VFL flags don't count.

[DockersMad]

perhaps check the history section on the website before you write shit.

Well sheeit, of course I know the history.

I was playing games with someone who probably doesn't spend all day researching opposition facts and you just stumble in and spoil the fun with hard work and research. Are you new to this game?

 

[Riggy1]

One small difference. The PAFC that won all the premierships in the SANFL also won the 1994 tender to move to the AFL. Which they did. The FFC that won the premierships in the 1890s disbanded at the turn of the 19th century and there is no continuity between the two FFC clubs.

Actually, that Fremantle became South Fremantle

or are you talking about the Fremantle before that, which folded?

 

[CallMeAl]

Amusing how some Port Knobs want to claim being the most successful football club in Australia.

Currie FC 38 premierships
North FC 43 premierships

 

[D_One]

Actually, that Fremantle became South Fremantle

or are you talking about the Fremantle before that, which folded?

It doesn't matter which 19th century Fremantle we are talking about as there is no continuity between the Fremantle FC that became the South Fremantle FC in the WAFL and the Fremantle that is playing in the AFL. Just like there is no continuity between the Adelaide FC that won the 1886 SAFA premiership and the Camry Crows FC that plays in the AFL. Likewise there is no continuity between SANFL South Adelaide and AFL Camry Crows.

Fremantle supporters claiming South Fremantle and East Fremantle WAFL flags is as stupid as the Camry Crows supporters claiming South Adelaide, North Adelaide and Port Adelaide SANFL flags or Melbourne claiming Port Melbourne's VFA/VFL flags.

 

[TheGoatBaron]

It doesn't matter which 19th century Fremantle we are talking about as there is no continuity between the Fremantle FC that became the South Fremantle FC in the WAFL and the Fremantle that is playing in the AFL. Just like there is no continuity between the Adelaide FC that won the 1886 SAFA premiership and the Camry Crows FC that plays in the AFL. Likewise there is no continuity between SANFL South Adelaide and AFL Camry Crows.

Fremantle supporters claiming South Fremantle and East Fremantle WAFL flags is as stupid as the Camry Crows supporters claiming South Adelaide, North Adelaide and Port Adelaide SANFL flags or Melbourne claiming Port Melbourne's VFA/VFL flags.

Why would Melbourne Demons claim Port Melbourne's flags for? Two totally different clubs. I find that comment rather strange.... If anything, it's the Swans could make a claim for it, if you have any idea, with Port Melbourne's history. But even then, we shouldn't.

And it's the same reason, why it's stupid for some Power supporters to claim the Magpies premierships, ain't that right?

 

[D_One]

Why would Melbourne Demons claim Port Melbourne's flags for? Two totally different clubs. I find that comment rather strange.... If anything, it's the Swans could make a claim for it, if you have any idea, with Port Melbourne's history. But even then, we shouldn't.

I agree. On the previous page there was a Freo supporter alluding to the fact that they should be able to count East Fremantle and South Fremantle WAFL flags just because both these clubs they have "Fremantle" in their name. Three totally different clubs.

I was just pointing out to the Freo supporter that this is as stupid as Melbourne supporters claiming Port Melbourne's VFA/VFL flags just because that club has "Melbourne" in its name.

And it's the same reason, why it's stupid for some Power supporters to claim the Magpies premierships, ain't that right?

Does that mean that the Sydney Football Club cannot claim the VFA/VFL premierships won by the South Melbourne Football club? The South Melbourne Football club only became known as the "Swans" in the 1930s. Does that mean that the Swans can't claim the premierships won by the "Bloods" in 1909 and 1918?

The PAFC (est. 1870) that won all those SANFL premierships also won the 1994 tender to enter the AFL. Just like Hawthorn, North Melbourne and Footscray did about 70 years earlier when they moved from the VFA to the VFL.

 

[TheGoatBaron]

I agree. On the previous page there was a Freo supporter alluding to the fact that they should be able to count East Fremantle and South Fremantle WAFL flags just because both these clubs they have "Fremantle" in their name. Three totally different clubs.

