MRP / Trib. Tribunal Thread - rules and offences discombobulation

[MrMeaner]

Zita spends a lot of time joking about the Tribunal "deliberating" for a long time. But I suspect that they actually only spent a short time deciding to uphold Pickett's suspension, and that the vast majority of the time is actually spent putting together all of the arguments in a way that will hold up against appeal.

Especially after we had two cases thrown out because the Tribunal apparently didn't consider the likelihood to cause injury in making its ruling for Cameron and Bedford. Two cases where the victim was actually injured.

I suspect that's right. I'm surprised the reasons each week are as detailed as they are. That said, I know the chairs, so I shouldn't be surprised.

Also, skimming reports of the proceedings, it sounded like Adrian Anderson, for Melbourne, took a long time in evidence and submissions.

 

[MrMeaner]

I guess my real question is why? how? It was pretty clear cut.

Is that 3 hours before the panel deliberated for an hour or so?

It looks like Adrian Anderson threw the kitchen sink into his submissions. From Zita's reporting on Twitter, evidence and submissions went for at least 2 hours.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

AFL chief fiction writer Michael Christian handed out these financial penalties. Reckon he missed a few.

Hawks player unnecessarily dumped Rioli on his head. Will have to code the game and list a few of them.

 

[NoddyHolder]

AFL chief fiction writer Michael Christian handed out these financial penalties. Reckon he missed a few.

Hawks player unnecessarily dumped Rioli on his head. Will have to code the game and list a few of them.


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How did they miss sicily gutlessly dropping the knee into Frank Evans guts when he was trapped at the bottom of a pack and unable to defend himself?

Was the Sweet 'kneeing' in a ruck contest? Are they going to start reporting players for using their knees in marking contests next?

 

[shewho]

Sweet’s fine was for leading with the knee in a ruck contest, no eyes on the ball, well before the ball comes down. Left his opponent doubled over.

 

[Powertron]

Sweet’s fine was for leading with the knee in a ruck contest, no eyes on the ball, well before the ball comes down. Left his opponent doubled over.

Yep he gave him a good hit. $7.5k well spent.

 

[JakeNeadeFan]

Yep he gave him a good hit. $7.5k well spent.

Meek has history when it comes to this so probably well earned for him

‘What’s the point?’ Cox weighs in on ruck controversy as footy world left divided

‘What’s the point?’ Pie’s message to AFL over controversial act as footy world left divided

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[Enviable Tradition]

Sweet’s fine was for leading with the knee in a ruck contest, no eyes on the ball, well before the ball comes down. Left his opponent doubled over.

Yeah I noticed it game day. It was pretty brutal.

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[Grave Danger]

Spose we should thank our lucky stars that the 'dangerous' tackles paid against our blokes didn't get sanctioned.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Good Bloke defence scrapped.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-news-charlie-cameron-good-bloke-defence-loophole-closed-wornin-balls-to-be-used-in-games/news-story/e45af950795c8aa6d89aec5fe70ea511

AFL news: Charlie Cameron ‘good bloke’ defence loophole closed, worn-in balls to be used in games​

Players will no longer be able to use their good record to get themselves out of trouble at the tribunal this year. Plus the AFL has made another change regarding the match day football.

The AFL has closed one of its most contentious tribunal loopholes and banished the ‘good bloke’ discount on suspensions.
The Herald Sun can reveal the league has confirmed in a memo to clubs that players will not be afforded discounts on penalties based on their good character or record.

Brisbane star Charlie Cameron was sensationally cleared of a suspension for a dangerous tackle on Melbourne’s Jake Lever last year because of his “exemplary character and record”, causing an outcry across the industry.
Cameron had not been suspended in 207 games at the time of the tribunal hearing.

In 2017 the AFL took into account comments by Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull and TV presenter Waleed Aly in handing a lighter sentence to Richmond’s Bachar Houli after he knocked out Carlton’s Jed Lamb.

But the controversial clause has been binned after the AFL on Wednesday confirmed the definition of its exceptional and compelling circumstances definition had changed in its 2025 tribunal guidelines. From this season, the league confirmed “the definition of exceptional and compelling circumstances will be limited to expressly exclude a player’s character and standing in the community”, the memo said. It means a player’s character will no longer be a way to downgrade a tribunal charge. The move will be warmly welcomed by the clubs due to the difficulty of maintaining consistency and fairness in regards to players’ character, standing and record.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

And less experts witnesses will be allowed to give evidence.

AFL rules out character defence after Cameron case

The League has made the decision to effectively close the clause used by Lions forward Charlie Cameron at the Tribunal last year

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And on Wednesday, the AFL confirmed it has tightened its guidelines around Tribunal experts.

"The definition of exceptional and compelling circumstances will be limited to expressly exclude a player's character or standing in the community," the League said in a statement.

"The AFL acknowledges that in certain circumstances the Tribunal may be assisted by the evidence of an expert but only in those circumstances should such evidence be permitted.

"The guidelines will be amended to state that permission from the Chair will be required in order for a person to give evidence as an expert witness."


And this ground breaking move has been introduced.

Clubs will now also be permitted to 'kick in' footballs at training sessions during the week before a home game, having previously been restricted to doing so at their Captain's Run before the game.

 

[ButtersBall]

Anyone know what happened to Christian Moraes??

Looks like he got sniped by Brodie Smith


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[Progressive Aggresion]

Looks like he got sniped by Brodie Smith


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The problem is that suspending Brodie Smith actually helps the Crows to look like a better team...

 

[RossFC]

Should be 2-3 weeks minimum.

 

[Scholz Supremacy]

Fcuk you Brodie Smith you dirty campaigner

 

[Sneeky]

SPP gets three for that

 

[Grave Danger]

Apparently they're still mulling over the Ginbey shove on Lalor from more than a week ago too - I don't know why that one's taken so long.

 

[Ralph Lorenz]

Apparently they're still mulling over the Ginbey shove on Lalor from more than a week ago too - I don't know why that one's taken so long.

Because currently there isnt a rule defining the action

 

[Willsy10]

Geez, if you compare what smith did to what Dixon got three games for last year he has to get games. But all they seem to ever care about is the outcome.


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[Del80659]

and nobody remonstrated lol

 

[manureid]

and nobody remonstrated lol

And the crows ended up with the free from the non advantage

 

[Grave Danger]

One week only for Smith; nothing at all for Ginbey:

MATCH REVIEW: Eagle learns fate for Tiger push, Crow cops ban

Two players have been suspended and another two fined after the match simulations

www.afl.com.au

 

[Brian McGee]

This is what I hate about the afl and suspensions. There is no way that there is a 3 game difference in action between Powell pepper last year and this. The only difference is concussion. It’s just as dirty, if not worse. Late, high and caused a guy to stay on the floor for a minute and come off with the blood rule from a bump to the face. The afl is such a joke.

 

[Scodges]

This is what I hate about the afl and suspensions. There is no way that there is a [emoji639] game difference in action between Powell pepper last year and this. The only difference is concussion. It’s just as dirty, if not worse. Late, high and caused a guy to stay on the floor for a minute and come off with the blood rule from a bump to the face. The afl is such a joke.

Can the club point this out ?


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[RossFC]

One week only for Smith; nothing at all for Ginbey:

MATCH REVIEW: Eagle learns fate for Tiger push, Crow cops ban

Two players have been suspended and another two fined after the match simulations

www.afl.com.au

What a joke. Protecting the head means little then.