Transgender - Part 2

[Gethelred]

Please be aware that the tolerance of anti-trans language on BF is at an all-time low. Jokes and insults that are trans-related, as well as anti-trans and bigoted rhetoric will be met with infractions, threadbans etc as required. It's a sensitive (and important) topic, so behave like well-mannered adults when discussing it, PARTICULARLY when disagreeing. This equally applies across the whole site.

 

[faible]

Yes I appreciate the effort to respond in detail, but some of the detail doesn't match with the experience of friends and their children.

It takes a few years of preparation and counselling. Kids who have thoughts about being the opposite gender aren't nabbed off the street by Antifa and "transed".

I believe that due to lack of resources in the NHS it wasn't as thorough in some instances. So of course the Tories cut all resources because of "the scandal".

The Tory way. Cut funding (recently by taking doctors pay rises out of capital budgets) until it's broken, then close it down and give a fat contract to a mate to run it.

If Cass results in proper resourcing then of course that's great.

defund the system

'the system doesn't work so we need to privatise it'

 

[kirsti]

This study on trans women's athletic disadvantages ought to change the debate
Few anti-LGBTQ policies have taken off as quickly as those banning trans women and girls from women’s and girls’ sports. https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/olympic-trans-women-ioc-study-rcna148437


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[Cmarsh]

This study on trans women's athletic disadvantages ought to change the debate
Few anti-LGBTQ policies have taken off as quickly as those banning trans women and girls from women’s and girls’ sports. https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/olympic-trans-women-ioc-study-rcna148437


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It's a very small study that seems as though the participants were just people who semi regularly exercise, of quite different ages and fitness levels, and doesn't compare athletes at high level competition, which would be more insightful.

 

[The Tilt]

UK: Implementation of ‘Cass report’ key to protecting girls from serious harm, says UN expert​

https://www.ohchr.org/en/statements/2024/04/uk-implementation-cass-report-key-protecting-girls-serious-harm-says-un-expert

 

[Gethelred]

UK: Implementation of ‘Cass report’ key to protecting girls from serious harm, says UN expert​

https://www.ohchr.org/en/statements/2024/04/uk-implementation-cass-report-key-protecting-girls-serious-harm-says-un-expert

Have a look at Reem Alsalem's opinions on transgendered women, and the criticism she's received for conflating trans women and 'dangerous males'.

Suffice to say, that she'd approve of the Cass report's findings is unsurprising.

 

[Billy ray]

Yes I appreciate the effort to respond in detail, but some of the detail doesn't match with the experience of friends and their children.

It takes a few years of preparation and counselling.

just on this, back on 22 April radio 6PR spoke on the issue and a mum called in.
starts at 49mins in the podcast below

Mornings with Gary Adshead - Monday 22 April 2024 - 6PR Mornings

omny.fm

just prior to her at 44mins a Dr rang in.

the earlier segment with opposition leader was at 24 mins

 

[Chief]

just on this, back on 22 April radio 6PR spoke on the issue and a mum called in.
starts at 49mins in the podcast below

Mornings with Gary Adshead - Monday 22 April 2024 - 6PR Mornings

omny.fm

just prior to her at 44mins a Dr rang in.

the earlier segment with opposition leader was at 24 mins

(note at 42 mins he's scouting for chop chop advice from his audience.)

HOLY SHIT they blast the volume on the ads.

 

[Chief]

* Mad conservative anti-trans doctor ranting on. ("And I'm also a father of 5 children, Gary, so I know!") Making bullshit arguments about "we don't let them jump off a roof if they say they are Superman!" Same old crap.

* Straw manning about stopping puberty at 10 and restarting at 20... ? Who does that?

* Mum unhappy with a consult 8 years ago with her 17 year old daughter who had been out as trans for over a year? Mum blames an assault at 15.

* Daughter transitioned in 2020, Mum talks about "in Covid nobody was operating but we still had a doctor who was happy to cut off women's breasts!"

* It sounds like a bad situation but her language "she's unhappier than ever, in a dress and a beard walking around like a circus act!"

* The mum now has started a support group for parents who think they have been hard done by. So she's not just a random listener. It sounds like she's a bit PTSD herself which can happen with people listening to bad stories from multiple people.

Then he moves on without anyone offering a single counterpoint.

(Oh my God the next one is a "we need coal and to stop critical race theory")

 

[Chief]

(Oh my God the next one is a "we need coal and to stop critical race theory")

Holy shit that that's the Executive Director of the IPA ranting on about utter nonsense.