I was just pointing out to the Freo supporter that this is as stupid as Melbourne supporters claiming Port Melbourne's VFA/VFL flags just because that club has "Melbourne" in its name.



Does that mean that the Sydney Football Club cannot claim the VFA/VFL premierships won by the South Melbourne Football club? The South Melbourne Football club only became known as the "Swans" in the 1930s. Does that mean that the Swans can't claim the premierships won by the "Bloods" in 1909 and 1918?

The PAFC (est. 1870) that won all those SANFL premierships also won the 1994 tender to enter the AFL. Just like Hawthorn, North Melbourne and Footscray did about 70 years earlier when they moved from the VFA to the VFL.

Yes we can claim South Melbourne's premierships, because we didn't merge with another club unlike the Brisbane Lions, we just relocated, so don't try that one on me or any Swans supporter. We have the same history! Where as, the Brisbane Lions came about from two different clubs, with two totally different histories.

Whereas, Port Adelaide Magpies and Port Adelaide Power are two totally different clubs, and the Port Adelaide Magpies, won their premierships in the SANFL, not the VFL/AFL, why is that so hard to understand for some people? You're just saying, that the SANFL and the VFL are the same league, when you're claiming the Magpies premierships and that just doesn't make any sense.

The Port Adelaide Power has only won 1 premiership, all you Power supporters, have to deal with it.

 

[magpies007]

The reason Victoria teams are getting as much success in the AFL is because the AFL is rigged into helping interstate teams as the have a bigger salary cap and the like. Gold Coast will have more success than Carlon and Collingwood because the AFL are giving them an unfair advantage. Thats why Victorians still look back at the VFL.

 

[DockersMad]

The PAFC (est. 1870) that won all those SANFL premierships also won the 1994 tender to enter the AFL.

How many players did they bring with them?

 

[Hollow Knight]

The reason Victoria teams are getting as much success in the AFL is because the AFL is rigged into helping interstate teams as the have a bigger salary cap and the like. Gold Coast will have more success than Carlon and Collingwood because the AFL are giving them an unfair advantage. Thats why Victorians still look back at the VFL.

I wonder if the Gold Coast would trade their salary cap concessions in exchange for 18 games on the Coast every year.

 

[TheGoatBaron]

Originally Posted by D_One
The PAFC (est. 1870) that won all those SANFL premierships also won the 1994 tender to enter the AFL.

How many players did they bring with them?

And the Power supporters seem to forget that they joined "our" league, making their history in the SANFL obselete when they joined "our" league. Their history in the SANFL has nothing to do with the VFL/AFL history and as far as I'm concerned, the Power has only won 1 premiership. I know it hurts some Power supporters to think this, but the truth does hurt.

 

[D_One]

How many players did they bring with them?

There were 15 players who had played for Port prior to us joining the AFL. Eight of which played in our opening AFL game.

 

[TheGoatBaron]

There were 15 players who had played for Port prior to us joining the AFL. Eight of which played in our opening AFL game.

So that makes your SANFL premierships legit in the AFL competition, does it?

You do realise, that the SANFL and the AFL are two different competitions, yeah?

 

[CallMeAl]

I agree. On the previous page there was a Freo supporter alluding to the fact that they should be able to count East Fremantle and South Fremantle WAFL flags just because both these clubs they have "Fremantle" in their name. Three totally different clubs.

I was just pointing out to the Freo supporter that this is as stupid as Melbourne supporters claiming Port Melbourne's VFA/VFL flags just because that club has "Melbourne" in its name.



Does that mean that the Sydney Football Club cannot claim the VFA/VFL premierships won by the South Melbourne Football club? The South Melbourne Football club only became known as the "Swans" in the 1930s. Does that mean that the Swans can't claim the premierships won by the "Bloods" in 1909 and 1918?

The PAFC (est. 1870) that won all those SANFL premierships also won the 1994 tender to enter the AFL. Just like Hawthorn, North Melbourne and Footscray did about 70 years earlier when they moved from the VFA to the VFL.

