Roast Vent Thread

[Tigerturbulance]

Just got my members scarf; crappy feel: crappy graphics------- I'm finally on board about the state of the club-------------____________sack dimma immediately

 

[Helen Wheels]

Just got my members scarf; crappy feel: crappy graphics------- I'm finally on board about the state of the club-------------____________sack dimma immediately

Hit it with the Fabric Softener in the wash.

 

[Tigerturbulance]

Hit it with the Fabric Softener in the wash.

thanks mum

 

[Heisenberg_]

Pretty much!

We've all been there

 

[I Rock]

Official AFL Merchandise printed overseas. ****'en pisses me off no end.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Not even game day jumpers are made here apparently.

Nothing is made in Australia no more.Not even babies.

 

[Helen Wheels]

Nothing is made in Australia no more.Not even babies.

Outsourcing is cheaper and more efficient.

 

[smasha]

Official AFL Merchandise printed overseas. ****'en pisses me off no end.

Tighter than a rabbits arse.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Official AFL Merchandise printed overseas. ****'en pisses me off no end.

People complain about the costs of our gear as it is. Would they pay 50-100% more just for oz made?

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Outsourcing is cheaper and more efficient.

Not sure about that.Ask Brad Pitt.

 

[Nostradumbass]

Nothing is made in Australia no more.Not even babies.

**** straya

 

[wegetpumped]

People complain about the costs of our gear as it is. Would they pay 50-100% more just for oz made?

People would support ozy made stuff. !1 if they mass produced stuff here things wouldn't be as expensive. If the chain involved making stuff here was all around things would be cheaper. But like most other countries which are now dreading we went the chepo way called CHINA MADE> Even if someone wanted to start an ozy business they would have to bring in parts from you know where not to mention labor.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

People would support ozy made stuff. !1 if they mass produced stuff here things wouldn't be as expensive. If the chain involved making stuff here was all around things would be cheaper. But like most other countries which are now dreading we went the chepo way called CHINA MADE> Even if someone wanted to start an ozy business they would have to bring in parts from you know where not to mention labor.

So much of this post is wrong

1) people don't support oz made. They say they do, but if they did we wouldn't have lost the footwear and textile jobs in the 80's, the plastics in the 90's, and the auto industry in the 2000's

2) we cannot mass produce to the scale of china because we lack the domestic demand to under right large mass production runs, and we are on the wrong side of world shipping lanes to be a cheap export hub (too few containers come to and from Australia). A client once gave me an example. Australian national clothing chains order stock in the hundreds or low thousands. Many Chinese plants have a minimum run of 1,000,000. We cannot compete with those economies of scale for cheap mass production.

3) we are dreading nothing. We have low unemployment because people have found jobs elsewhere. So jobs were always going offshore unless you banned imports or imposed 500% tariffs (our high bracket used to be 40%). Just like Knut, you cannot stop the tide by yelling at it.

4) if you wanted to manufacture textiles, your plant wouldn't come from china most likely. You would probably buy from the USA or Europe, where most of the worlds capital plant is still made and manufacturered. As for labour, this would be your killer. Textiles are highly labour intensive because they only garment construction that can be fully automated are buttons and zippers. At minimum wage levels you would have incredibly high prices, unless you drop the quality of materials significantly. Also you would struggle to fill those jobs because they suck. It's painful hard work, and Australians have little interest in this work (ask an abbittoir how hard hiring is these days)

 

[Goldust]

So much of this post is wrong

1) people don't support oz made. They say they do, but if they did we wouldn't have lost the footwear and textile jobs in the 80's, the plastics in the 90's, and the auto industry in the 2000's

2) we cannot mass produce to the scale of china because we lack the domestic demand to under right large mass production runs, and we are on the wrong side of world shipping lanes to be a cheap export hub (too few containers come to and from Australia). A client once gave me an example. Australian national clothing chains order stock in the hundreds or low thousands. Many Chinese plants have a minimum run of 1,000,000. We cannot compete with those economies of scale for cheap mass production.

3) we are dreading nothing. We have low unemployment because people have found jobs elsewhere. So jobs were always going offshore unless you banned imports or imposed 500% tariffs (our high bracket used to be 40%). Just like Knut, you cannot stop the tide by yelling at it.

4) if you wanted to manufacture textiles, your plant wouldn't come from china most likely. You would probably buy from the USA or Europe, where most of the worlds capital plant is still made and manufacturered. As for labour, this would be your killer. Textiles are highly labour intensive because they only garment construction that can be fully automated are buttons and zippers. At minimum wage levels you would have incredibly high prices, unless you drop the quality of materials significantly. Also you would struggle to fill those jobs because they suck. It's painful hard work, and Australians have little interest in this work (ask an abbittoir how hard hiring is these days)

WELL spoken. Very well.

