Mega Thread Trade Targets 2014

[Sam The Doc]

Ha ha. Terry Wallace the self proclaimed "List Manager guru".

Terry Wallace's performance at Richmond with first and second round picks:

2005
Jarrod Oakley Nichols
Cleve Hughes

2006
Jack Reiwoldt
Shane Edwards

2007
Trent Cotchin
Jordan McMahon

2008
Tyronne Vickery
Jayden Post

Two out of eight ain't bad! Ha ha.

No worth wasting your time discussing!

 

[Magruder]

Wallett is always looking to have a bet each way these days. Has a completely unwarranted "list manager" profile to protect as it earns him plenty through the media.

Any outcome where he can prevaricate and ultimately claim to be right is what he is after.

 

[jj1978]

I just keep coming back to Judd's buoyance about the team being on the same page. I keep coming back to leadership group comments about Robinson and Garlett having to earn trust. I feel that they feel they have very few opportunities to have some happiness at this club as they years tick by and the professionalism of certain players is finally taking hold. If you are not on board, there is no place for you. No more flawed excitement machines who are just as likely to drop their heads and let you down when it counts.

Certainly the club statements pre-trade period about being keen to move them on speak volumes. I'm not sure this is Garlett leaving and Carlton hoping he stays. I think it's mutual. We may hold on to one if we can get nothing done, but I think they'd be on the outer a little.

Pickering (Garletts manager) on SEN a couple of nights ago said Carlton basically told Garlett a few months ago is that he would be let go/traded... didn't seem to be a case that he wanted to leave but more that we had enough.

 

[ShanDog]

SOMEONE DO SOME BLOODY TRADES

 

[etsal1]

Pickering (Garletts manager) on SEN a couple of nights ago said Carlton basically told Garlett a few months ago is that he would be let go/traded... didn't seem to be a case that he wanted to leave but more that we had enough.

Yeh, cause Pickering is squeaky clean.

 

[Artie Bucco]

Yup. We're making a stand on behaviour and attitude. I also think some of our senior players don't want to carry others anymore. All working hard, everybody on the same page, on field, on the track and off field.

As it should be, it was pretty obvious that around mid season something happened at the club. There was definitely a shift in attitude and teamwork, we're beginning to build a great culture at the club.

 

[GordonBlue]

If he is on Carlisle, then he is a monter. Andrew Walker is the quintessential monter and Carlisle is the vehicle.

French Verb

monter

1. to go up, to climb (go to a higher position)
2. to ascend, go higher, go uphill, go upstairs
3. to get on, get in (a vehicle)
4. to rise (get to a higher figurative position (socially, or in a league/division etc.))
5. to stage, put on (a show)
6. to ride (a horse)
7. to mount (a horse)
8. to bring up, take up, put up, get up (lift or carry something to a higher position)

All of the above. Almost Freudian.

It is just unfair to any kid to suffer the pain AW1 can deliver

 

[El Topo]

Wallace also wants St Kilda to trump us for Jaksch. He also thinks Jaksch is a good fit for us.

So don't give up Pick 7. Saints to outbid us. Us to somehow still get him because we need him.

I think Wallace is looking to have a shot at us either way.

Wallace is a goose but I think he's correctly summed up the situation. We have a strong interest in gaining KJ. We have a strong interest in retaining pick #7. Pick #7 is too much to pay for KJ. We should not be so desperate as to throw the baby out with the bathwater in trying to secure a trade. At the same time, the Saints are in prime position to swoop if they think that KJ would be part of their future plans. Nothing too ridiculous or controversial here.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Trade hypothetical..

Christensen & pick 14 for pick 7
Jaksch and 21 for pick 14

Might have to throw pick 28 into it to get the Geelong part of the deal over the line, but with the cats vulnerable it might just work..

So we get Christensen, Jaksch and McKenzie with pick 21 and solve our outside run issues and get 2x KPP

 

[Beer n Skittles]

yeah nah... not what I'm saying.

Taking 2008, (simply because it suits my argument TBH), I'm saying there at at least 9 very good players taken BETWEEN 20 and 40 with Sloane at 44.

Using a range rather than a specific pick allows us to see beyong bias of individual recruiters and specific club needs to perceive value available at the relevant pick. I will conceed that it is skewed somewhat by the views and opinions that informed earlier selections in that draft.

Simply taking the result attached to a specific pick is even bigger bullshit.

2008 was one of the best drafts ever, it's probably not the best typical draft year to use. Even after the national draft: Rockliff picked in preseason draft. Breust, Suckling, De Boer, Blair, Delaney, Picken, Pyke, Keeffe, Broughton, Garlett were all first drafted in the rookie draft in early 2009.

 

[Florimo]

I see the Jaksch trade as abit of a crucial moment to see how our club goes in trade / draft season, whether we taken some steps to improve or still very bottom tier club. Last year gave us great hope with some very solid moves.

GWS accepting Hawthorns pick is a good sounding board. Other clubs would have rated JOR a little higher than what Hawthorn got him for, but he was very direct in how much he wanted to goto Hawthorn and was out of contract, and the cashed in with little risk for him at 19 - well done again Hawks.

Jakschs message to come to us has come across a little weaker than that (whether it was watered down through the media or he was keeping his options open).

