****** Umpires!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[geelong_crazy26]

we'll just have to wait and see how it pans out.when your guys get injuries it's gonna take them longer to recover with their older bodies.we actually aren't that light of a team.suppose if you see brad dick you'd come to this conclusion but we aint a skinny side.

we smashed you cause we got the ball out of the centre and kept it in our forward line for long period of times.then when you tried to run out we pressured you turned the ball over and bang you got smashed.if you really think you figured us out going by last night your kidding yourself.you guys beat us first time last year as well then next two times we beat you guys quite easily.

i'm still disagreeing that ottens has jolly covered.it's your selection panels fault for picking a unfit ruckman in a prelim final.he played so he was fit cause he was out on the ground and jolly absolutely smashed him.mate once they reach over 30 they drop off quickly.have a look at our older players from last year.they lose it quite quickly once age catches up to them.i still think we'll beat you guys easily next time.

when we beat you guys next time feel free to come on here again and tell us how much better you guys are then us

this is why you beat us last year so easily, our game plan was basically, to go up the middle and run the ball with handballs, and eventually break free and kick it into the forward line, you guys where too good with the pressure and would just create turnovers and then you would quickly run the ball forward into a open forward line and get a goal

even when we tried to move the ball out of our defense, we would try and get up the middle with short passes and handballs that where too easy for you to cut off and turn over

we also didnt put any pressure on you in your defense, and as a consequence you set up a lot of run from your backline,what we are now doing is kicking the ball long and wide to a contest and backing our bigger stronger bodies to win the contest, that means that you dont have anywhere near as big a chance of getting a turnover which you can score so easily from

we are also pressuring you deep in your defense and not allowing you to start up your run from your backline, one thing that you couldnt handle last night was that we didnt give you that short kick in your defense that you love to do, i just watched a passage of play where leon davis was standing about ten metres out from our goal looking for a short pass and their was another guy on the other side, you really couldnt handle that very well because it meant you had to take us on one on one in a contested situation.

ottens is just too big and strong for jolly, he will always get his hands onto the ball first.

our players are in prime condition, all players age differently, some 28 year olds will have a body of a 24 year old, just because someone is 28 doesnt automatically mean their body is in a certain condition.

we wont be going anywhere this year

you guys need to except the fact that your not a level above us

 

[danielnajdek]

this is why you beat us last year so easily, our game plan was basically, to go up the middle and run the ball with handballs, and eventually break free and kick it into the forward line, you guys where too good with the pressure and would just create turnovers and then you would quickly run the ball forward into a open forward line and get a goal

even when we tried to move the ball out of our defense, we would try and get up the middle with short passes and handballs that where too easy for you to cut off and turn over

we also didnt put any pressure on you in your defense, and as a consequence you set up a lot of run from your backline,what we are now doing is kicking the ball long and wide to a contest and backing our bigger stronger bodies to win the contest, that means that you dont have anywhere near as big a chance of getting a turnover which you can score so easily from

we are also pressuring you deep in your defense and not allowing you to start up your run from your backline, one thing that you couldnt handle last night was that we didnt give you that short kick in your defense that you love to do, i just watched a passage of play where leon davis was standing about ten metres out from our goal looking for a short pass and their was another guy on the other side, you really couldnt handle that very well because it meant you had to take us on one on one in a contested situation.

ottens is just too big and strong for jolly, he will always get his hands onto the ball first.

our players are in prime condition, all players age differently, some 28 year olds will have a body of a 24 year old, just because someone is 28 doesnt automatically mean their body is in a certain condition.

we wont be going anywhere this year

you guys need to except the fact that your not a level above us

gotta make this one short as im heading out for dinner shortly.

so your saying we outplayed you last year lol well doesn't that mean we are a better team then you last year.ottens isnt bigger and stronger then jolly.they are the same size.jolly doesn't get pushed aside so easily like cam wood.so ottens wont have it so easily next time against us.

i NEVER said you were going anywhere this year FFS.stop putting words into my mouth.i never said that.in couple years your team will be stuffed and our team will still be at the top of the ladder.lol so you think all your older players are gonna play past age 30 yet you have all these great young players coming through.can't have it both ways bro.gotta play young guys so they get games into them.won't be able to do this if you hold onto all your older guys forever.

