Trade Targets

[Vdubs]

this Jonathan Patton is supposedly gonna be the next Travis Cloke/Drew Petrie. I guess GWS will snag him, that Ablett compensation pick isn't number 1 is it

Jonny Patton is a gun. I work at Eastern and he would be a #1 pick if I've ever picked one. Big, strong, fast, clever, massive and accurate kick. Great work ethic. GWS have a winner

 

[Turbocat]

this Jonathan Patton is supposedly gonna be the next Travis Cloke/Drew Petrie. I guess GWS will snag him, that Ablett compensation pick isn't number 1 is it

bobby the Ablett comp pick we have left would never be and was never meant to equate to #1. We originally had two picks , one which had a value of around p11 depending on other comp/proirty picks, this has been traded for P15= Smedts
The seconds value is dependent upon our finish position the year we nominate it. Its best value would come from us finishing last, which is most unlikely. Its worst value may blow out to something in the low 20's if we won the flag, again dependent on comp/priority picks

As to how valuable this pick is for trade purposes is again not clear.

The one thing that i clear is 2012 is a very good draft. If nominate its use , a pick in the 20's may well be like a 10-15 in a normal draft. Think Steve Johnson @24 in 2001 or even Mitch Duncan @28 in 2009 and one can see a pick in the 20's is still capable of returning a talented player. So , we will have the chance to draft a very good player no matter what its value is re our finishing position, and to use it as trade value we would have to very,very sure of getting a high end player.

 

[rocker_oz33]

geelong should at least get a top 10 for gazz with these second pic.how long would they have to wait to get a top 10 pick? to bloody long .

anyway do you think the club will look at H-mac from north l only ask if dawson is ment to be the next #1 ruck he has'nt got many games this season.

 

[CatTricks]

pass on Hmac..injury prone

Simpson with West/Vardy/Bathie is the future

 

[Pure_Ownage]

We have enough older players on our list already. HMac is a very good ruckman but he's also 27. We shouldn't be trading in anyone over 25 at this point in our list cycle.

 

[dylan123]

We have enough older players on our list already. HMac is a very good ruckman but he's also 27. We shouldn't be trading in anyone over 25 at this point in our list cycle.

Considering how long it takes ruckman to mature, wouldn't he be handy to have on the list for ~5 odd years in which time Vardy, Simpson, West and Bathie will all be hitting their prime?

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Considering how long it takes ruckman to mature, wouldn't he be handy to have on the list for ~5 odd years in which time Vardy, Simpson, West and Bathie will all be hitting their prime?

Not really.

Simpson and West aren't exactly babies, they are ready (at least physically) to go now so we don't necessarily need a buffer while they develop. Need to play them and find out if they're up to it.

Anyway my point against guys of McIntosh's age, is when you're about to have as much list turnover as we are, what's the point in paying an arm and a leg (which is what he would cost, North would never give him cheap) for a guy who is likely to be almost retired by the time you're at the peak of your ability to compete for grand finals etc? If McIntosh was younger or inexpensive fine, but he is neither, and as such the wrong fit for us atm.

 

[Turbocat]

Im still of the belief , that our targets should be the GC kids that we like and fit our needs. Guys like McKenzie will fit into any ones side right now , that leg is a weapon. But its unlikely we will get a kids getting games so Caddy,Toy etc should be talked to.

But after them Id be very hesitant about trading for guys that will cost a bundle , next year when FA kicks in then we may change our approach.

I think they did the right thing with Drum , it didn't work , bad luck etc and move on. So if we can spot an unloved that we may be able to do a win/win trade or get for a late pick then OK. For instance , Bate seems unloved at Melbourne which I find interesting as when I've watched him he seems talented. Would he be a good fit here? He has the hair , thats a good start. I bet he'd look better with our guys around him. Late pick or like for like he'd be worth a go.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Drum was a good trade his body just couldn't cope. We paid very little for him in the context of what went at the back end of that draft and he fitted a list need (which we still have to fill, more young defenders please).

Bate is reasonable but how old is he? Besides I would have thought the last thing we need is another mid sized forward.