I like him and want him 100%, but I think if we trade 7 for him (even if we get 19, 20 etc etc back) we have blinked and lost in this trade.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

One of the players on the outer is seemingly pushing to earn back trust and become a better player for next season. Hint.....its not garlett.

Seeing the work Robbo is doing with a trainer in the gym and the hunger to prove himself since this all blew up, I hope we do give him another chance.

Has some high profile support.

 

[btemplar88]

Trade hypothetical..

Christensen & pick 14 for pick 7
Jaksch and 21 for pick 14

Might have to throw pick 28 into it to get the Geelong part of the deal over the line, but with the cats vulnerable it might just work..

So we get Christensen, Jaksch and McKenzie with pick 21 and solve our outside run issues and get 2x KPP

F*** NO

 

[Magruder]

2008 was one of the best drafts ever, it's probably not the best typical draft year to use. Even after the national draft: Rockliff picked in preseason draft. Breust, Suckling, De Boer, Blair, Delaney, Picken, Pyke, Keeffe, Broughton, Garlett were all first drafted in the 2008 rookie draft.

True, but 2008 suits my agument

When I have time it would be interesting to repeat with 2006,2007,2009, 2010 (I think drafts later than this may not give us an indication of medium term prospects.

 

[etsal1]

Seeing the work Robbo is doing with a trainer in the gym and the hunger to prove himself since this all blew up, I hope we do give him another chance.

Has some high profile support.

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Surely thats not actually Johno?

 

[inyourcool]

Excellent post Florimo, could not agree more.

On any scale of comparison, pick 7 should not be entering the equation for Jaksch. Let's see if the club holds its nerve!

 

[Sam The Doc]

Trade hypothetical..

Christensen & pick 14 for pick 7
Jaksch and 21 for pick 14

Might have to throw pick 28 into it to get the Geelong part of the deal over the line, but with the cats vulnerable it might just work..

So we get Christensen, Jaksch and McKenzie with pick 21 and solve our outside run issues and get 2x KPP

We would need to move to Qld to get Christensen.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Wallace is a goose but I think he's correctly summed up the situation. We have a strong interest in gaining KJ. We have a strong interest in retaining pick #7. Pick #7 is too much to pay for KJ. We should not be so desperate as to throw the baby out with the bathwater in trying to secure a trade. At the same time, the Saints are in prime position to swoop if they think that KJ would be part of their future plans. Nothing too ridiculous or controversial here.

He has said that we must get Jaksch, but is actively encouraging Saints to trump us, even to the point of getting angry with a Carlton supporter suggesting GWS should deal with us or Saints can take him for nothing in PSD.

I just get the message we are damned either way. He doesn't care if we miss out, he'll just bag us for it. If we get him and overpay, he'll bag us for it. He is strong that Jaksch is happy to go to either club so we have no leverage.

 

[Just Kreuzing]

Trade hypothetical..

Christensen & pick 14 for pick 7
Jaksch and 21 for pick 14

Might have to throw pick 28 into it to get the Geelong part of the deal over the line, but with the cats vulnerable it might just work..

So we get Christensen, Jaksch and McKenzie with pick 21 and solve our outside run issues and get 2x KPP

Only a possibility if we relocate to Queensland....

 

[coryne]

Trade hypothetical..

Christensen & pick 14 for pick 7
Jaksch and 21 for pick 14

Might have to throw pick 28 into it to get the Geelong part of the deal over the line, but with the cats vulnerable it might just work..

So we get Christensen, Jaksch and McKenzie with pick 21 and solve our outside run issues and get 2x KPP

Trade would involve Carlton relocating to QLD .....................


What I suggested yesterday was

Trade 1.
GCS Christensen
Geelong. #15

(Think that is realistic for Christensen)

Trade 2.
Geelong. #7
Carlton. #14 plus #15

(Geelong gets a x7 spot upgrade on their 1st rd selection for #15)

Trade 3.
GWS. #15
Carlton. Jaksch + #40 (just received from Hawthorn)

GWS get a pick pretty close to Jaksch's value and gives up a pick they won't use


So Carlton take into the draft #14, #28, #40 and #45

 

[Just Kreuzing]

We would need to move to Qld to get Christensen.

Hey, your too quick....

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Surely thats not actually Johno?

It's a private account.

There is a public instagram account for Johnson mitchjohnson398 though. Could be a fake, could just be his private account for friends only. Didn't think he was a Blues supporter however.

 

[tencentpiece]

Ofcourse we need mids, but we do need an adequate replacement for Waite..

Anybody who can get on the park 22+ rounds a year will be better than Waite. I think some people forget how much that guy got injured and suspended and how often he looked uninterested in the game.

 

[jimsta10]

Wallace also wants St Kilda to trump us for Jaksch. He also thinks Jaksch is a good fit for us.

So don't give up Pick 7. Saints to outbid us. Us to somehow still get him because we need him.

I think Wallace is looking to have a shot at us either way.

He's clearly not over the whole Tampling vs Buddy selection.

 

[Kramer1]

Seeing the work Robbo is doing with a trainer in the gym and the hunger to prove himself since this all blew up, I hope we do give him another chance.

Has some high profile support.

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Just have a feeling Robbo stays. Haven't felt this sure of something since we scooped the KPP pool back in 2010.