 

[swingdog]

* Mad conservative anti-trans doctor ranting on. ("And I'm also a father of 5 children, Gary, so I know!") Making bullshit arguments about "we don't let them jump off a roof if they say they are Superman!" Same old crap.

* Straw manning about stopping puberty at 10 and restarting at 20... ? Who does that?

* Mum unhappy with a consult 8 years ago with her 17 year old daughter who had been out as trans for over a year? Mum blames an assault at 15.

* Daughter transitioned in 2020, Mum talks about "in Covid nobody was operating but we still had a doctor who was happy to cut off women's breasts!"

* It sounds like a bad situation but her language "she's unhappier than ever, in a dress and a beard walking around like a circus act!"

* The mum now has started a support group for parents who think they have been hard done by. So she's not just a random listener. It sounds like she's a bit PTSD herself which can happen with people listening to bad stories from multiple people.

Then he moves on without anyone offering a single counterpoint.

(Oh my God the next one is a "we need coal and to stop critical race theory")

You've not listened to WA talkback much before, have you Chief?

 

[Chief]

You've not listened to WA talkback much before, have you Chief?

Never. It's horrendous.

 

[MrsBlueSky]

Never. It's horrendous.

It's not too bad if you're a Liberal voter

 

[Chief]

It's not too bad if you're a Liberal voter

Even the presenter was almost mocking the IPA freak.

 

[SnakeMan86]

Also noted, Aayden did come second in the 400m, but was also a record breaking run.

Trans teen Aayden Gallagher wins Oregon state 200-meter title - Outsports

Aayden Gallagher was a little-known runner in Oregon two months ago. Now the trans athlete is a state champion and silver medalist.

www.outsports.com

 

[Chief]

So sad that they have to have security for a child who runs fast.

"
“There was extra security in place for that ceremony,” a fan shared with Outsports. “But it did not take away the air of blatant transphobia that was circulating around the stadium.”

Various anti-trans media outlets have also completely mischaracterized her very close 200-meter win as her “waltzing” to victory. This is completely false, as she won by 0.20 seconds.

Regardless of the naysayers, Aayden Gallagher is a state champion and she accepted her gold medal with a smile. A state title and a silver for Gallagher makes for a highly successful state championship debut, and perhaps a bright future ahead.
"

 

[ShanDog]

So sad that they have to have security for a child who runs fast.

"
“There was extra security in place for that ceremony,” a fan shared with Outsports. “But it did not take away the air of blatant transphobia that was circulating around the stadium.”

Various anti-trans media outlets have also completely mischaracterized her very close 200-meter win as her “waltzing” to victory. This is completely false, as she won by 0.20 seconds.

Regardless of the naysayers, Aayden Gallagher is a state champion and she accepted her gold medal with a smile. A state title and a silver for Gallagher makes for a highly successful state championship debut, and perhaps a bright future ahead.
"

I'd hope that the security was never going to be needed, but the boos are well deserved.

 

[faible]

Booing a teenager seems pretty shit to me.

Also, Americans really just outright refuse to use normal things for measuring age (or anything else really).

'10th grader'
'Sophmore'

**** me, just use their damn age.

 

[Kram]

It's farcical but I don't think think any anger at all should be directed at the athlete but rather the people in charge that allow it to happen.

 

[Gough]

Booing a teenager seems pretty s**t to me.

Also, Americans really just outright refuse to use normal things for measuring age (or anything else really).

'10th grader'
'Sophmore'

heck me, just use their damn age.

She made them do it though, they didn't want to.

 

[Gethelred]

I'd hope that the security was never going to be needed, but the boos are well deserved.

This being your opinion surprises me.

 

[ShanDog]

This being your opinion surprises me.

Really? Thought I'd always been pretty transparent about my view regarding sports.

 

[Chief]

She made them do it though, they didn't want to.

No it's the people that "allowed this to happen"!

They should be showing up at meetings abusing people, not booing a child.

 

[Gethelred]

Really? Thought I'd always been pretty transparent about my view regarding sports.

The idea that you'd support the booing of a child surprises me, yes.

I thought you were better than that.

 

[ShanDog]

The idea that you'd support the booing of a child surprises me, yes.

I thought you were better than that.

In my mind it wasn't directed at the kid but more the scene itself; however, I get how that came across.

 

[SnakeMan86]

She had to have known this was going to be the reaction, but Booing a teenager is pretty ordinary.

in saying that, I can understand parents voicing their frustrations at the situation, especially those parents of the competitors who have just watched their daughters beaten by a someone who not all that long ago, was a biological male.

This at just a high school level..