I suspect being in and out of the side and not looking happy that Toy might be thinking to come back home, but it'd be a hard trade for us to do because you couldn't PSD him and they'd want more than what his form is worth (R1 at least). McKenzie would be lovely but unattainable although I'd definitely have a go. Not sure of Flanagan's contract status but I have liked him, unseen due to injury but very skilled player.

I'd be interested in their rucks given our list needs but I suspect what will happen is they'll all stay for next year to see who can become Smith's lock in number 2 (Fraser will be done by the end of next year if he isn't already) and whoever gets stuck 3 or lower will seek a trade in 12 months time. That said, would still be worth enquiring to Nicholls management. Lynch I'd love too but would be very hard to do.

When you look at the guys that GC are likely to delist-Moss Stanley Daye Patrick Stanlake etc types, there's not a lot that would fill an obvious need for us.

Be interested in any other quality young talls that come on the market or locals looking to come back home.

I don't think we'll go that hard this trade week unless someone requests us, besides it would be useful to keep some powder dry for when Dangerfield's OOC at the end of next year. Then Free Agency after that.

 

[Vdubs]

We have enough older players on our list already. HMac is a very good ruckman but he's also 27. We shouldn't be trading in anyone over 25 at this point in our list cycle.

What age was Jolly when he went to Pies?

I'll be happy if we can keep Simpson, Bathie promoted, and West. Along with Vardy and Hawkins, we look to have a good future. All hangs on Ottens doing the right thing.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

What age was Jolly when he went to Pies?

I'll be happy if we can keep Simpson, Bathie promoted, and West. Along with Vardy and Hawkins, we look to have a good future. All hangs on Ottens doing the right thing.

Jolly point is fair, but with the transition we're about to have (several retirements a year for the next 4 years) while we'll still be competitive, I don't expect us to be in real flag contention until then, so it makes sense to play the young guys now and develop them, and if it hasn't worked by that time, then look to trade in someone of that age.

I agree with your thoughts, apart from Hawkins as a ruck option.

The others are good, we will be thin next year if we get ruck injuries or their bodies can't go the whole year (i.e. get tired) but they all have shown talent and we need to play them.

 

[David the Cat]

If theres consideration of Bate, you would look at Sylvia first I would think. Out of contract, 25, around 187 I think, gets 20 possessions per game and can kick goals.

Would look a better option than Bate, though I have nothing against him either. OF course, you wonder if GWS are looking at the Dees now...a club in disarray.

The vultures will circle....

 

[Pure_Ownage]

The difference is Sylvia would cost a heck of a lot more than Bate though, who is on the outer and would come quite cheap. I checked and he's actually only 23 which is younger than I thought. Good player, although as I said I question whether mid sized forwards is really a pressing need for us to fill, although he does play tall for a player of that size. Any trades we do really need to focus on replenishing our defence, particularly talls, but defenders period. I know Guthrie will start there and Poodle's showing promise and hyphen too, and Weston shows glimpses, but we need to focus on defence in particular with the current backline being largely over 25, both small and tall as well as adding more quality talls generally IMO. Wouldn't say no to more pace and skilled runners of course but that'd be what I'd be particularly targeting. That said, Wellsy knows what he's doing, far be it from me to tell him what to focus on.

 

[rocker_oz33]

do you guys think the cats will get jed bews and this other young guy in stringer? not the one on the rookie list but the other one both 17 yo (l think).l my self dont think it a good idea trading in two 17yo kids one would be alright.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Bews yes, just a question of what pick we have to use on him.

Stringer no, apart from journos making assumptions simply because he trained here for a week, due to his injury, GWS won't be able to extract maximum value for him, which is what they want. Probably only 2 guys will go in the mini draft (they'll keep 2 picks for next year), one will obviously be OMeara, and the other Kennedy or Crouch who both have more currency than Stringer due to Stringer's injury.

 

[thegerman]

do you guys think the cats will get jed bews and this other young guy in stringer? not the one on the rookie list but the other one both 17 yo (l think).l my self dont think it a good idea trading in two 17yo kids one would be alright.

Most definitely. If he isn't on their radar, I will lose faith in the recruiting team.

Well ok, only a little bit, they've got a lot of runs on the board. Alas, I highly doubt that Bews won't be picked by GFC.