 

[Hot tigers]

So much of this post is wrong

1) people don't support oz made. They say they do, but if they did we wouldn't have lost the footwear and textile jobs in the 80's, the plastics in the 90's, and the auto industry in the 2000's

2) we cannot mass produce to the scale of china because we lack the domestic demand to under right large mass production runs, and we are on the wrong side of world shipping lanes to be a cheap export hub (too few containers come to and from Australia). A client once gave me an example. Australian national clothing chains order stock in the hundreds or low thousands. Many Chinese plants have a minimum run of 1,000,000. We cannot compete with those economies of scale for cheap mass production.

3) we are dreading nothing. We have low unemployment because people have found jobs elsewhere. So jobs were always going offshore unless you banned imports or imposed 500% tariffs (our high bracket used to be 40%). Just like Knut, you cannot stop the tide by yelling at it.

4) if you wanted to manufacture textiles, your plant wouldn't come from china most likely. You would probably buy from the USA or Europe, where most of the worlds capital plant is still made and manufacturered. As for labour, this would be your killer. Textiles are highly labour intensive because they only garment construction that can be fully automated are buttons and zippers. At minimum wage levels you would have incredibly high prices, unless you drop the quality of materials significantly. Also you would struggle to fill those jobs because they suck. It's painful hard work, and Australians have little interest in this work (ask an abbittoir how hard hiring is these days)

Spot on mate, except i would argue point 4 is now in India and also places like Vietnam, having lived in the mainland for over 10 years and Asia for over 15 we generally get a very different perception than the Aussie media and Govt shoving rubbish down our throats, not to say ALL media are doing that as they are.

I think people only need to look at Singapore who do not have a single resource and import all their drinking water, yet the country is a commercial powerhouse given its size (relative). I think again it shows a one size doesn't fit all...

 

[DrMike]

1) people don't support oz made. They say they do, but if they did we wouldn't have lost the footwear and textile jobs in the 80's, the plastics in the 90's, and the auto industry in the 2000's

Only point I'd argue is that people with the purchasing capacity are still likely to buy Australian made if given the choice. Think of it more like a luxury item.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Only point I'd argue is that people with the purchasing capacity are still likely to buy Australian made if given the choice. Think of it more like a luxury item.

Do you have any examples (outside food where we are a low cost high quality manufacturer because of our land)?

Not meaning to sound shitty btw, but i used to think the same. Now however i genuinely struggle to think of areas outside food where this happens.

Even ugg boots are made offshore more and more now

 

[DrMike]

Do you have any examples (outside food where we are a low cost high quality manufacturer because of our land)?

Not meaning to sound shitty btw, but i used to think the same. Now however i genuinely struggle to think of areas outside food where this happens.

Even ugg boots are made offshore more and more now

Not really. Beer?

What I said and what you said are different things. You're talking what industries are doing, I'm talking buyer purchasing behaviour. They don't preclude the other.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Not really. Beer?

What I said and what you said are different things. You're talking what industries are doing, I'm talking buyer purchasing behaviour. They don't preclude the other.

Beer we have a competitive advantage in

For food we have huge advantages. No snows, temperate climate, and access to clean and cheap water means we can grow quality food ingredients cheaply.

Beer we do well because we are able to make barley and hops cheaply of a high quality.

I am a big supporter of the food industry because its where our strengths lie. Our ability to grow food cheaply overcomes our disadvantages of distance and global location.

Consumer product manufacturing however isnt our thing. We dont have cheap labour, we dont have a large consumer market, and we dont exist on a shipping hub.

 

[Livonski]

I feel we should all get credits for our MBAs by reading rfctiger74 posts on the economy.
Quality.

 

[SouthernStripes]

I feel we should all get credits for our MBAs by reading rfctiger74 posts on the economy.
Quality.

Yep, quality posts and great discussion. This forum offers a lot more than footy talk and being silly. Much repect

 

[Heisenberg_]

I feel we should all get credits for our MBAs by reading rfctiger74 posts on the economy.
Quality.

tl;dr

 

[Ned_Flanders]

I feel we should all get credits for our MBAs by reading rfctiger74 posts on the economy.
Quality.

I thought i was a mod imposed board wide punishment for our blatant use of the word Norf

 

[Goldust]

Not really. Beer?

What I said and what you said are different things. You're talking what industries are doing, I'm talking buyer purchasing behaviour. They don't preclude the other.

LMAO ... BEER.
Australian beer is the most expensive in the world, 90 per cent of due to taxes
The only thing that makes Aussie beer looks cheap is the fact we way overcharge for foreign beers.
Like $60 a slab for Corona here. You can buy it for $22 in the US.

 

[Heisenberg_]

LMAO ... BEER.
Australian beer is the most expensive in the world, 90 per cent of due to taxes
The only thing that makes Aussie beer looks cheap is the fact we way overcharge for foreign beers.
Like $60 a slab for Corona here. You can buy it for $22 in the US.

$22 is still overpriced for a slab of Corona