MRP / Trib. Tribunal Thread - rules and offences discombobulation

[RussellEbertHandball]

Grundy $10,000 fine for striking Sweet.

Rioli $1,500 for some sort of misconduct

Did Sweet get a free? Stupid question I know.

Its Grundy's 3rd offence and that's why its so large - Intentional, low impact, body contact only is a financial sanction. gets a decent discount if accepts it and only liable for $6,250. First time offenders only get a 33.33% discount.

I guess it works well for Zak.

 

[Alberton Proud]

I wonder if it was for the dump tackle in the pocket in q1. Surely not worth a fine though.

Yep about 2 minutes into the match

 

[Alberton Proud]

Did Sweet get a free? Stupid question I know.

Its Grundy's 3rd offence and that's why its so large - Intentional, low impact, body contact only is a financial sanction. gets a decent discount if accepts it and only liable for $6,250. First time offenders only get a 33.33% discount.

I guess it works well for Zak.



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No free

One of many against Sweet that were ignored

 

[Brian McGee]

Yep about 2 minutes into the match

Ridiculous if so. No way that is worth a fine.

 

[PowerBaz]

What’s a dirty act then? If a Port player did it?

 

[Brian McGee]

What’s a dirty act then? If a Port player did it?


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A bump that gets someone in the head is a football act gone wrong. I cannot see any way that this is not as bad as Houston’s bump last year.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

As the AFL counsel Andrew Woods only asked for 4 games.

The tribunal had to give more games than the 3 Patrick Voss got for busting Vlastuin's nose - he didn't concuss him, and challenged and lost at the tribunal, after the 3 game sanction the MRO handed out.

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Woods (AFL) shows Jack Scrimshaw

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's strike on Jordan Ridley

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and Patrick Voss' strike on Nick Vlastuin

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. He says Nash's strike is worse than both.

Myles Tehan (Hawks) says this is not above regular carelessness.
"This was not a dirty act. It was an obvious football act attempting to impact the play by tapping the ball away (which went wrong)"

Jeff Gleeson (Chair): Arguably, Nash's arm being around his (Miers) back gives him a pretty good idea of where the player's head is.

2nd part of the decision

He suffered a concussion, and there was the potential for a facial injury given the nature and force of the impact. We were taken to two other relatively recent striking incidents where the impact was classified as severe and the reported players were suspended for three matches.

First was the Scrimshaw on Ridley. The force there was less severe. We do not accept the submission that the carelessness in that matter was greater to any significant degree.
For reasons we referred to earlier, the carelessness here was quite marked.

The second example was the Voss strike on Voss. And a point of difference there was that Vlastuin suffered no concussion, but he did suffer a facial fracture, which, on any view, is a significant injury.

The incident did, however, involve two players moving at some speed, and the potential for careless execution was perhaps somewhat more explicable.

We have some difficulty in understanding how Nash got it so wrong here.

We accept that he was not intending to strike Miers to the head. He should have known that his forceful swing of an arm at head height may well result in just such a strike.

We find that the appropriate sanction is four matches.

 

[GremioPower]

I saw this on Twitter:



No idea when this happened, but I don’t think it’s worth a suspension.

However, Houston got a humongous penalty for a cleaner play — which shouldn’t be punished either. On the other hand, now, wearing a Pies jumper, he got a lesser penalty for an actual criminal bump.

To enjoy the game, one must deliberately avoid paying attention to all this sh*t. It’s insanely corrupt. No wonder it feels like home for me.

 

[PowerBaz]

At-least Houston did it properly, Nash really wanted his forearm to be used but in this day and age decided the upper arm won't make it look so bad.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Does anyone know when the Georgiades trip incident happened in the 1st Qtr?. I don't remember it.

Did he dive and trip the North player? Tackle him around the legs? Stick his foot out and tripped him?

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[Enviable Tradition]

I dont remember it.

I do remember there was one by a North player at the Northern end that I thought could be looked at.

 

[Grave Danger]

First offence, low impact - twice the fine for someone who punches a player.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

I'm surprised Ken didn't get a fine.

Maybe they were too scared to after the backlash around last year's one.

 

[RossFC]

Port Adelaide’s Will Lorenz has been offered a $125 fine for engaging in rough conduct with Central’s Harry Grant at X Convenience Oval on Friday.

Will Lorenz (Port Adelaide) – Rough Conduct (Dangerous Tackle)
Conduct: Careless
Impact: Low
Contact: High
Base Sanction: $125 Fine
Early Guilty Plea: $125 Fine

 

[Duckimus Prime]

I saw this on Twitter:



No idea when this happened, but I don’t think it’s worth a suspension.

However, Houston got a humongous penalty for a cleaner play — which shouldn’t be punished either. On the other hand, now, wearing a Pies jumper, he got a lesser penalty for an actual criminal bump.

To enjoy the game, one must deliberately avoid paying attention to all this sh*t. It’s insanely corrupt. No wonder it feels like home for me.

That is from the 2020 Grand Final.

He should've been suspended. That camera angle in the tweet doesn't show enough. In the standard broadcast angle, you can see much more of Dangerfield's approach to the contest. He has his elbow up a log way out, and he's trying intimidate Vlastuin into pulling out of the contest.

At the last second, he flicks his arm forward to slap the ball then brings it back in to forearm/elbow Vlastuin in the head.

 

[Alberton Proud]

Port Adelaide’s Will Lorenz has been offered a $125 fine for engaging in rough conduct with Central’s Harry Grant at X Convenience Oval on Friday.