...and just as premierships won by those clubs in the VFA are not recognised by the VFL/AFL, nor should any of Port's premierships in the SANFL. They are still part of the clubs' history, just not part of the clubs' history in the VFL/AFL

 

[PortBrillance]

the SAFL and SANFL flags are considered the same. Just because the AFL and VFL don't add the VFA flags even though it was the same league.

oh and clearly our flags weren't won in the VFL/AFL so of course they won't be counted. Ask any port fans on how many flags you've won, they'll say 35. Ask how many AFL flags, every port fan would say 1. no one ever denys this

 

[D_One]

So that makes your SANFL premierships legit in the AFL competition, does it?

You do realise, that the SANFL and the AFL are two different competitions, yeah?

...and just as premierships won by those clubs in the VFA are not recognised by the VFL/AFL, nor should any of Port's premierships in the SANFL. They are still part of the clubs' history, just not part of the clubs' history in the VFL/AFL

Please show me the post where I say that SANFL flags = AFL flags.

Port Adelaide Football Club: 34 SAFA/SAFL/SANFL Premierships, 1 AFL premiership

I'll go on the record and say that SANFL flags are not the same as AFL flags. But VFL flags are also not the same as AFL flags. FFS Fitzroy won the 1916 wooden spoon after only winning 2 home and away games. They then won 3 finals and claimed the VFL premierships. Yet morons like you two seem to want to put this flag at the same status as Geelong's 2009 flag.

There is no way known that the 1916 VFL premiership can be put on the same tally board as the 2009 AFL premiership.

 

[CallMeAl]

Wasn't aimed at you directly, just that your post highlighted a point that many don't seem to be able to comprehend.

the SAFL and SANFL flags are considered the same. Just because the AFL and VFL don't add the VFA flags even though it was the same league.

oh and clearly our flags weren't won in the VFL/AFL so of course they won't be counted. Ask any port fans on how many flags you've won, they'll say 35. Ask how many AFL flags, every port fan would say 1. no one ever denys this

Are you suggesting the VFL and VFA were the same league?.

 

[D_One]

Wasn't aimed at you directly, just that your post highlighted a point that many don't seem to be able to comprehend.



Are you suggesting the VFL and VFA were the same league?.

The 1897 VFL competition was subset of the 1896 VFA competition. Just as the 4 team 1916 VFL competition was subset of the 9 team 1915 VFL competition. The continuity between the 1896VFA/1897VFL seasons is the same as the continuity between the 1915VFL/1916VFL seasons.

You seem to want to include some continuities, such as the 1989 VFL to 1990 AFL, but ignore others.

 

[CallMeAl]

The VFL competition was a newly formed league by clubs who broke away from the VFA and ran in competition to the VFA. That is an entirely new league, not a subset.

The case of 1915/1916 is the same league, just that due to the war a number of clubs did/could not field a team. Still the same league though, just reduced numbers of participants due to a World War.

 

[D_One]

The VFL competition was a newly formed league by clubs who broke away from the VFA and ran in competition to the VFA. That is an entirely new league, not a subset.

The case of 1915/1916 is the same league, just that due to the war a number of clubs did/could not field a team. Still the same league though, just reduced numbers of participants due to a World War.

The 1981 VFL competition was a state league comprised of 12 Victorian based team.

The 1997 AFL competition was a national league comprised of subset of 10 Victorian based former VFL teams, one former SANFL team, a Sydney based relocated VFL team from 1981, a merged entity based in Brisbane, an artificial entity based in Perth and two pseudo-state teams from SA and WA.

Over a 16 period the 12 team VFL state league morphed into a completely new and different 16 team national league.

Saying the 1981 VFL competition is the same as the 1997 AFL competition is folly. Saying the 4 team 1916 VFL flag is equivalent to 2009 AFL flag is absolute moron-speak.

 

[CallMeAl]

The 1981 VFL competition was a state league comprised of 12 Victorian based team.

