Training Training Reports, Pics 2017

[Beer n Skittles]

Problem for Boekhorst is the number of forward/mid hybrids we have now. Other than Boekhorst we've got Wright, Armfield, Palmer, Smedts (not a natural defender), Sumner, Kerridge, Pickett, Thomas, Graham, Polson, SPS, Fisher, Murphy (latter three have all spoken over the offseason about playing forward).

We don't have much depth in small defenders so maybe he'll get a go there.

Edit - forgot DT

 

[Soapy V]

Let me try and bracket them and happy to be wrong:

Gone: Jones, Gorringe, Lamb, Gallucci = 4
On a knifes edge: Buckley, Graham, Boekhorst, ASilvagni, Jaksch, Korchek = 6
Possible to be let go or retire: Rowe, White, Thomas, Casboult = 4
Possible retirees: Simpson, Armfield = 2

There's 16 players just for starters, that may be hard to argue about not being there in 2018.

Sounds about right. My view:

Gone: Thomas Casboult Jones. Armfield (retire to coach)
Need major improvement: Gorringe Boekhurst Jaksch Buckley Graham G-Mac Korcheck Gallucci Lamb
Not needed? White Sheehan A.Silvagni Wright (all contracts are up)
Others: Gibbs (trade) Kruezer (needs a good year)

Look at it this way and there is still a lot of work to do.

I think Simpson will keep playing & Rowe is needed

 

[HARKER]

I think Simpson will keep playing & Rowe is needed

I feel the same way about these 2 but it's not nearly as hard as it should be to roll over another huge contingent.

Some will surprise and be granted another contract but as we've seen already......they'll need to work hard as hell to do so.

 

[Manchego Cheese]

Year.... not years.

Last year was his second year. Yes, yes yes he was recruited as mature.

http://www.blueseum.org/Stat+Shot:+B+Boekhorst

But last year was his second year and yes his pre-season showed 'PROMISE' particularly the Sydney game.

I was referring to years, plural, with reference to our formline as a club. Even with 20/20 vision we continue to look for more than a player is capable of delivering.

Boekhorst has good speed. He has poor endurance. His skills would be average at best. He can't find his own ball. He struggles in contested situations.

I want every player on our list to be a star, but I'm not blind to the reality that a great many are not and never will be the quality we need.

 

[Manchego Cheese]

Sounds about right. My view:

Gone: Thomas Casboult Jones. Armfield (retire to coach)
Need major improvement: Gorringe Boekhurst Jaksch Buckley Graham G-Mac Korcheck Gallucci Lamb
Not needed? White Sheehan A.Silvagni Wright (all contracts are up)
Others: Gibbs (trade) Kruezer (needs a good year)

Look at it this way and there is still a lot of work to do.

I think Simpson will keep playing & Rowe is needed

I'd add Galucci and Korcheck to the gone column. Gorringe is right on the cliff's edge, as are Boekhorst, Buckley, Graham and Jaksch.

I'd trade or otherwise be content to let Casboult leave (which seems to be what his one-year deal, which tips him into free agency, might allow).

 

[Soapy V]

I'd add Galucci and Korcheck to the gone column. Gorringe is right on the cliff's edge, as are Boekhorst, Buckley, Graham and Jaksch.

I'd like to see Gallucci get a run at it. Just can't get on the park. Is a good hard working & energetic FP when up and running. Only seen little bits of Korcheck so hard for me to tell.

 

[Coona Blues]

I'd like to see Gallucci get a run at it. Just can't get on the park. Is a good hard working & energetic FP when up and running. Only seen little bits of Korcheck so hard for me to tell.

Interesting you mention these two in a single post.
Starting to think that the club has high hopes for Korcheck. I was personally amazed when we re-rookied Gallucci in preference to a young ruck.
There were some highly rated young rucks (Goddard, Sweet, Olango.......) who were left lamenting after the rookie draft. We had traded in Pickett,
expect better output from Sumner (maybe more outside mid) rookied LeBois, drafted Polson, as well as having Wright. Even Den and Daisy, plenty of small forward options.

If Gallucci was that highly rated, he would not have been initially delisted. Korcheck named in NB's best on a couple of occasions, (with ordinary stats)
to those with the opportunity to watch, this suggests doing a lot right, competitive, hit outs to advantage, tackles, what do you make of it? A report
from Qld camp suggested the big Yank had dramatically improved his kicking (better action than Levi was mentioned).