lastly dismiss us as much as you want if that makes you happy.arrogance like that will only come back and bite you on the arse.be like last year where all your supporters thought you had us covered.get sick of these geelong supporters who think they are king d#&ks and think their s$&t dont stink.we'll just go about our business and once finals comes around again you'll disregard us like last year and when prelim comes around you won't know what hit you.i'll be smiling on my couch watching the smug face on ur players faces disappear.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

gotta make this one short as im heading out for dinner shortly.

so your saying we outplayed you last year lol well doesn't that mean we are a better team then you last year.ottens isnt bigger and stronger then jolly.they are the same size.jolly doesn't get pushed aside so easily like cam wood.so ottens wont have it so easily next time against us.

i NEVER said you were going anywhere this year FFS.stop putting words into my mouth.i never said that.in couple years your team will be stuffed and our team will still be at the top of the ladder.lol so you think all your older players are gonna play past age 30 yet you have all these great young players coming through.can't have it both ways bro.gotta play young guys so they get games into them.won't be able to do this if you hold onto all your older guys forever.

lastly dismiss us as much as you want if that makes you happy.arrogance like that will only come back and bite you on the arse.be like last year where all your supporters thought you had us covered.get sick of these geelong supporters who think they are king d#&ks and think their s$&t dont stink.we'll just go about our business and once finals comes around again you'll disregard us like last year and when prelim comes around you won't know what hit you.i'll be smiling on my couch watching the smug face on ur players faces disappear.

i never dismissed you this year, its a two horse race, the fact is that collingwood supporters thought they where a level above us, but collingwood is not, where fairly equal, you are the quicker side, we are the stronger side, we have a bit more tallent , you have a small potent forward line, hawthorn thought they where going to be a better side for longer then us too, and look how that turned out, in fact the bulldogs and st kilda where supposed to be better for longer then us as well, you would be suprised you guys rely on your older players as well

the big difference between us and just about every other side including collingwood is that we won our two premierships because we had so much tallent and ability, hawthorn and collingwood won a premiership largely because they had an excellent game plan that was ahead of the competition, the problem with game plans is that they get worked out all the time.

 

[jonbe54]

i never dismissed you this year, its a two horse race, the fact is that collingwood supporters thought they where a level above us, but collingwood is not, where fairly equal, you are the quicker side, we are the stronger side, we have a bit more tallent , you have a small potent forward line, hawthorn thought they where going to be a better side for longer then us too, and look how that turned out, in fact the bulldogs and st kilda where supposed to be better for longer then us as well, you would be suprised you guys rely on your older players as well

the big difference between us and just about every other side including collingwood is that we won our two premierships because we had so much tallent and ability, hawthorn and collingwood won a premiership largely because they had an excellent game plan that was ahead of the competition, the problem with game plans is that they get worked out all the time.

Wrong
And I hope you and the rest of the league keep believing it but its unlikely the professionals have such a shallow view.
Collingwood won the premiership because
(a) Incredible depth of talent - our last 6 were better than any team in the league
(b) Superior fitness - most of the football world has had a high old time laughing about our trips to Mt McKinley for years, it proved the difference last year in a number of occasions and is doing so again this year. Guess the smirk is on our face now as a number of teams scramble to emulate it.

and finally the most superficial of all

(c) A superior game plan and a team that believed in and executed it.

 

[HFF]

the big difference between us and just about every other side including collingwood is that we won our two premierships because we had so much tallent and ability, hawthorn and collingwood won a premiership largely because they had an excellent game plan that was ahead of the competition, the problem with game plans is that they get worked out all the time.

lol talk about a back-handed compliment.

Mate, you are not "more talented" than Collingwood. If that were the case, you wouldn't have been exposed like you were in last year's prelim and if the umps knew how to adjudicate a rule properly, for all your dominance you would have left last night with a hollow feeling knowing that your best still wouldn't have been good enough to defeat a lacklustre Collingwood.

The whole Collingwood only won a flag because of "game plan" is a theory. Our midfield is the best in the league and runs the deepest. We are also the youngest premier since the 70s. Young talent time.