Will Lorenz (Port Adelaide) – Rough Conduct (Dangerous Tackle)
Conduct: Careless
Impact: Low
Contact: High
Base Sanction: $125 Fine
Early Guilty Plea: $125 Fine

Dig Deep Will

 

[snozulu]

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/no-more-tackling-teammates-erupt-as-afl-tribunal-upholds-paul-curtis-ban/news-story/676f5fc17d90945c6286ff80116a07b3

t’s safe to say Curtis’ suspension hasn’t gone down well at all with his teammates, with two senior players slamming the Tribunal on social media.

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, who played his 300th AFL game on the weekend, described his side’s upcoming game against Essendon as a “touch football game”.

Parker wrote on Instagram: “Please attend our touch football game this Thursday night vs Essendon #nomoretacklin#nomoretackling.”aptain Jy Simpkin

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also shared his thoughts, saying the Roos had now been on the wrong end of two harsh Tribunal calls following Jackson Archer’s three-game suspension earlier in the year.

“Arch and now PC … smh”, Simpkin wrote.

 

[bringbackbucky]

It was a terrible tackle. Any more in his back and he would've been inside him. Deserved to be suspended for the technique alone...

 

[bomberclifford]

lol. Remember when Roos where frothing because Butters grazed past Simpkin in a contest, who then promptly did a very demonstrative pirouette and fell to his knees?

Butters got two matches for that.

What a whiny b7nch of c7nts the Kangas are.

 

[Donuts_]

Lol Norf.

Losers and apparently very very dumb.

That appeal had next to zero chance of succeeding.

Poor club just got a bit poorer.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Lol Norf.

Losers and apparently very very dumb.

That appeal had next to zero chance of succeeding.

Poor club just got a bit poorer.

what are you talking about?? There is no fee payable to question the sometime dodgy decisions of the MRO.

A $5000 fee is payable if you dispute the Tribunal findings and go to the Appeals Board.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

The Curtis ruling taken from the live feed in the following Foxsports link with some of my comments.

Curtis didn't give evidence - I reckon that was mistake. Maybe he isn't articulate enough. Last year Dangerfield tackle on Walsh case, Dangerfield gave evidence and strongly argued against the position the AFL counsel took and said he pinned both arms, but explained why he did what he did after that. Walsh banged his head on the ground but didn't get concussed so Dangerfield got 1 game from the MRO as a careless but medium impact to the head. He got off and tribunal chair Jeff Gleeson said;

“Would it have been reasonably possible for Dangerfield to release one or both of Walsh’s arms? Yes it would, but that’s not the test. “The question is whether it was unreasonable in the circumstances not to do so. “From the considerable care that Dangerfield went to in a short space of time in a fast moving piece of play to do what he could to avoid or minimise injury to his fellow player, we find that this was not rough conduct.”

Plus he is the AFLPA Prez and I reckon that counts for something.

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Reasons:

We find that this was rough conduct and that Curtis was careless for the following main reasons.

First, Curtis wrapped both arms around Sinn and propelled him forward. Curtis did not need to propel Sinn forward with such force. He could have attempted to retain control of control of the tackle. [ Need vs basic physic should have been argued - momentum has been successfully argued in the past]

Secondly, Curtis pinned both of Sinn’s arms and made no attempt to release either arm.

Thirdly, Curtis made no or insufficient attempt to roll Sinn sideways so as to avoid or minimise the risk of Sinn’s head hitting the ground with force. North points to the fact that at the conclusion of the tackle, Curtis is moving to the side of Sinn and ends up beside him. In our view, this occurs too late. Curtis could have but did not make a significant attempt to roll to the side. He had time to sum up the situation before tackling Sinn from behind forcefully. [ How realistic is it to roll a player when one is going a full speed to catch a player]

Fourthly, Curtis made no or insufficient attempt to pull Sinn back so as to minimise the risk or extent of Sinn’s head hitting the ground. [ Once again what about momentum - the Holman tackle on Mitch Duncan in 2021 the momentum of both players was taken into account by the tribunal to let Holman off]

A prudent player would have realised that in executing a tackle in this way carried with it a real likelihood of Sinn’s head making forceful contact with the ground with the potential for a concussion.

Curtis dropped his weight at the commencement of the tackle and to some extent, Sinn’s knees plugging into the ground caused the players to propel forward. That is not an unlikely or unforeseeable consequence of a tackle such as this in these circumstances.

Players are today well aware that tackling a player from behind, where both the tackler and the ball carrier have some momentum, carries a risk of causing a concussion if care is not taken to avoid or minimise that risk. Curtis did not do nearly enough to address that risk. As a result, he engaged in careless, rough conduct.

As for impact, the video shows that the force with which Sinn’s head hit the ground was significant indeed.

He was clearly hurt and visibly distressed. He took a considerable time to get to his feet and left the field looking somewhat unsteady. He has been diagnosed with concussion, will not train for seven to 10 days and will miss one match.

We have no hesitation in classifying the impact as severe. The charge as classified is upheld.


So now you have to be a reasonable player and a prudent player and at speed calculate all possible outcomes and at speed change your actions to make sure you don't concuss someone. I would like to see the AFL counsel Sally Flynn and AFL chair Jeff Glesson do a perfect tackle at speed and that they were reasonable and prudent about it and not have slow mo time to do it.

 

[Burningleviathan]

The fact he dropped his knees the way he did, when he did, is what caused the issue. You want to avoid knocking a guy out in a chase down tackle, make sure you have shifted your momentum towards the side before dropping your knees.
I really don't see the issue.

 

[Grave Danger]

Fines only. Lucky Willie, given past events:

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[RussellEbertHandball]

Fines only. Lucky Willie, given past events:

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WTF did Mitch do??

Last week was tripping that nobody saw.