List Mgmt. Trade Week 2016 - Live Thread

[SpaceClef]

11 out of 60, an amazing strike rate.

I can guarantee that half of them won't make it to 10 years either.

Of course there are odd exceptions like Adam Goodes and James Hird, but if you had the choice between a 3rd rounder or an established first 22 player at a top 4 club with multiple B+Fs (including this year) - the choice is not a choice.

FFS

See

I'm more than happy to trade a third rounder for Mitchell - that wasn't my argument.

It was more directed to various comments on here from people suggesting that getting a good player in the draft is like searching for a needle in a haystack.

Also, it's not out of 60 - I didn't go all the way to 66 for each year, just threw in Menegola as an example of someone who was taken even later than the 50s.

If you want to be a real pedantic prick about it, it's more like 8 out of 30 (taking into consideration only the picks in the 50s), which is a ****ing fantastic strike rate, in my opinion.

 

[TheGhostOfJohnBelushi]

Perhaps whatever compensation pick we get for Mitch Brown (we get a pick, right? lol) will be used to trade for Mitchell?

Can that be done? Even if Hawthorn picked up Brown?

 

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

If we pull this off I would argue that we are now dynamic with our trading.

 

[Biggie]

If we pull this off I would argue that we are now dynamic with our trading.

Careful.

We don't want that to get out.

 

[JordanWCE]

Careful.

We don't want that to get out.

Quick, someone get Petrie and Ballantyne on the phone.

 

[Forward Press]

FFS

See

Fair enough, I just gone by your last post.

I doubt the club would part with a first or even second rounder. We may call him Crazy Vozzo but hopefully he's sane enough to see that it's not required for a player that Hawthorn seem intent on moving on quickly.

 

[JohnW]

I'm stoked with the Mitchell deal, but I really think people on here underestimate the draft way too much.

Not saying these blokes are guaranteed 10 year players, but they've all showed a lot of promise:

• C Daniel (pick 46)
• C Gregson (47)
• S Collins (55)
• S Menegola (66)
• J Nelson (51)
• O McDonald (53)
  
• E Langdon (54)
• D Byrne-Jones (52)
• O Fantazia (55)
• J Sicily (56)
  
• J Hunt (57)

That's 11 good to very good players taken between 46-66 in the past three years, which is a better hit rate than you blokes are making it out to be.

Not respecting later draft picks has been one of the reasons why the club has mediocre depth IMO

11/60 equals a fail

 

[Keys]

Wow. Has taken be an hour to catch up with this thread

Firstly, Hagdorn broke a legit story which is surely the biggest surprise in all of this

Mitchell will be a marvellous acquisition for this club - plenty of people at Hawthorn have expressed that Mitchell has an elite football brain. He will do wonders for our young mids and he'll be a welcome inclusion in our coaching ranks once he finishes playing in a year or two.

Great person to have at our club.

The club deserves a fair bit of credit for this. Sure the Mitchell playing at West Coast is Clarkson's idea but it stemmed from us having the foresight to get in Mitchells ear 12 months ago to sow the seeds for him to join us an assistant - it shows that the club does play the long game and starts working on things well before we hear about them. Getting him to play for us is a bonus and whilst not our idea, is a by-product of our earlier foresight

Now the big question that will shape attitudes to Mitchell coming to our club - what do we trade.

We are getting a player for one year, maybe two, albeit a champion. That has to be factored in as it's a very short term benefit on field. Also Hawthorn aren't doing this for draft picks, they are doing it for salary cap relief. Our first and second rounders should be ruled out unless theres something coming back that is close in value.

Maybe our 2nd and 4th round picks for Mitchell and their 2nd round pick.

I can understand Hawthorn supporters being shattered by this because Mitchell is a club legend and arguably their 2nd greatest player ever behind Matthews so even though they're off the mark asking for Darling or pick 12 etc they would be hurting so those suggestions aren't surprising.

Something like this doesn't see the light of day unless a deal is close so I expect it to get done and will wait with interest to see how it plays out

Great news with the qualification of what we ultimately give up in a trade

 

[ziad]

Mitchell has stated he wants to play for one year not two.We are not going to give much for a player ,good as he; is to play one year!!Im more excited for the experience he brings to the club.Imagine how much Duggan,Partington Nelson etc can learn off him.The other thing is how can Mitchell and Priddis play in the same side.??we are slow enough as is.

