US troops executing unarmed men

[RogerC]

Relax, fellas. Shooting injured Iraqis is just part of the US campaign to win over Iraqi hearts and minds. If you all cast your minds back to the middle of last year, when Iraq rejoiced over the fall of Saddam and embraced the US with open arms, you'll see that this sort of thing - and Abu Ghraib, which was just a couple of guys doing the sorts of things you might find at a frat party, nothing more - is merely part of the mopping up process.

They're loving it over there. They want to die.

And, lest we forget the reason the US is over there, Colin Powell has recently received a report from a single, uncorroborated souce that Iran is reconstituting its nuclear program. And one of the commanders in Iraq has discovered that Al Zarqawi and Osama Bin Laden are attempting to communicate with each other - no idea where either of them are, can't tell us how he knows, but we can take his word for it - so, anyway, it won't be long before we're smashing the Iranis and shooting some of their unarmed, injured people and we can put this whole Iraqi thing behind us.

You know, the hospitals were almost the first buildings targeted by the US in Fallujah - don't want too many of those distasteful shots of wounded Iraqis being treated getting out to the Western media, do we? But they've got something like three divisions guarding the oil pipelines, so at least we know where their priorities lie.

 

[- PC -]

A new slant on this story.....

This is the story everyone hears: A young Marine and his fire team cautiously enter a room just recently filled with insurgents armed with AK-47's and RPG's. There are three dead, another wailing in pain. The insugent can be heard saying, "Mister, mister! Diktoor, diktoor(doctor)!" He is badly wounded. Suddenly, he pulls from under his bloody clothes a grenade, without the pin. The explosion rocks the room, killing one Marine, wounding the others. The young Marine catches shrapnel in the face. The next day, same Marine, same type of situation, a different story. The young Marine and his cover man enter a room with two wounded insugents. One lies on the floor in puddle of blood, another against the wall. A reporter and his camera survey the wreckage inside, and in the background can be heard the voice of a Marine, "He's moving, he's moving!" The pop of a rifle is heard, and the insurgent against the wall is now dead. Minutes, hours later, the scene is aired on national television, and the Marine is being held for commiting a war crime. Unlawful killing. And now, another Marine has the possibility of being burned at the stake for protecting the life of his brethren. His family now wrings their hands in grief, tears streaming down their face. Brother, should I have been in your boots, i too would have done the same. For those of you who don't know, we Marines, Band of Brothers, Jarheads, Leathernecks, etc., do not fight because we think it is right, or think it is wrong. We are here for the man to our left, and the man to our right. We choose to give our lives so that the man or woman next to us can go home and see their husbands, wives, children, friends and families. For those of you who sit on your couches in front of your television, and choose to condemn this man's actions, I have but one thing to say to you. Get out of you recliner, lace up my boots, pick up a rifle, leave your family behind and join me. See what I've seen, walk where I have walked. To those of you who support us, my sincerest gratitude. You keep us alive. I am a Marine currently doing his second tour in Iraq. These are my opinions and mine alone. They do not represent those of the Marine Corps or of the US military, or any other.

Sincerely,
LCPL Schmidt USMC

Funny thing was it was posted on a satire site so I'm not sure what its trying to say

http://www.slick.com/

 

[jim boy]

An interesting perspective from the cameraman - http://www.kevinsites.net/

 

[sinepari]

But they've got something like three divisions guarding the oil pipelines, so at least we know where their priorities lie.

umm no. 3 divisions i dont think so. Additionally, if u knew anything about the topic, how many divisions would u assign to the countrys most valuable resouce?? 8 men on camels?

 

[sinepari]

Iraq is not free.

It is under occupation by a military force.

Its govt are thugs and murderers appointed by the occupying force

its resources are being r*ped by the occupying force

any resistance is being met with brutal force.

100,000 civilians have been murdered by the US occupying force and that number again of legitimate defenders.

hahah are u one of these blind ppl that fail to see that the so-called resistance is mostly made up of palestinians, syrians and jordanians bringing their fight to iraq...not iraqis. If u think about it, it makes americas goal of taking on most of these 'freedom fighters' alot more easier by having them all in one single location

 

[mantis]

hahah are u one of these blind ppl that fail to see that the so-called resistance is mostly made up of palestinians, syrians and jordanians bringing their fight to iraq...not iraqis. If u think about it, it makes americas goal of taking on most of these 'freedom fighters' alot more easier by having them all in one single location

WTF another idiot making up crap.