Looking for logic SOS not put a foot wrong last 2 preseasons (except maybe salary dump on Lamb or possible Gorringe), struggling to read this one.

 

[Jabba73]

If Gallucci was that highly rated, he would not have been initially delisted. Korcheck named in NB's best on a couple of occasions, (with ordinary stats)
to those with the opportunity to watch, this suggests doing a lot right, competitive, hit outs to advantage, tackles, what do you make of it? A report
from Qld camp suggested the big Yank had dramatically improved his kicking (better action than Levi was mentioned).

My 4 year old daughter has a better kicking action than Levi, not setting the bar too high.

The problem is she cannot take a contested mark or find the footy unless she is in acres of space and uncontested. Not much chop at hit outs or providing a lead for the backline when they get cornered either. Guess we have to work with what we have got...

 

[Soapy V]

Interesting you mention these two in a single post.
Starting to think that the club has high hopes for Korcheck. I was personally amazed when we re-rookied Gallucci in preference to a young ruck.
There were some highly rated young rucks (Goddard, Sweet, Olango.......) who were left lamenting after the rookie draft. We had traded in Pickett,
expect better output from Sumner (maybe more outside mid) rookied LeBois, drafted Polson, as well as having Wright. Even Den and Daisy, plenty of small forward options.

I didn't think he would get re rookied but I was glad he did. SOS may well have thought their wasn't anything else woth trying? If the rucks were any good he would have picked one. After LeBois he picked up Gallucci & A.Silvagni so I'm not sure he saw much else.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Problem for Boekhorst is the number of forward/mid hybrids we have now. Other than Boekhorst we've got Wright, Armfield, Palmer, Smedts (not a natural defender), Sumner, Kerridge, Pickett, Thomas, Graham, Polson, SPS, Fisher, Murphy (latter three have all spoken over the offseason about playing forward).

We don't have much depth in small defenders so maybe he'll get a go there.

Edit - forgot DT

Boekhurst isn't a Mid/Fwd he's a pure winger

On SM-G935F using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[HBF]

I have this bad feeling like he'll end up being traded for a low pick or delisted and go on to be a decent player somewhere else. Like he needs the loss of the opportunity or to be rejected to really want it.

I don't share your same optimism Shan. The worst aspect of his game is his unwillingness to put his head over the footy when its his turn to go. I saw him pull out of at least two contests in 2016 when he was going to get body contact.

 

[HBF]

:tldr

You should have.
Some very valid points in there.

 

[thylacine60]

can confirm

 

[HBF]

I thought Boekhorst was great before he hurt himself. Sadly he doesn't seem very resilient but surely people see the talent.

Talent only gets you to a certain stage. Just not sure sure Boek has the "toughness" to play at AFL level.

 

[Manchego Cheese]

I'd like to see Gallucci get a run at it. Just can't get on the park. Is a good hard working & energetic FP when up and running. Only seen little bits of Korcheck so hard for me to tell.

Korcheck's issue is and always will be the same: time. There are so many little nuances to our game, technical skills and abilities that you must execute all at once, that make it difficult for mature aged guys to pick up. He's had no exposure to the game until 18-odd months ago and is coming from such a long way back getting decent footy out of him at VFL level would be extraordinary. He's too late to the game and will require patience that won't be rewarded.

What I saw of him last year was hardly revaltory. Marking was inconsistent. Skills poor. Decision making very stop start. The mechanics of the game demand a fluency I don't believe he'll be capable of. It doesn't matter what league or level you play at, the more guys you have incapable of contributing meaningfully no justifying their place in the side - the more guys others have to carry - the less competitive you'll be.

The Irish guys get it because the DNA of the two games is quite similar; in fact, one could argue the helter skelter, no stoppage nature of Gaelic football means your decision making under pressure must be exceptional. Therefore once they get to AFL some aspects of the game are actually a little slower for them.

 

[COBALT BLUE]

Trouble is we may well have cut much deeper if we had the means to fill the list with quality players.

No way we can cut 1/4 of the list several years in a row.

