List Mgmt. Trade Targets 2016

[Hong-Kong Phooey]

I think potential delistings/trades will come from any of:

Mitchell
O'shea
Colquhoun
Monfries
Stewart
Butcher
Carlile
Schulz
Ah Chee
Houston
Hewitt
Toumpas (unfairly)

there is no way Toumpass will be delisted. He is clearly being told to work on certain parts of his game and earn his spot in the team. He is being taught a 'ken lesson'.

of the others

Mitchell - re-rookie
O'shea - trade or keep
Colquhoun - delist
Monfries - retain
Stewart - trade or keep
Butcher - keep or place onto rookie list
Carlile - retire
Schulz - retire
Ah Chee - trade or delist
Houston - no idea
Hewitt - no idea

so thats 3 delistees possibly 4 if butcher slides. Its always good to have certain players that are a 'break glass' only, and certain players that are developing. I put stewart, butcher and possibly even monfries in that break glass category.

 

[RangaInTeal]

4 Delistings and 1 Rookie
Mitchell
O'shea
Colquhoun
Carlile
Schulz

On thin Ice
*Stewart
*Ah Chee
*Butcher

Tradeable
Lobbe
Hartlett
Broadbent
Young

Hard calls need to be made

 

[mightypowerrrr]

Time to go unfortunately for both butcher and schulz and to avoid being light on in the key forward department, Majak Daw? Will come cheap and has potential. Can play forward and Ruck

 

[Jakksynn]

Time to go unfortunately for both butcher and schulz and to avoid being light on in the key forward department, Majak Daw? Will come cheap and has potential. Can play forward and Ruck

Majak daw is a list clogged. Never going to make it at the top level.

 

[strath39]

If Schulz and Butcher both likely to go, leaving us with only Dixon. Vickery for a couple years starts to make a lot of sense. While we can develop some future KPF

 

[Powerade 08]

Westhoff out and Cloke in is what I want to see. Vickery and Daw can't play.

 

[Arthur Dunger]

If Schulz and Butcher both likely to go, leaving us with only Dixon. Vickery for a couple years starts to make a lot of sense. While we can develop some future KPF

Not having either Butcher or Vickery makes more sense.

 

[Leaveit2charlie]

Cool, let's tank.

We don't need to tank we just need to play to our current standard.

 

[JUSTWORK]

Westhoff out and Cloke in is what I want to see. Vickery and Daw can't play.

not sure about Westhoff out, unless into the Maggies for a few weeks. Would gamble on Cloke at the right price if Shulzt retires

 

[philthy05]

If Schulz and Butcher both likely to go, leaving us with only Dixon. Vickery for a couple years starts to make a lot of sense. While we can develop some future KPF

We have been over this before. Vickery is a below average footballer who we would have to overpay for.

Why delist butcher, who would play for the minimum to add vickery who would cost us 450k+ to lure here?


If vickery was on our list the same people would be calling for us to delist him and saying we should target someone else.

 

[TeeKray]

We should stay the hell away from the trade table and get front row seats at the draft table.

The last two trade periods have seen us trade out first round picks for players who were supposedly the missing ingredients that would transform our side from good to great - and yet, we went backwards after getting Ryder and further backwards after adding Dixon.

Hit the draft hard and add some good young players with the aim of developing a team to have a genuine crack in three years time.

 

[jdeezy]

We should stay the hell away from the trade table and get front row seats at the draft table.

The last two trade periods have seen us trade out first round picks for players who were supposedly the missing ingredients that would transform our side from good to great - and yet, we went backwards after getting Ryder and further backwards after adding Dixon.

Hit the draft hard and add some good young players with the aim of developing a team to have a genuine crack in three years time.

I agree in the sense that we shouldn't be trading for any late-20s-instant-fix types, but GWS and GC are ripe for the plucking with talented youngsters who are essentially more ready to go, more known quantities versions of a draftee. Melbourne snagged Dom Tyson, Collingwood snagged Treloar, Carlton snagged half a side. All of those players are basically exactly the players they would've wanted to draft anyway, but with less chance of them becoming spuds. Those types of kids are who we should be actively pursuing, and we should be happy to offload draft picks and/or players that won't be there for the next premiership.

 

[Schulzenfest]

I agree in the sense that we shouldn't be trading for any late-20s-instant-fix types, but GWS and GC are ripe for the plucking with talented youngsters who are essentially more ready to go, more known quantities versions of a draftee. Melbourne snagged Dom Tyson, Collingwood snagged Treloar, Carlton snagged half a side. All of those players are basically exactly the players they would've wanted to draft anyway, but with less chance of them becoming spuds. Those types of kids are who we should be actively pursuing, and we should be happy to offload draft picks and/or players that won't be there for the next premiership.

Jake Barrett and James Stewart pls. Usually I scoff at optimistic trade suggestions like this, but in the circumstances we could legitimately probably get them both for a third with GWS wanting academy picks. Just need to convince them to want to come here.

 

[x_les_x]

Anyone keen on aaron black? Was good back in 2013 if we cut butcher and schulz retires

I tend to agree with going to the draft. We've kept bringing new first 22 players in the past few years;ryder dixon white etc and havent actually let the whole team settle. We have had to keep adjusting to ryder and dixon in particular. That being said picking up one single player isnt going to change the teams fitness or lapses in concentration

 

[Hellgood]

Westhoff out and Cloke in is what I want to see. Vickery and Daw can't play.

Cloke's had a far worse and more inconsistent year than Westhoff. It's not a positive move.

 

[Hong-Kong Phooey]

Raid the gws is what we gotta do. Use any means possible. Austin, cornes, ken, anyone that knows anyone.