 

[sinepari]

WTF another idiot making up crap.

its not crap mate. Im in the military and security industry. I know what im talkin about. The fighters are at least 60% foreign. Dont call ppl idiots until u know for sure the level of their intelligence also

 

[mantis]

its not crap mate. Im in the military and security industry. I know what im talkin about. The fighters are at least 60% foreign. Dont call ppl idiots until u know for sure the level of their intelligence also

IDIOT

 

[1jasonoz]

its not crap mate. Im in the military and security industry. I know what im talkin about. The fighters are at least 60% foreign. Dont call ppl idiots until u know for sure the level of their intelligence also

Please tell us all how you are military and security industry in the one hit dubbo. As an ex serviceman i am interested to hear your expiriances first hand?

 

[sinepari]

Please tell us all how you are military and security industry in the one hit dubbo. As an ex serviceman i am interested to hear your expiriances first hand?

quite simple really. I was in the military and now work(while studying for my masters) for a security organisation (no names) as a specialist. Military matters is one of them.
Everyone claims 'idiot' yet they are the ones who just assume what is happening without gaining accurate information for themselves, instead believe what they read. As an ex-digger yourself im sure you would realise that what we read and hear is very different from the truth.
Duty first to all those who served.

 

[BlueMark]

Interesting Jimboy link from Kevinsites, there was also a very good article in yesterdays Herald Sun by an ex serviceman about his experiences.

To be honest I do have some sympathy for the Marine in question and I suspect he will get off any charges by using the battle fatigue arguement. However the choice he made was incorrect and he has clearly exceeded his orders, it was probably sheer bad luck he got caught on camera. There is however no doubt that both sides have committed war crimes and such as acts should not be dismissed as consquences of war but treated for what they are. Crimes.

ROEs and SOPs are put in place for very valid reasons and that is to prevent such acts. I know from personal tragic experience what happens when SOPs are disregarded, even in peace time people are seriously wounded or die. In combat they are even more important as they prevent blue on blues and other tragedies.

Sinepari your figures are wrong, the actual numbers of foreigners is around 20% as opposed to 90%+ of foreigners fighting on the Provisional Governments side. Also it is clear form the fighting in Mosul, Bagdad and elsewhere that the insurgency is widespread.

Also to be loyal to those who served, does that include the clowns in 1 RAR?


To my mates who didn't beat the 'clock' R.I.P.

 

[Mossie]

its not crap mate. Im in the military and security industry. I know what im talkin about. The fighters are at least 60% foreign. Dont call ppl idiots until u know for sure the level of their intelligence also

Thats the thing about the US.

They know exactly:

how many Insurgents are killed
How many are captured
How many are not Iraqis
The house they just bombed is safe house
Every bombing done by Zarqawi
etc

BUT Civilian deaths......Can't say, won't say...don't count..don't care?

 

[dan warna]

its not crap mate. Im in the military and security industry. I know what im talkin about. The fighters are at least 60% foreign. Dont call ppl idiots until u know for sure the level of their intelligence also

That is not the reports coming from Iraq from even the US and unbiased media.

the vast majority of iraqi's by every poll, every statement want the US out.

the vast majority of iraqi's have informally been supporting the insurgents.

by example the mehdi army which at one stage numbered 10,000 but were massacred for resisting by the US forces, were basically shi'ite iraqis.

the sunni freedom fighters are a mixture of those targetted by the US forces, those who have had family murdered by the US forces, or ex army iraqis.

the majority of the whole country wants the US out, the majority support the freedom fighters against the americans, and they know the americans only went in there to secure the oil.

Just as they murder thousands of fighters in fallujah other cities or areas rise up against the US illegal occupation.

These are people fighting against an invader, just as western europe fought against the nazi invaders, and australia fought against the potential japanese invaders.

the US has stolen their country and they are fighting for it back.

now freaks like al qaeda who are basically enemies of saddam, and secular islamic nations, are using the mess to 1. recruit dissaffected iraqis, they probably think fighting against america in al qaeda colours is no different from fighting against america in the rebel units, and 2. create pandamonium at random against secular targets.

Everyone knew that by invading iraq, a basically fringe but well funded bunch of nuts like al qaeda with only a few hundred members NOW lists thousands of members.

instead of rooting out al qaeda, the US used it as an excuse to control the flow of oil in iraq, creating an al qaeda that they wont flush out for a generation, and is now a threat to every innocent civilian in the west.

this is a monster of bush/cheney/rice etc regime creation

 

[demon_dave]

Dan, you know this and I know this but the trouble is 51% of the population are brainwashed sheep and will just not listen. Also the US have been committing horrendous warcrimes for years and will continue to as the rest of the world are to gutless to stand up to them

 

[redglare]

Well then we might as well just throw out the whole concept of war crimes...because any soldier could use your above excuse as justification for any act, no matter how terrible it might be.