The list is where it is won and lost..
we dont have an academy with available recruits
our northern side has also been turned over every year and average,
We have stopped quick fixes and playing off a few elites..
We have a coach who trains the boys hard with a contemporary game plan......taking what we can
SOS will keep turning over the list..at least for another two years
Its going to be training and recruitment....perhaps for the sake of stability only short term
Like Bolts said reward for effort...we have a great club and faith should not be an issue

 

[Manchego Cheese]

The list is where it is won and lost..
we dont have an academy with available recruits
our northern side has also been turned over every year and average,
We have stopped quick fixes and playing off a few elites..
We have a coach who trains the boys hard with a contemporary game plan......taking what we can
SOS will keep turning over the list..at least for another two years
Its going to be training and recruitment....perhaps for the sake of stability only short term
Like Bolts said reward for effort...we have a great club and faith should not be an issue

I'd happily turn over another quarter of the list if those being cut simply aren't of the quality we need and the game demands. So what if we cut player A, who we know isn't up to to, and bring in player B, who we think might offer a little more? Worse case is we break about even.

 

[__Bobcat__]

It snows at Trentham, games get called off because players have frostbite and you can't see 35 metres across the ground. Need to call which end you kick it to and hope someone is listening and can find the pill.

I've played a game there, were you couldn't see 5 feet in any direction because of heavy fog!!!

 

[Beer n Skittles]

Boekhurst isn't a Mid/Fwd he's a pure winger

On SM-G935F using BigFooty.com mobile app

Bit strange that he is typically named and plays as a forward at AFL level then

 

[thylacine60]

Korcheck's issue is and always will be the same: time. There are so many little nuances to our game, technical skills and abilities that you must execute all at once, that make it difficult for mature aged guys to pick up. He's had no exposure to the game until 18-odd months ago and is coming from such a long way back getting decent footy out of him at VFL level would be extraordinary. He's too late to the game and will require patience that won't be rewarded.

What I saw of him last year was hardly revaltory. Marking was inconsistent. Skills poor. Decision making very stop start. The mechanics of the game demand a fluency I don't believe he'll be capable of. It doesn't matter what league or level you play at, the more guys you have incapable of contributing meaningfully no justifying their place in the side - the more guys others have to carry - the less competitive you'll be.

The Irish guys get it because the DNA of the two games is quite similar; in fact, one could argue the helter skelter, no stoppage nature of Gaelic football means your decision making under pressure must be exceptional. Therefore once they get to AFL some aspects of the game are actually a little slower for them.

I have to say, MC, when you put someone to bed it's for keeps.

 

[Juddafideslenko]

Boekhorst honestly gives me the impression that he couldn't give two shits if he has a successful AFL career or not (which is fine, it's not the life for everyone).

Reckon he'd be just as happy going back to Perth and rolling around in the WAFL whilst working on his hipster game after hours.

How so?
And hipster?...again how so?

 

[Funk]

Let me try and bracket them and happy to be wrong:

Gone: Jones, Gorringe, Lamb, Gallucci = 4
On a knifes edge: Buckley, Graham, Boekhorst, ASilvagni, Jaksch, Korchek = 6
Possibly to be let go: Rowe, White, Thomas, Casboult = 4
Possible retirees: Simpson, Armfield = 2

There's 16 players just for starters, that may be hard to argue about not being there in 2018.

If Thomas wants to go on he should offer to play for free............

 

[Old navy]

I don't share your same optimism Shan. The worst aspect of his game is his unwillingness to put his head over the footy when its his turn to go. I saw him pull out of at least two contests in 2016 when he was going to get body contact.

Not sure when you saw these two plays, but I will say Boekhorst really struggled when he came back after that wrist injury.
You could see he was really trying to protect it and he just looked nothing like the player who had 32 damaging touches Vs the Swans in a NAB cup game.
Really hoping he can make it, our midfield is in major need of players with leg speed and kicking skills.

 

[mediumsizered]

Talent only gets you to a certain stage. Just not sure sure Boek has the "toughness" to play at AFL level.

Neither Jeffy Garlett or Brad Hill have "toughness" yet both remain on AFL lists & one is a premiership player.

 

[PumpyChowdown]

Boekhorst is Kane Lucas 2.0.

The previous recruitment regime wholly ignored the mental aspects of the game, hence we acquired a bunch of skillful, yet lacking draftees. The new bunch seem to have their head screwed on the right way.