Our backline is one of the best in the league. The fact that we have been able to replace Nathan Brown with Chris Tarrant is evident of this and have had large portions of our backline players have missed games in Maxwell, Johnson, Tarrant, Davis, Buckley and now Toovey this season. It's been one area that we haven't had quite settled just yet.

Our forward line also romps it in over yours. Pods? Mooney? Hawkins? Pfft.

Enjoy your victory because you certainly deserved it but don't come on here and talk garbage about how "talented" Geelong's premierships have been and that teams such as Hawks and Collingwood only won them because of a "game plan".

We have just as many stars on every line as any side in the comp.

 

[magic_johnson!]

That was definently not play on, for 2 reasons.

1) After the umpire called the free kick, the next player to touch the ball was Ottens. For it to be play on advantage, the team who gets the free kick MUST be the next team to touch the ball. They were not

2) Play had stopped. Have a look, Pendles "busts" through the pack of no-one giving a crap as the umpire is going ******* blowing his whistle. No Geelong players were applying pressure but Varcoe.

 

[Swooop]

I'm gonna make this short aswell as dinner beckons...speaking as a Mod, I enjoyed that discussion between Geelong Crazy and daniel...was waiting for it to go south, but it didn't!!.

Well done boys, good intelligent debate!!

Makes a nice change after some of the intruders who came to unload their scorn last night!!

 

[HFF]

That was definently not play on, for 2 reasons.

1) After the umpire called the free kick, the next player to touch the ball was Ottens. For it to be play on advantage, the team who gets the free kick MUST be the next team to touch the ball. They were not

2) Play had stopped. Have a look, Pendles "busts" through the pack of no-one giving a crap as the umpire is going ******* blowing his whistle. No Geelong players were applying pressure but Varcoe.

1) point one makes no sense. If in a marking contest I punch the ball but infringe you in the process and your teammate gathers and decides to run away with it, it is play-on advantage, despite me touching it and giving away the free kick. Play had not been broken despite Ottens touching it a split second after the infringement as Pendlebury was still in motion to rove and gather which he did and run away. He did not fumble and halt the play.

2) Play hadn't stopped. Sure, Geelong players may have stopped at a stand still for brief moment but again, the advantage rule is elected by the player/s from the team of whose free kick it is. If a Geelong player had roved the footy, that is when play would have broken and then recalled to the initial free kick. The player from the recipient team whose free kick it was, in Pendlebury, roved and gathered cleanly in flight and shot at goal. Advantage should have been paid and the goal should have stood.

It was clear-cut and everybody who watches AFL footy knows this.

 

[Quicky]

My take was we lost because we got spanked in the clearances and turned the ball over too much. I thought the game was over officiated but a minor fator in the scheme of things. The not advantage call however was shithouse.

 

[abs_of_STEELE]

That was definently not play on, for 2 reasons.

1) After the umpire called the free kick, the next player to touch the ball was Ottens. For it to be play on advantage, the team who gets the free kick MUST be the next team to touch the ball. They were not

2) Play had stopped. Have a look, Pendles "busts" through the pack of no-one giving a crap as the umpire is going ******* blowing his whistle. No Geelong players were applying pressure but Varcoe.

Adrian Anderson just admitted that the umpire was wrong to stop time and it should've been advantage...

 

[migz]

Is anybody watching the footy right now? in the half time segment they were talking about the umpiring decision to bring the ball back and make cam wood take the kick. Apparently the AFL said that the umpire deciding to call time on and bring the ball back was 'premature' as the umpire was blind sided.. that tells me the decision was wrong..

 

[Nebula1971]

Is anybody watching the footy right now? in the half time segment they were talking about the umpiring decision to bring the ball back and make cam wood take the kick. Apparently the AFL said that the umpire deciding to call time on and bring the ball back was 'premature' as the umpire was blind sided.. that tells me the decision was wrong..

I agree that the umpire got it wrong too, however Geelong were the better team on the night whichever way you look at it. The end result flattered us to be honest.

We were off our game and this was mainly caused by Geelong's pressure. I have no doubt we will clean them up next time we play them. We are better than them, regardless of last nights result.

 

[Maggie5]

I agree that the umpire got it wrong too, however Geelong were the better team on the night whichever way you look at it. The end result flattered us to be honest.