Just out of curiousity.....

If Saddam Hussien had ordered a similar attack on Fallujah a couple of years ago, and one of his troops had committed the same sort of attrocities, would you have been defending these acts as 'innevitable'??

I somehow doubt it.

Its funny how you people seem to have one set of rules for the insurgance, and another set of rules for the invading forces.

Lestat you have stumbled upon the critical difference here.

When Saddam Hussein launched similar attacks, and he and his people committed horrific acts, were they held accountable? Were they charged and sent to court or a war crimes tribunal? No - they only way SAddam was brought to account was from an invasion by force.

The Americans who commit war crimes have a reasonable chance of being prosecuted for their actions. The Administration is held somewhat accountable by the democracy and the free press. Its not perfect, but its preferred.

Dan Warna - your unsubstantiated rantings are absurd. Anyone who opposes YOU is apparently a supporter of all forms of brutality. Out of interest, what do you think should have been done about Saddam Hussein?

 

[sinepari]

That is not the reports coming from Iraq from even the US and unbiased media.

the vast majority of iraqi's by every poll, every statement want the US out.

the vast majority of iraqi's have informally been supporting the insurgents.

by example the mehdi army which at one stage numbered 10,000 but were massacred for resisting by the US forces, were basically shi'ite iraqis.

the sunni freedom fighters are a mixture of those targetted by the US forces, those who have had family murdered by the US forces, or ex army iraqis.

the majority of the whole country wants the US out, the majority support the freedom fighters against the americans, and they know the americans only went in there to secure the oil.

Just as they murder thousands of fighters in fallujah other cities or areas rise up against the US illegal occupation.

These are people fighting against an invader, just as western europe fought against the nazi invaders, and australia fought against the potential japanese invaders.

the US has stolen their country and they are fighting for it back.

now freaks like al qaeda who are basically enemies of saddam, and secular islamic nations, are using the mess to 1. recruit dissaffected iraqis, they probably think fighting against america in al qaeda colours is no different from fighting against america in the rebel units, and 2. create pandamonium at random against secular targets.

Everyone knew that by invading iraq, a basically fringe but well funded bunch of nuts like al qaeda with only a few hundred members NOW lists thousands of members.

instead of rooting out al qaeda, the US used it as an excuse to control the flow of oil in iraq, creating an al qaeda that they wont flush out for a generation, and is now a threat to every innocent civilian in the west.

this is a monster of bush/cheney/rice etc regime creation

lol cos u havnt been

 

[GuruJane]

That is not the reports coming from Iraq from even the US and unbiased media.

the vast majority of iraqi's by every poll, every statement want the US out.

the vast majority of iraqi's have informally been supporting the insurgents.

by example the mehdi army which at one stage numbered 10,000 but were massacred for resisting by the US forces, were basically shi'ite iraqis.

the sunni freedom fighters are a mixture of those targetted by the US forces, those who have had family murdered by the US forces, or ex army iraqis.

the majority of the whole country wants the US out, the majority support the freedom fighters against the americans, and they know the americans only went in there to secure the oil.

Just as they murder thousands of fighters in fallujah other cities or areas rise up against the US illegal occupation.

These are people fighting against an invader, just as western europe fought against the nazi invaders, and australia fought against the potential japanese invaders.

the US has stolen their country and they are fighting for it back.

now freaks like al qaeda who are basically enemies of saddam, and secular islamic nations, are using the mess to 1. recruit dissaffected iraqis, they probably think fighting against america in al qaeda colours is no different from fighting against america in the rebel units, and 2. create pandamonium at random against secular targets.

Everyone knew that by invading iraq, a basically fringe but well funded bunch of nuts like al qaeda with only a few hundred members NOW lists thousands of members.

instead of rooting out al qaeda, the US used it as an excuse to control the flow of oil in iraq, creating an al qaeda that they wont flush out for a generation, and is now a threat to every innocent civilian in the west.

You still banging on Odan Bin Warna?

Haven't you noticed that .....

this is a monster of bush/cheney/rice etc regime creation

Are the Winners?

 

[Freo Big Fella]

You still banging on Odan Bin Warna?

Haven't you noticed that .....



Are the Winners?

Riechstag 1933 anyone?

 

[tess]

quite simple really. I was in the military(salvation army this is) and now work(while studying for my mastersThanks to Wheat Bix) for a security organisation (chubb) as a specialist(bouncer).

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[sinepari]

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hahahahha so funny. p.m me and ill be happy to tell u wat i can