Use our top pick if needed to get two for one deals, just rejuvenate this stagnating list. Good guys need to go too.

 

[Lagooner]

Raid the gws is what we gotta do. Use any means possible. Austin, cornes, ken, anyone that knows anyone.

Use our top pick if needed to get two for one deals, just rejuvenate this stagnating list. Good guys need to go too.

Carlton's Plowman et al multi-trade seems pretty shrewd in retrospect, but I think we should keep our 1st rounder this year considering that it's likely to be Top 10 now.

But as they say open to suggestions. Top picks can be overvalued and as our 2014 draft demonstrated you can still do very well with late picks.

 

[raptalia]

We should stay the hell away from the trade table and get front row seats at the draft table.

The last two trade periods have seen us trade out first round picks for players who were supposedly the missing ingredients that would transform our side from good to great - and yet, we went backwards after getting Ryder and further backwards after adding Dixon.

Hit the draft hard and add some good young players with the aim of developing a team to have a genuine crack in three years time.

I agree in principle, however there are a couple of lesser deals that we could make. I think O'Shea is definitely surplus to our requirements but might attract some interest. Brendon Ah Chee is also out of contract at the end of 2016, not sure if there would be much interest but he might also be trade able. Maybe pick up a third round for one or both of these guys to partially compensate for the second round pick given up in the Dixon deal?

Apparently Tom Jonas is out of contract at the end of 2016 and has had feelers from interstate. Chances are he will not go but if he does decide to walk we may get a deal done.

We badly need another quality midfielder so I agree with Kane Cornes that we should go for the best available midfielder in the draft.

 

[Powerade 08]

Cloke's had a far worse and more inconsistent year than Westhoff. It's not a positive move.

Schulz and Butcher will be off the list. If we go into next year with the same plan to kick to Dixon 80% of the time, we're going to fall further down the ladder because that is very easy to defend. It'll burn Dixon out too.

Clokes not great but he either takes a big defender away from Dixon or he causes a lot of problems playing on a smaller defender. He's the best KPP available and he'll probably come cheap.

Lobbe I would be trying to swap for Cloke if possible. Westhoff probably has a bit of currency so he can go for a draft pick. Then we draft a good tall to develop over the next 3 years.

 

[philthy05]

Schulz and Butcher will be off the list. If we go into next year with the same plan to kick to Dixon 80% of the time, we're going to fall further down the ladder because that is very easy to defend. It'll burn Dixon out too.

Clokes not great but he either takes a big defender away from Dixon or he causes a lot of problems playing on a smaller defender. He's the best KPP available and he'll probably come cheap.

Lobbe I would be trying to swap for Cloke if possible. Westhoff probably has a bit of currency so he can go for a draft pick. Then we draft a good tall to develop over the next 3 years.

Where is the logic in your thinking. Westhoff is better forward than Cloke this year but bringing in Cloke for westhoff would help Dixon ?

Also pissing off lobbe for Cloke for like 1 yr is a huge waste of trade currency that will get us nowhere.

Also suggesting we delist butcher but bring in Cloke is ridiculous. Butcher is already offering more than Cloke much less in another years time when Cloke is even more of a broken statue in the f50. Jesus.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Schulz and Butcher will be off the list. If we go into next year with the same plan to kick to Dixon 80% of the time, we're going to fall further down the ladder because that is very easy to defend. It'll burn Dixon out too.

Clokes not great but he either takes a big defender away from Dixon or he causes a lot of problems playing on a smaller defender. He's the best KPP available and he'll probably come cheap.

Lobbe I would be trying to swap for Cloke if possible. Westhoff probably has a bit of currency so he can go for a draft pick. Then we draft a good tall to develop over the next 3 years.

So you're saying that we can't become too predictable by constantly kicking it to Dixon (which I agree with), but you're also advocating getting rid of every other tall forward on our list aside from a 20 year old currently recovering from an ACL injury?

And what would Collingwood want with Lobbe? They already have two better ruckmen than him and they're already shopping one of them around.

 

[Powerade 08]

So you're saying that we can't become too predictable by constantly kicking it to Dixon (which I agree with), but you're also advocating getting rid of every other tall forward on our list aside from a 20 year old currently recovering from an ACL injury?

Are there actually people who think Schulz and Butcher will get another year? lol. We could probably draft a first year tall that will give us similar output.

And what would Collingwood want with Lobbe?

I don't know, I'm just hoping we can offload him.

 

[philthy05]

Are there actually people who think Schulz and Butcher will get another year? lol. We could probably draft a first year tall that will give us similar output.


I don't know, I'm just hoping we can offload him.

A) are there seriously people who think we would offload an improving healthy butcher who is not in his prime on min coin so the only options we have are trade for a completely finished cloke or trade in and play a first year forward as you say

B) if you think a first yr forward would offer us more than Schulz or butcher next year you need to come back to reality. For example , how many forwards drafted last year are having an impact in their first year? The year before ? The year before ?

You would be lucky to find like 2 in the last 10 yrs who have done as you suggested and odds are they were a number 1 draft pick or similarly out of our reach.

 

[Adz2332]

Butcher should be kept but wont be. butcher should have been played when schulz went down but he wasnt. Schulz should be dropped this week and butcher kept in but they wont.
Not sure if the current group of selectors / coaches are to stubborn or just plain stupid

 

[Forzaport]

Who would be our realistic free agent targets?

Armfield (utility), both Browns (KPDs), de Boer (inside mid), Mayne (fwd), Pearce (outside mid), Vickery (ruck/fwd)??

Would any of these players warrant a spot over the incumbents in our 2017 R1 team?