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It was also revealed in the paper today that rookie, Brodie Martin, was our fastest player in the 20m sprint :thumbsu:
 
Farmy said:
When I see a player like Andrew Mcleod break the pack and run at goal its inspirational.

When I see Chris Judd do it, not so much.

He has no heart, he isn't a true footballer, its no more than a job to him.

You can see it in the way he plays, its mechanical, like a robot.
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Lay off it, the only problem with Judd is he's not playing for us. :)

Other teams are allowed to have good players - it makes beating them that much more meaningful.
 
Coopers said:
Lay off it, the only problem with Judd is he's not playing for us. :)

Other teams are allowed to have good players - it makes beating them that much more meaningful.
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Don't get me wrong, I'd love it if he played for the crows, he is a great player, but he is at the same time a mechanical player, there is no passion in him, all you have to do is see him on the podium when West Coast won the 2006 Grandfinal, he could barely crack a smile.
 

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Farmy said:
Don't get me wrong, I'd love it if he played for the crows, he is a great player, but he is at the same time a mechanical player, there is no passion in him, all you have to do is see him on the podium when West Coast won the 2006 Grandfinal, he could barely crack a smile.
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Its not Chris' fault he wasn't playing for a club he had no passion for, he was playing for a club that was rife with drugs, his team-mates associated with the criminal underworld, he had gained his captaincy after the former captain ran away from a booze bus, it was clearly a club he had no passion for, give him a chance at a different club and he may find that passion.
 
Crow*Girl said:
It was also revealed in the paper today that rookie, Brodie Martin, was our fastest player in the 20m sprint :thumbsu:
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Thanks for that:thumbsu:. That's really interesting. From the video on the website he looks like a real smooth mover, so fingers crossed he can continue to improve and make it onto the main list.
 
James_37 said:
Its not Chris' fault he wasn't playing for a club he had no passion for, he was playing for a club that was rife with drugs, his team-mates associated with the criminal underworld, he had gained his captaincy after the former captain ran away from a booze bus, it was clearly a club he had no passion for, give him a chance at a different club and he may find that passion.
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That's ridiculous. I'm a fan of Judd, I think he's great, but what you just suggested is ridiculous.
 
crowman_23 said:
That's ridiculous. I'm a fan of Judd, I think he's great, but what you just suggested is ridiculous.
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Actually, i think that's a pretty good (theoretical) suggestion. He couldn't have been enjoying being the face of a club with so much trouble, so he'd just turn up, play to the best of his abilities, take the money, go home, change clubs when he could.
 
Farmy said:
When I see a player like Andrew Mcleod break the pack and run at goal its inspirational.

When I see Chris Judd do it, not so much.

He has no heart, he isn't a true footballer, its no more than a job to him.

You can see it in the way he plays, its mechanical, like a robot.
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You can't be serious! :eek:
 

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jenny61_99 said:
You can't be serious! :eek:
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When Chris Judd retires from playing football, (which may be alot sooner than people think) he most likely won't have anything to do with football afterwards.

I can't believe no one else notices how mechanically he plays, sure its good and effective, but there is no passion or heart there, hes playing like its a job and nothing more. And thats fine for him to do that, but it means he won't ever be in the same league and some of the games greats.

Midfielders are also a dim a dozen, even the better ones.
 
deaneus said:
Actually, i think that's a pretty good (theoretical) suggestion. He couldn't have been enjoying being the face of a club with so much trouble, so he'd just turn up, play to the best of his abilities, take the money, go home, change clubs when he could.
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Judd didn't have to be the Captain of the club, he didn't have to still be in West Coast when they won the flag if he didn't want to. According to many interviews not long after Judd announced he was leaving he had already told a few players like Cox and Kerr his decision because they had such a good friendship. If he has no passion playing with his mates it isn't guaranteed he will ever find that passion. As Farmy has said, Football doesn't take up all of Judd's life, and I wouldn't be surprised if he has nothing to do with it when he's finishe either.

Farmy makes some good points about doing everything without much emotion. I still personally think Judd is an out and out superstar, and that could just be the way he is. My whole thing was blaming the way he acted on not being passionate about the club is IMO ridiculous. No one holds the premiership cup aloft on the podium and is unhappy because they didn't want to captain the club, or are not passionate about the club.
 
Farmy said:
When Chris Judd retires from playing football, (which may be alot sooner than people think) he most likely won't have anything to do with football afterwards.

I can't believe no one else notices how mechanically he plays, sure its good and effective, but there is no passion or heart there, hes playing like its a job and nothing more. And thats fine for him to do that, but it means he won't ever be in the same league and some of the games greats.

Midfielders are also a dim a dozen, even the better ones.
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There are actually some cluey midfielders out there. ;)

I can't say I see Judd as mechanical & actually enjoy watching his exploive pace. Would have absolutely no issue with him playing with us!
 
