MRP / Trib. Tribunal Thread - rules and offences discombobulation

[Ford Fairlane]

Been deliberating for an hour now - you'd like to think that means there's actually some argument abut the penalty, but they're probably eating their five course lunch.

Maybe Eddie has put them on hold.

 

[malcheski]

The thing everyone ignores is that Pickett only made minimal contact to Bailey Smith's head. And Smith got up and kept playing. There was no concussion or anything just a horrible look.


A medical report stating that Keane was concussed makes it severe. There's no argument to make to change that.

This is what is wrong though. Concussion is not linear to impact.

Old mate Murphy from Collingwood knocks himself out tying his laces whilst someone like Zak can seemingly be put into next week and get up and continue. You cannot categorically rule impact as severe due to concussion as it allows no place to go for someone legitimately flattening someone.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

So glad we get to make our community proudery by being the sacrificial test dummy for the AFL on concussion, which they'll have conveniently forgotten about by the end of the year if one of the big Viccy good blokes looks in danger of missing an important game

End of the year, you're optimistic. By about round 3 we'll be hearing excuses about why the proverbial Vic good bloke should be getting off because sometimes you just can't help a football accident.

And they'll be arguing, I mean he was slung into the oncoming player, who can predict that?

 

[PowerBaz]

End of the year, you're optimistic. By about round 3 we'll be hearing excuses about why the proverbial Vic good bloke should be getting off because sometimes you just can't help a football accident.

I mean he was slung into the oncoming player, who can predict that?

Maybe SPP can go to Harvard in the off season, there has to be a course for that....

 

[Grave Danger]

Nankervis and De Goey last year got three weeks instead of the four that the AFL argued - because they showed remorse. Has SPP showed sufficient remorse? Maybe if he gets four weeks they'll let him serve one of them in the trial game - if he's been sufficiently remorseful.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Maybe SPP can go to Harvard in the off season, there has to be a course for that....

Send him to shirtfront Vladimir Putin seeing as Tony Abbott shirked it

 

[El_Scorcho]

If any concussion is severe, then the impact scale isn't fit for purpose and obviously should have been changed over the offseason.

SPP will get more for this than DeGoey running past the ball and nailing that West Coast player last year, despite that obviously being a higher impact.

 

[Duckimus Prime]

Nankervis and De Goey last year got three weeks instead of the four that the AFL argued - because they showed remorse. Has SPP showed sufficient remorse? Maybe if he gets four weeks they'll let him serve one of them in the trial game - if he's been sufficiently remorseful.

Should've sent Sam to the Tribunal hearing wearing the Prison Bars.

Tribunal Members would mistake him for a Collingwood player and we'd get a lowered punishment.

 

[Buget]

I do like how Port called out the AFL for “trying to make SPP a scapegoat”. It forced the AFL to defend itself. Now, if the AFL was consistent, any action that causes concussion should be graded for a minimum 4 match suspension.

However, I do think this has a feel of a “rule of the week” and will be forgotten about by the time the prelim roles around.

For what it’s worth, I do think 4 is fair. If the tribunal is anyway consistent.

 

[240volt]

Welcome to the independent AFL tribunal where all members are appointed and paid by the AFL.

Similar to being on a murder charge in Texas with a state appointed lawyer.

 

[El_Scorcho]

We've fought this so poorly. We absolutely had to go after the impact based on the mitigating factor of the tackle. I know i've been in this thread calling for a ban but despite that I think I could have made a stronger case. Even if you think it's worth 3, argue for 2.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Haha I stepped away from Big Footy for an hour thinking when I came back there would be a result and lots of discussion.

Either its a long lunch break or he is going to get 3 weeks as the 2 ex players are going with the player and Gleeson KC with the AFL.

 

[PAFC66]

Cases for manslaughter are not as long as this. The AFL is truly an embarrassment

 

[PAFC66]

The thing everyone ignores is that Pickett only made minimal contact to Bailey Smith's head. And Smith got up and kept playing. There was no concussion or anything just a horrible look.


A medical report stating that Keane was concussed makes it severe. There's no argument to make to change that.

And if he put him in a coma it'd still be severe .

 

[El_Scorcho]

And if he put him in a coma it'd still be severe .

Yep. If he had multiple cheek fractures and didn't wake up for 3 days, that's in the same category as this apparently. The grading system isn't fit for purpose.

If they want to make any concussion a trip to the tribunal, i'm absolutely fine with it, but you can't just lump everything into 1 category

 

[Buget]

And if he put him in a coma it'd still be severe .

It’s the same as when a deliberate strike is graded as careless.

Anything that causes a player to miss games should be severe.

 

[PAFC66]

It’s the same as when a deliberate strike is graded as careless.

Anything that causes a player to miss games should be severe.

Wasn't riolis slap severe?

 

[malcheski]

Yep. If he had multiple cheek fractures and didn't wake up for 3 days, that's in the same category as this apparently. The grading system isn't fit for purpose.

If they want to make any concussion a trip to the tribunal, i'm absolutely fine with it, but you can't just lump everything into 1 category

But this again is penalising the outcome and not the action.

The grading system, and the non-allowing of precedent, essentially rules a foregone conclusion based off a medical report that cannot be cross checked and ranked on an arbitrary 'gut feel' of the MRO.

 

[TazD]

Has Zita made fun of SPPs draw and quartering yet?

 

[Festerz]

If any concussion is severe

Not sure where this claim that all concussions are automatically rules as 'severe impact' but I just can't see where this is the case under current MRO classification rules. It's the medical report detailing the nature of the concussion which makes it so.

However, it seems obvious to me that the MRO will now be guided by the recently revised AFL guidelines to the tribunal with regard to head knocks and community expectations and will therefore rate any concussion as being severe impact.e

 

[Jonts]

4 weeks. LIVE: Power star’s ban looms as marathon 3hr AFL Tribunal hearing reaches climax

Predictable and the wrong call

Typical AFL

 

[PAFC66]

4 weeks LOL
We won't appeal.

 

[PAFC66]

If that's the starting point we are going to see a stack of long suspensions this year.

 

[Buget]

Wasn't riolis slap severe?

An actions intent is different to the outcome of the action.

 

[Buget]

If that's the starting point we are going to see a stack of long suspensions this year.

No we won’t….