Transfer discussion thread

[Frank Bunn]

This is fairly common knowledge and was reported at the time that United balked at the buyout inclusion. And most United fans at the time (I still am) fine with that.

The buyout at the time was reported to be much lower than 63m. Guess we won't know for sure what it is until he leaves Dortmund.

What's your thinking of being fine with it?

 

[pantskyle]

What's your thinking of being fine with it?

What as in personally or the fan base? I'd never want United to accept a player with a guaranteed buyout included, I think that's a selling club mentality. Same reason I was fine with passing on the Reguillon deal. Why would anyone be happy with spending a few years making a player better just for someone else to be able to come in without negotiations and buy them for much less than they are worth?

Keep in mind at the time it was reported to be around 45m as the buyout, with agent fees there is also no way that Dortmund only spent 17m on Haaland. That might be what Salzburg got for him but you can chuck another 5-10m on top for Raiola's cut.

 

[Frank Bunn]

What as in personally or the fan base? I'd never want United to accept a player with a guaranteed buyout included, I think that's a selling club mentality. Same reason I was fine with passing on the Reguillon deal. Why would anyone be happy with spending a few years making a player better just for someone else to be able to come in without negotiations and buy them for much less than they are worth?

Keep in mind at the time it was reported to be around 45m as the buyout, with agent fees there is also no way that Dortmund only spent 17m on Haaland. That might be what Salzburg got for him but you can chuck another 5-10m on top for Raiola's cut.

It's hard to know all the numbers for a deal that never happened. Current reports state a £63m release clause. That would have been on the low side of his true value but would have locked in about £40m profit. A £45m clause would have been a shit deal but still locked in about £20m profit. Dortmund's £17.2m might have included the agent's fee.

A buyout clause is not a guarantee of a transfer. At any time United could negotiate a new deal with him, including after the release clause was activated that gave clubs permission to talk to him. If he decided to leave, there would still be an auction that determines his transfer value.

I don't think it's relevant about 'making a player better' with Haaland. You get the benefit of a top player player while he is with you. If he moves on, so be it.

 

[pantskyle]

It's hard to know all the numbers for a deal that never happened. Current reports state a £63m release clause. That would have been on the low side of his true value but would have locked in about £40m profit. A £45m clause would have been a sh*t deal but still locked in about £20m profit. Dortmund's £17.2m might have included the agent's fee.

A buyout clause is not a guarantee of a transfer. At any time United could negotiate a new deal with him, including after the release clause was activated that gave clubs permission to talk to him. If he decided to leave, there would still be an auction that determines his transfer value.

I don't think it's relevant about 'making a player better' with Haaland. You get the benefit of a top player player while he is with you. If he moves on, so be it.

You'd would find the clause would have to exist for the duration of the first signed deal unless otherwise stated.
It's Raiola, I'd stake quite a lot that the 17m did not include the agent fees.

Regardless of all that, I stand by United on turning away this type of deal.

FWIW at the time this is what Marca reported - https://www.marca.com/en/football/international-football/2019/12/30/5e0a149f46163f38768b4636.html with quite a lot of outlets stating 10m plus alone in agent fees.

 

[Frank Bunn]

You'd would find the clause would have to exist for the duration of the first signed deal unless otherwise stated.
It's Raiola, I'd stake quite a lot that the 17m did not include the agent fees.

Regardless of all that, I stand by United on turning away this type of deal.

FWIW at the time this is what Marca reported - https://www.marca.com/en/football/international-football/2019/12/30/5e0a149f46163f38768b4636.html with quite a lot of outlets stating 10m plus alone in agent fees.

I didn't know about Haaland's Dad getting a massive bung too.

I reckon some of the crazy transfer fees we have seen over the last few years are due to club officials getting a share of the loot.

 

[pantskyle]

I didn't know about Haaland's Dad getting a massive bung too.

I reckon some of the crazy transfer fees we have seen over the last few years are due to club officials getting a share of the loot.

Agents wield way too much power these days.

Raiola got something like 20m from the 89m United paid for Pogba.

 

[Frank Bunn]

Agents wield way too much power these days.

Raiola got something like 20m from the 89m United paid for Pogba.

Like I said. That sort of deal only makes sense if club official are getting a cut.

 

[DBAH0]

Oh joy....

 

[Zidane98]

Callum McManaman joins Melbourne Victory

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Oh joy....

Rio Ferdinand wouldn’t answer his phone? Maybe try Tony Adams next.

 

[DBAH0]

Rio Ferdinand wouldn’t answer his phone? Maybe try Tony Adams next.

He's the Joe Hart of CB's I suppose....

 

[DBAH0]

Expecting an announcement tomorrow based on this...

 

[Art Vandelay_]

He's the Joe Hart of CB's I suppose....

If you could get past Astra GooGoo () you’d know sometimes you need a HG keeper like Hart or Carson, Green etc.

 

[Zidane98]

If you could get past Astra GooGoo () you’d know sometimes you need a HG keeper like Hart or Carson, Green etc.

Wish we signed Hart, very good move by Mou.

 

[DaRick]

Agents wield way too much power these days.

Raiola got something like 20m from the 89m United paid for Pogba.

Yeah, Chelsea tend to avoid dealing with Raiola because he's seen as too demanding and difficult to negotiate with.

 

[Zidane98]

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What a grub Raiola is. 41m all up for Pogba transfer, 16m from United & 24m from Juve.


Technically it was above board but you have to ask why such a big payment was needed to get the deal done. One can only imagine that Raiola told both sides that he must be paid handsomely or Pogba was going nowhere.

 

[DBAH0]

If you could get past Astra GooGoo () you’d know sometimes you need a HG keeper like Hart or Carson, Green etc.

Wonder how those dodgy Romanians are traveling these days....

 

[chef]

 

[Zidane98]

Nathaniel Clyne returns to Crystal Palace on short-term contract

Clyne joins Palace on free transfer, eight years after leaving club

www.skysports.com

 

[Memphis]

Nathaniel Clyne returns to Crystal Palace on short-term contract

Clyne joins Palace on free transfer, eight years after leaving club

www.skysports.com

I was wondering what had happened to him, seemed to drop off the face of the football world.

 

[hawkman]

How much would Raiola be worth? The amount of agent fees he gets is extraordinary

 

[Zidane98]

How much would Raiola be worth? The amount of agent fees he gets is extraordinary

Hes almost like a 3rd party owner. Surely a conflict of interest the amount of fees he receives.

 

[pantskyle]

His "net worth" is only around 40m, reckon that's a bit short.

 

[mike123]

His "net worth" is only around 40m, reckon that's a bit short.

Didn’t he make that alone with the Pogba transfer?

 

[Zidane98]

Doctor Colossus any good at Luton?