Farmy:

I think only the man himself can really say wether he has passion or not.

You say his playing style is mechanical, but just because he takes his job very seriously it doesn't mean he has no passion in doing it. Some players passion is much more obvious than others but you don't really know the guy so I can't see how you can say he has no passion.
 
cammo84 said:
Farmy:

I think only the man himself can really say wether he has passion or not.

You say his playing style is mechanical, but just because he takes his job very seriously it doesn't mean he has no passion in doing it. Some players passion is much more obvious than others but you don't really know the guy so I can't see how you can say he has no passion.
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His personality and play don't exactly ooze passion.

Oh and he is a mercenary.
 

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He comes across as the kind of guy who realises there's more to life than footy, which is absolutely true. I remember reading an article he wrote about some environmental issue (can't recall what it was about). He seems to be a bit more of a thinker than your average player and probably already has some ideas about what he'll do after his career comes to an end, but I still don't think this means he has no passion in what he's currently doing.
 
crowman_23 said:
That's ridiculous. I'm a fan of Judd, I think he's great, but what you just suggested is ridiculous.
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I'm not necessarily saying thats the case, I also think Judd is a superstar and I don't necessarily believe it either, I'm just trying to throw a theory ot there on why he may not to Farmy, seem terribly passionate about his footy, as has been shown by his leaving the Eagles, he wasn't terribly passionate about playing for them, he may have had mates, but that doesn't mean the passion is there for the club and who can blame him really?

He also may not show passion ways that others do, he may display his passion in his meticulous preparation, doing the team things by keeping his cool and playing on despite injuries that might have lesser players on the side lines.
 
Farmy said:
Don't get me wrong, I'd love it if he played for the crows, he is a great player, but he is at the same time a mechanical player, there is no passion in him, all you have to do is see him on the podium when West Coast won the 2006 Grandfinal, he could barely crack a smile.
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Don't know about that. He willed his body through the latter half of last year and the first week of the finals when it was clear to all that his groin was stuffed and required surgery. And that was for a club he knew he was leaving.

You are correct though that he shows minimal outward emotion. Often this gets mistaken for disinterest or lack of passion. Bruce Doull, Mark Waugh, Nick Faldo, Pete Sampras... plenty of other sportspeople have copped similar criticism but I'm not sure whether any of it is justified. We don't know what is happening internally.
 
James_37 said:
I'm not necessarily saying thats the case, I also think Judd is a superstar and I don't necessarily believe it either, I'm just trying to throw a theory ot there on why he may not to Farmy, seem terribly passionate about his footy, as has been shown by his leaving the Eagles, he wasn't terribly passionate about playing for them, he may have had mates, but that doesn't mean the passion is there for the club and who can blame him really?

He also may not show passion ways that others do, he may display his passion in his meticulous preparation, doing the team things by keeping his cool and playing on despite injuries that might have lesser players on the side lines.
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I am not sure you can say he is dispassionate because he left the Weagles?? Jars left Hawthorn to come to us, yet was he dispassionate? Stinger left us to go to West Coast, Kane Johnson to Richmond (after winning two premierships).... neither of those could be accused of being dispassionate players. I think Judd is an exceptional player, one that comes along once in a lifetime. The fact that he gave so much of himself whilst playing on half a leg last year shows how much passion and dedication to the club the man had. As we now know, there was a lot going on at the club and I would think a perfectionist - like he appears to be - would struggle within an environment like that.
 
jenny61_99 said:
I am not sure you can say he is dispassionate because he left the Weagles?? Jars left Hawthorn to come to us, yet was he dispassionate? Stinger left us to go to West Coast, Kane Johnson to Richmond (after winning two premierships).... neither of those could be accused of being dispassionate players. I think Judd is an exceptional player, one that comes along once in a lifetime. The fact that he gave so much of himself whilst playing on half a leg last year shows how much passion and dedication to the club the man had. As we now know, there was a lot going on at the club and I would think a perfectionist - like he appears to be - would struggle within an environment like that.
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I didn't say he was dispassionate about the eagles, I said he wasn't terribly passionate about them, I'm sure there was passion, but he wasn't passionate enough to stay, like say a Mathew Pavlich has now become about the Dockers.
 
Hi guys,

Sorry to interupt but I am hoping for some info about Adelaide's training (pre-season mostly). I believe they have a run during the pre-season that they call the Goodwin Run?? They call it that because he always wins it I think. Has anyone heard of it or seen it??

I think it is sprints or strides over approx 100m in a specific time (20 sec's??) with limited recovery. I'm interested to know if anyone nows the details of how it works and secondly if Goodwin wins it all the time what score does he get. I'd like to try it.

Thanks in advance......that is of course someone has heard of it!!
 

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