You seem to understand to an extent

 

[Biggie]

STFU up Keyser Soze

 

[SpaceClef]

11/60 equals a fail

You are a fail

 

[Biggie]

You are a fail

#aggressive

 

[garlic munchers]

I personally think our window is open...

I have flagged Murdoch from Cats and Cunningham from Swans as low cost types that can add to the midfield mix... types who are shuey like in their explosiveness...

But I believe unless Swallow is available we must keep our first and second draft picks and draft pure mids.

Well it looks as if we may have a cheap mid on the way.

Won't happen but if M.McGovern was added for 12 then we might need to put fly screens on them windows.

 

[SpaceClef]

#aggressive

#aggressivelylickmyscrotum

I should probably get back to work.

 

[dajesmac]

If we pull this off I would argue that we are now dynamic with our trading.

There's no doubt we have been trading aggressively to improve our midfield: Yeo, Jetta, Redden and Mitchell in the last 3-4 years, with the latter two being particularly left field (non-WA).

Talk about Ballantyne and Petrie definitely didn't fill me with confidence but Mitchell & Petrie I could definitely tolerate.

 

[YippeeYiYeo]

Not for our first round.

we should be giving up our 3rd round at best. He should come to us for nothing via Free Agency at the ripe old age of 34. If we give up our 2nd rounder Clarko will be laughing at how unbelievably stupid we are.

 

[eaglesnutcase]

Fair enough, I just gone by your last post.

I doubt the club would part with a first or even second rounder. We may call him Crazy Vozzo but hopefully he's sane enough to see that it's not required for a player that Hawthorn seem intent on moving on quickly.

In the interview with Mitchell, he squashed the two year deal rumours.He said the Eagles approached him a year ago and first started talking.Clarko came to him and suggested he look at going West if he wanted to look at a coaching career.Clarko was apparently talking as a close friend,but im sure in the back oif his mind was the thought of freeing up some salary cap.Everybody is happy so i think it will be third round pick at best!If your nudging away an aging club champion and you need salary space you dont have much room to negotiate.How much do you pay for one year of footy from a 34yr old?

 

[eagles rule]

We'll take Mr Mitchell. Thank you very much.

Don't tell PortAdelaide this..[emoji4]


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[dajesmac]

The club deserves a fair bit of credit for this. Sure the Mitchell playing at West Coast is Clarkson's idea but it stemmed from us having the foresight to get in Mitchells ear 12 months ago to sow the seeds for him to join us an assistant - it shows that the club does play the long game and starts working on things well before we hear about them. Getting him to play for us is a bonus and whilst not our idea, is a by-product of our earlier foresight

I don't think when Mitchell said it was Clarkson's idea he meant he approached West Coast. I think he just meant Clarkson approached Mitchell following discussions with Simpson. So it's very likely IMO that we are the ones initiating this.

 

[FatPizza]

#aggressivelylickmyscrotum

I should probably get back to work.

I'd rather a #handjobe.

 

[ChampRevesby]

I don't think when Mitchell said it was Clarkson's idea he meant he approached West Coast. I think he just meant Clarkson approached Mitchell following discussions with Simpson. So it's very likely IMO that we are the ones initiating this.

Absolutely. I'm sure if we didn't approach Mitchell and the Hawks 12 months ago this wouldn't even be a thing at the moment. That is some long game and pretty aggressive. Props to Crazy Voz and the team. Now lets get it done.

 

[Quinz]

There's no doubt we have been trading aggressively to improve our midfield: Yeo, Jetta, Redden and Mitchell in the last 3-4 years, with the latter two being particularly left field (non-WA).

Talk about Ballantyne and Petrie definitely didn't fill me with confidence but Mitchell & Petrie I could definitely tolerate.

Not to mention that after this year our first rounder will have gone to a midfielder in all of the last four years. The idea from some people around here that our coaching staff doesn't know that our midfield is our weakness or that we haven't been trying to improve it is nonsense.

 

[06Premiers]

#aggressivehandjobe ?

#handjobe

 

[ChampRevesby]

#aggressivehandjobe ?

#handjobe

This still a thing?

 

[Biggie]

#aggressivelylickmyscrotum

I should probably get back to work.

Same as me.

haha