We were off our game and this was mainly caused by Geelong's pressure. I have no doubt we will clean them up next time we play them. We are better than them, regardless of last nights result.

Totally agree with this. Had they kicked straighter who knows how we would have responded. Had a few players down on form and also was surprised at the inclusion of Dick who I think doesn't have more than three tackles to his name. I think that he is still worrying about his shoulders. So the stronger body of Beams would have been better who has 12 tackles.

Just as a matter of interest,(I have mentioned previously), the umpire in question No.25 S. Ryan seems to dislike Collingwood and we seem to get him almost every week. If there are any 50/50 decisions they will always go against us. Was pointed out to me by someone else over 18 month ago and I have paid particular and they were right!
Umpiring decisions generally work out in the end and apart from costing games occasionally, they don't do such a bad job. It is the Rules committee that keeps changing the rules that are no longer black and white and are open to different interpretations. When you have three umpires with each interpreting differently well then you end up with anger and frustration from the fans.

Give me the days of one umpire and the only rule we screamed about was "ball!''

 

[Alexander323bc]

In general play Geelong beat us fair and square. At the end of the game, the umpires stole the 4 points from us and gave them to Geelong.

 

[Bring back Moloney]

Joel Selwood. 6 frees. Geelongs game plan is based around them, every single player for the cats will stage for a free at the drop of a hat. Nice to snag some close H&A qwins but I doubt it'll get you guys very far in the finals when the umps put the whistle away.

Are you serious? So Geelong has won 86 of our last 100 games due to a game plan that relies on getting free kicks!???

HOW DO YOU PEOPLE MANAGE TO LIVE YOUR LIFE!?

 

[Zahki]

Are you serious? So Geelong has won 86 of our last 100 games due to a game plan that relies on getting free kicks!???

HOW DO YOU PEOPLE MANAGE TO LIVE YOUR LIFE!?

Pretty happily thanks for asking. Your players are stagers and divers, if you hate that fact go back to the comfort of the Geelong board where you can pretend Selwood doesn't play for frees every single game to your hearts content. Bye.

 

[Somebody]

You can call it making excuses, whinging, being a bad loser, whatever, but regardless it is just a plain fact, whether we deserved to win or not, we almost certainly would have won if that bad decision had not been made - I think there was only about a minute of play left. So the umpires won the game with that terrible decision, not a good look on ump apprec week.

Feeling like you've been robbed of a game because of a singular umpiring decision is really shitty. I remember all too well the game against the Saints in the finals last year. When Lingy's goal was disallowed and we lost the game by less than a kick.
But I had to ask myself after that game: If we had to rely on a single play going our way seconds before the final siren to win the game, did we really deserve to win it?
As soon as I saw the quarter-time score tonight with all the shots we had missed, I thought there was no way we would win. No way you kick that many behinds against the reigning premiers and then still win the game. They just won't let that happen. Kicking points, after all, is bad footy, just like flooding, like not putting in second and third efforts, like not putting on any defensive pressure. You don't usually get away with it in the modern game.
But for some reason, we did. Collingwood got ahead. They had their chances. They missed a few critical shots as well, which gave us a chance to nudge ahead once more.
I haven't been able to watch the replay yet so I can't say much about the disallowed goal. But what I can say, is that if you rely on a single play like that to win the game, then either way, the game is pretty much a lottery, and either side probably deserves to be the victor.
It hurts when you get so close but still lose. But it doesn't really change anything. You're still one of the best (if not the best) team in the league. You're still going to be top 4, if not finish first. You're probably going to get into the GF this year and you're probably going to win it.
All we learned tonight is that last year's final between our two sides might not have been as clear an indication of the relative difference between the two teams as people thought. After all, a blockbuster in front of a sell-out crowd is better than an 80-point drubbing, I'm sure you will all agree.
Good luck for the rest of the season.

-a Geelong fan who realises that not all Collingwood supporters are tarred with the same brush as the moron who started this thread.

 

[Somebody]

1) where is that stated in the rules? If that's true then you have the winning card in this argument subject to me checking the video again to confirm (not sure that *should* be the rule but that's a diff matter)

2) ..but they *should* have been applying pressure just in case, that happens very often that oppo stops after a whistle but the play-on is still allowed.