The 1997 AFL competition was a national league comprised of subset of 10 Victorian based former VFL teams, one former SANFL team, a Sydney based relocated VFL team from 1981, a merged entity based in Brisbane, an artificial entity based in Perth and two pseudo-state teams from SA and WA.

Over a 16 period the 12 team VFL state league morphed into a completely new and different 16 team national league.

Saying the 1981 VFL competition is the same as the 1997 AFL competition is folly. Saying the 4 team 1916 VFL flag is equivalent to 2009 AFL flag is absolute moron-speak.

Morphing is when something changes, which is different to something being created from scratch.

Didn't Port Adeleaide Magpies morph into Port Power?

I never said anything about same or equal. I said they were recognised as flags won in the VFL/AFL. I'll leave the puerile pissing contests about which flags are worth the most to others.

 

[D_One]

Morphing is when something changes, which is different to something being created from scratch.

Didn't Port Adeleaide Magpies morph into Port Power?

I never said anything about same or equal. I said they were recognised as flags won in the VFL/AFL. I'll leave the puerile pissing contests about which flags are worth the most to others.

FFS learn your history and keep your ignorance on the other side of your keyboard.

Before 1997 there was no "Port Adelaide Magpies Football Club" and there has never been a "Port Power Football Club".

There was a "Port Adelaide Football Club" playing in the SANFL in 1996. In 1994 this club won a tender to enter the AFL. When the "Port Adelaide Football Club" moved to the AFL they had to change their moniker to the Power as there was already an AFL club using the Magpies moniker.

A new club called the "Port Adelaide Magpies Football Club" was created at the SANFL's bequest to fill the void created by the departure of the "Port Adelaide Football Club".

Why do idiots keep pushing the argument that the club that won the 1994 tender to enter the AFL never actually entered the AFL. Are you people that stupid?

 

[CallMeAl]

If you want to get penandtic about the actual name then bully for you. What i was saying is exactly what you are ranting about. When I said port adelaide magpies, i never meant that as in their "officially registered name". I meant the Port Adelaide Football Club that played in the SANF under the moniker of Magpies, morphed into the Port Adelaide Football club that now plays as Power in the AFL.

Remember the word morph . As i have already explained it is when something changes, which is what the Port Adelaide Football club and the VFL both did, as oppossed to ending one thing and starting from scratch, which is what the VFL did when they first started.

I know it's late, but concentrate.

 

[Johnny Utah #9]

The 1981 VFL competition was a state league comprised of 12 Victorian based team.

The 1997 AFL competition was a national league comprised of subset of 10 Victorian based former VFL teams, one former SANFL team, a Sydney based relocated VFL team from 1981, a merged entity based in Brisbane, an artificial entity based in Perth and two pseudo-state teams from SA and WA.

Over a 16 period the 12 team VFL state league morphed into a completely new and different 16 team national league.

Saying the 1981 VFL competition is the same as the 1997 AFL competition is folly. Saying the 4 team 1916 VFL flag is equivalent to 2009 AFL flag is absolute moron-speak.

Using your logic D_One then Collingwood's 1990 flag outweighs Hawthorn's 1989 one or their 1988 or Carlton's 1987??

Nevermind that the EXACT same 14 teams contested those seasons. Please explain the difference because i can't see it!!

Furthermore, you can't just pick a random year like 1981 and say that it's not as good as a flag in 1997. It doesn't work that way. That would be like saying Port's 2004 flag doesn't compare to whoever wins the 2011 flag because Gold Coast weren't in it in 2004! Yes, i acknowledge that some flags in bygone eras were won in strange circumstances due to WWI and WWII etc, but they still count so get over it. Same applied in every football league in Australia.

Face facts people.....Port, Crows, WCE, Freo and Bris joined the VFL/AFL. History does not reset. No different to Burnley joining the Premier League for the first time didn't reset that leagues history or Toronto Raptors joining the NBA reset all of the previous titles won by other sides.

 

[Toots Hibbert]

I reject the OP out of hand.

I support the Victorian clubs' right to count their state league flags. They have the same right as Port have to count their state league flags.