 

[CatTricks]

Bewsy snr would disown the youngn if he didnt wear the hoops

 

[Turbocat]

As far Bews goes, as they club are playing him for 3 games in the VFL one can assume he has not been missed and if they do not draft him its because he is not up to it , in their opinion. I think he will be taken with their last pick.


PO , as far as Bate goes. I just see him as a talented player who has probably under performed. Why? Is it the team , environment , attitude... not sure but I do see him as a player who could come in to our best 22. When I watched him the u18 , I thought of him of a SJ type.He was a clever player and if we could get him cheep , offer him the chance of a settled successful club but also make it clear that the Geelong way is the only way etc. Look at Collingwood and they a re brilliant at topping up. Did they really need Krakour. No but they took him anyway. Bate would be a good addition for us, imo.

 

[Rellik666]

Patrick Dangerfield for the GAz pick....

 

[Pure_Ownage]

As far Bews goes, as they club are playing him for 3 games in the VFL one can assume he has not been missed and if they do not draft him its because he is not up to it , in their opinion. I think he will be taken with their last pick.


PO , as far as Bate goes. I just see him as a talented player who has probably under performed. Why? Is it the team , environment , attitude... not sure but I do see him as a player who could come in to our best 22. When I watched him the u18 , I thought of him of a SJ type.He was a clever player and if we could get him cheep , offer him the chance of a settled successful club but also make it clear that the Geelong way is the only way etc. Look at Collingwood and they a re brilliant at topping up. Did they really need Krakour. No but they took him anyway. Bate would be a good addition for us, imo.

I think we'll definitely take Jed, what pick we'll see.

On Bate, you make some fair points, and he was good last year and this year seems to be on the outer. I just question what need he would fill to the extent that he would get regular games, but given this draft is what it is, I definitely wouldn't say no to giving him a go with a late pick or PSD.

 

[cynical]

Trading 101

Trade out dont trade in unless the deal is very favourable or you have a glaring deficiency (and close to a premiership).

I'd prefer kids over inconsistent overrated players like dangerfield. When you trade for a guy like him the cost is on his best potential not his true value.

We have enough talented kids who will take over from the seniors. Trading in will just mean that one of them might sit in the VFL instead of playing seniors.

 

[meto]

As far Bews goes, as they club are playing him for 3 games in the VFL one can assume he has not been missed and if they do not draft him its because he is not up to it , in their opinion. I think he will be taken with their last pick.


PO , as far as Bate goes. I just see him as a talented player who has probably under performed. Why? Is it the team , environment , attitude... not sure but I do see him as a player who could come in to our best 22. When I watched him the u18 , I thought of him of a SJ type.He was a clever player and if we could get him cheep , offer him the chance of a settled successful club but also make it clear that the Geelong way is the only way etc. Look at Collingwood and they a re brilliant at topping up. Did they really need Krakour. No but they took him anyway. Bate would be a good addition for us, imo.

Bate is the type of player that could step up in a better club and team environment, IMO.
Always thought he had something special the little I've seen, I think its his agility combined with a strong body.

I looked at the MFC player list and he's 192 and 91, a mature tall/medium, as it stands we have only two medium fwds Johnson and Menzel, as compared to 4-5 small fwds. Chapman, Varcoe, Byrnes, Stokes and Christiansen and Motlop even Cowan.

A third genuine medium would strengthen the list and create more options to the coaching staff.
As we've seen the versitility and size of Menzel allows us to play him in defence at times.
Bate may also have similar strings to his bow, I would not be unhappy if we took him onboard, and his age fits well for the immediate future.

 

[rocker_oz33]

is just me or over this season and next there has been some really good young talls burst on to the scene all have gone to the new teams.in z smith,dixon and lynch and giles and Jonathan Patton to name a few.prob more so in years gone by.

 

[keen cats fella]

How about trading for Jacob Surjan from Port? Reportedly wanting out of Port, and could be that shut down, back pocket we've needed for a while.

I don't think Hunt is accountable enough sometimes and what I've seen of Jacob Surjan has been impressive. He just needs to get on the park

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Depending on price maybe. Can play, obviously issues behind the scenes there. Probably going to go home to WA though you'd think.

There's also the issue that other than Harry and Poodle, our defence is all over 25, so do we really need to get another not young player in there?