That was definently not play on, for 2 reasons.

1) After the umpire called the free kick, the next player to touch the ball was Ottens. For it to be play on advantage, the team who gets the free kick MUST be the next team to touch the ball. They were not

2) Play had stopped. Have a look, Pendles "busts" through the pack of no-one giving a crap as the umpire is going ******* blowing his whistle. No Geelong players were applying pressure but Varcoe.

 

[chefmeister]

Geelong deserved to win. True.
They were heavily favoured by umpiring decisions all night. True.
The two are not mutually exclusive. Geelong deserved their win, but were helped along a fair bit by the umpiring. In September when the umps put the whistles away they're going to find it very tough going when they can't play for frees and get them nearly as easily.

Yeah, coz Geelong don't know how the tough play in September works..
As Dennis said, "Collingwood know they have a rival.. Wow.."
Was a magnificent game, Im just happy to have been a part of it.
It's a long season yet.

Chapman wins a free simply for throwing his head back. Selwood gets high tackle frees when he isn't even tackled high. They were pretty ridiculous. Dawes was molested repeatedly.

Chapman got 1 free. Cant say that swung the game in Geelong's favour...
Selwood got 6 but are you saying they were all fixed?
He also had 7 clangers so why not attack his disposal instead?
As a side note Brown and Krakouer had 6 frees between them. Does this show that frees affect the game?

 

[conodie05]

Why is it that whenever somebody starts a thread discussing contentious umpiring decisions, the OP has to add a disclaimer by saying "its not an excuse or anything"?

It is exactly what it is.

Players will drop an easy mark or miss an easy shot at goal. Likewise, umpires will ocassionally stuff up. Its human nature. The fact that less than 5% of decisions are incorrect with the pace of our game & amount of rules that need to be adhered to, it is a pretty impressive statistic.

However, the advantage that wasn't paid to Pendles would have to be the most monumental stuff up I have ever seen on a football field. Unless Geisch comes out this week and supports his umpire with 100% faith and backs it up with why he was correct in blowing time off so quickly, then I am of the belief that it is the first time I can say without hesitation that an umpire cost a team 4 points.

The irony of being Umpire Appreciation round.

 

[jonbe54]

A direct open clear admission of error

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...sion-denies-goal/story-e6frf9jf-1226055960907

It probably cost us the game but we shouldn't been that close anyway.

 

[chefmeister]

then I am of the belief that it is the first time I can say without hesitation that an umpire cost a team 4 points.

Probably quite correct seeing as the decision against Mooney on Gwilt in last years qualifying final wasn't for points.

 

[Bay Pie]

I'm more disgusted at the pathetic name calling, and down-right ignorant treatment Joel Selwood is copping. Some of the crap I've read over the past 2 days has been moronic at best.

Selwood is a very good player and doesn't need to do what he does to draw free kicks, to win the footy.

But the thing is, the perception of Joel Selwood over the entire league, except Geelong supporters, is that he is doing a very similar thing to what Matthew Lloyd used to do with his diving/staging. Lloyd however did it more towards the end of his career because he was losing it. Selwood has done it for all bar his 1st year or 2, coinciding with the stricter interpretation of high contact. Commentators have caught onto it.

 

[conodie05]

I've got no problem with you blokes talking about the Pendlebury goal decision at all. I think it was a very dubious call.

I'm more disgusted at the pathetic name calling, and down-right ignorant treatment Joel Selwood is copping. Some of the crap I've read over the past 2 days has been moronic at best.

You can all tell me to piss off etc etc, but that's just the way it is. I'm sorry to keep venting about it, but I just can't help standing up for such a GREAT player.

Don't put us all in that basket BBM. Selwood is a star and deserves every free he gets. Exploiting the rule or not, he puts himself in the position to receive a free by putting his head over the ball in a non-blatant fashion. Its a misconception that he plays for frees, just like the misconception that Dale Thomas is a soft outsider.

 

[Zahki]

Probably quite correct seeing as the decision against Mooney on Gwilt in last years qualifying final wasn't for points.

I was beginning to wonder if your fellow supporters had forgotten that particular incident considering the moralising they're doing over this thread.