.

What would the Lions be after? He's just about winning your B&F so I don't think he'll be cheap. Aren't you guys looking for a crumbing forward?

 

[Basti28]

You, Essendon and Carlton are chasing Michael Rischitelli.

He knocked back an offer from Carlton last season, so I assume he is contracted. A very good player that won't come cheap. Essendon will throw the kitchen sink at Brisbane.

 

[lionshine]

What would the Lions be after? He's just about winning your B&F so I don't think he'll be cheap. Aren't you guys looking for a crumbing forward?

Your First Rounder and Matt Campbell!

 

[DarwinRoo]

You're dreaming

 

[Basti28]

You're dreaming

He'd cost that much and it's worth serious consideration. Essendon will throw pick 10-12 at the Lions.

 

[Tas]

A lot of negativity towards Taylor Walker here.... People need to understand the kid is still raw...

There is obviously a lot of love on this forum for Lachie Hansen, who I think is a very good player.... But if you look at the key stats for a forward I know who I would prefer to have:

Walker with 3 season in the system (pick 75, 2007 Draft):

30 games - 53 goals - 52 behinds (average goals per game 1.76)
Average Possesions per game: 9.96 touches.

Hansen with 4 seasons in the system (Pick 3, 2006 Draft):

48 games - 36 goals - 23 behinds (average goals per game .75)
Avg Possesion per game: 13.34

Taylor Walker does need to work on Defensive Pressure and some other aspects, but I think he has more upside than Hansen....

The main reason I showed the stats is to also show why comparing McKernan to Walker is crazy... McKernan has only played one game in his 2 seasons with the Crows...

I think that realistically, the Crows will only be looking to trade Knights (providing he wants to go home)..... Not sure what we would get for him, but if he wants to leave I would like the Crows to use him in part of a deal to get Daniel Wells or Ryan Griffen.....

You have to realise Hansen has played most of his career at CHB, he played junior both as a forward and defender but he played his best footy as a defender and has only gone forward for any real length of time this year.

Walker has been the target of 104 inside 50s and has taken 38 marks inside 50 and kicked 30.26, so he is marking 36.5% of the balls directed at him and has converted 28.8% of I50s directed at him into goals and he pretty much plays forward or nothing.

Hansen has been the target of 57 inside 50s and has taken 30 marks inside 50 and kicked 23.13, so he is marking 52.6% of the balls directed at him and has converted 40.4% of I50s directed at him and he does from time to time still rack up time in defence and sometimes at CHF.

Saying Walker has more of an upside I think is premature, Hansen didn't even have a goal kicking routine until a few weeks ago, he is still very raw in terms as a forward but he has a great pair of hands, is a good kick and when he starts to get the confidence his potential is huge.

 

[the smith show]

You have to realise Hansen has played most of his career at CHB, he played junior both as a forward and defender but he played his best footy as a defender and has only gone forward for any real length of time this year.

Walker has been the target of 104 inside 50s and has taken 38 marks inside 50 and kicked 30.26, so he is marking 36.5% of the balls directed at him and has converted 28.8% of I50s directed at him into goals and he pretty much plays forward or nothing.

Hansen has been the target of 57 inside 50s and has taken 30 marks inside 50 and kicked 23.13, so he is marking 52.6% of the balls directed at him and has converted 40.4% of I50s directed at him and he does from time to time still rack up time in defence and sometimes at CHF.

Saying Walker has more of an upside I think is premature, Hansen didn't even have a goal kicking routine until a few weeks ago, he is still very raw in terms as a forward but he has a great pair of hands, is a good kick and when he starts to get the confidence his potential is huge.

Great stats Tas! Where did you get these?

 

[Tas]

Great stats Tas! Where did you get these?

Pro-Stats.

 

[DarwinRoo]

He'd cost that much and it's worth serious consideration. Essendon will throw pick 10-12 at the Lions.

It's Michael Rischitelli FFS.

 

[the smith show]

Pro-Stats.

Thanks Tas