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Jake thinks the real Putin did not turn up and he sent a body double. I am not convinced either way, but I hope it was a body double and the US discovered this. Would explain why the meeting was simply called off a few hours in without the planned lunch.

How humiliating for Trump if Putin could not be bothered to turn up.

It was the chinless double. First time I have seen him make all those strange, un-Putin facial expressions. Making fun of Trump. I wonder if the maggots will notice.
 
They're finally sending troops?

Not sure what Europeons are waiting for? Russia has already enlisted foreign nation militiaries into their army. I am not saying that European armys should go head to head with the Russians, but they can provide back end support to the Ukraninan army but also Ukraininan emergency services who are also doing hard with Russian terrorist attacks on the civilian population.
 
Posting here coz off-topic in the Trump thread where it started

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1293492/ukraine-war-casualties/ https://edition.cnn.com/2025/06/04/europe/russia-war-casualties-1-million-ukraine-intl how many casualties would you like? How much longer would you like this to go for? How many Russians will be killed by Putin sending them to the front line?
These are questions for Vlad, bizarre that you'd be asking anyone else.

If Russia stops fighting the war is over
If Ukraine stops fighting Ukraine is over

As true now as it was in 2022, pretty straightforward ¯\(ツ)
 

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Trump will be hell bent on trying to give Russia the green light to take over Ukraine , he is that desperate to get a Nobel peace prize.
Ukraine can't risk losing US intelligence so it's going to be the Europeans that have to get into Trump. God knows what happens tomorrow with the meeting.
 
His [Zelenskyy] message was clear: although Russia controls about 20% of Ukrainian territory, subtract areas seized in 2014-2015 during Ukraine’s weakness, and Russian gains over three and a half years of full-scale war have been remarkably limited.

Ukraine made a crucial adjustment by dropping its insistence on NATO membership as the only acceptable security arrangement.
Putin finds himself in an increasingly difficult position. Having claimed NATO expansion was Russia’s primary concern, he now faces a situation where Trump has categorically ruled out Ukrainian NATO membership.


Zelenskyy to Trump and allies: Russia took 1% in 1000 days, not 20%
 
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From ASTRA :

The Armed Forces of Ukraine attacked a fuel train with missiles and drones in the Zaporizhzhia region. Four military personnel were killed, 14 wagons derailed

ASTRA uncovered details of the attack on the railway train in the occupied part of the Zaporizhzhia region on August 19.

On the morning of August 19, a train traveling from occupied Volnovakha to Dzhankoi hit a mine. This happened in the Chernihiv district near the Stulnevo station. The driver tried to brake urgently. At the same time, the tail part of the train was hit by a UAV.

As a result, according to ASTRA sources in emergency services, 14 fuel tank cars derailed and overturned, two of which caught fire.

Two fire trains were sent to extinguish the fire, but the Armed Forces of Ukraine attacked the area again using two HIMARS rockets and drones.

At 1 p.m., the Armed Forces of Ukraine struck the fire site again. Four servicemen who were escorting and guarding the train were killed. Another 11 soldiers were injured. At the moment of the strike, they were 300 meters from the burning tank cars.

The railway track was also damaged.

In total, the train was carrying 16 gasoline tank cars and 4 diesel fuel tank cars. According to sources, the train was also equipped with a platform with an electronic warfare system.

Earlier, photos and videos of the attack and its aftermath were published by Ukrainian channels.

Today, the “governor” of the occupied part of the Zaporizhzhia region, Balitsky, stated that gasoline shortages are partly due to logistics problems, as fuel trains are under threat of Ukrainian attacks.
 

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From Ukrainian news source "Defence Express":

Ukraine is now producing around 3,000 FP-1 long-range drones per month—about 100 per day—matching Russia’s Shahed output but at less than a third of the cost. Each FP-1 costs roughly $55,000 compared to $193,000 for a Shahed. Built with simple plywood frames and carrying up to 60–120 kg warheads, FP-1s offer Ukraine a cheap, mass-producible strike weapon with a range of up to 1,600 km.
 

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Trump will be hell bent on trying to give Russia the green light to take over Ukraine , he is that desperate to get a Nobel peace prize.
Ukraine can't risk losing US intelligence so it's going to be the Europeans that have to get into Trump. God knows what happens tomorrow with the meeting.
More proof that trump and the US are doing their best to help russia conquer Ukraine
 


"It is a curious thing when a superpower begins to run out of the two things it needs most in war: fuel and men. Yet that is precisely what seems to be happening to Russia in Ukraine."

"Wars are often decided less by the brilliance of generals than by the endurance of nations. By that measure, Russia is faltering. Ukraine, bloodied but unbowed, still stands."


Russia a petrostate without petrol.

"My men can eat their belts but my tanks gotta have gas"

George Patton
 
This is what is being missed in a lot of coverage which is focusing on the gains and losses on the battlefield. Ukraine is adopting a whole of society war against Russia, hitting its most vital infrastructure where it is weakest.

Mick Ryan covers this in his latest:

There is an often-used metaphor that is employed to challenge Russian narratives about success in this war. It goes like this:

Imagine it is 2006. It is three years after the U.S. invasion of Iraq. After three years, America has only succeeded in taking 20% of the country, has not yet toppled Saddam Hussein, and has suffered over one million casualties. Would we view this as ‘winning’?
I think it is a useful framework for examining military and strategic success and failure in this war. But I would add another layer to this metaphor which, I believe, really brings home the precarious position that Russia is in. The additional layer is this:

Imagine again that it is 2006, and in addition to the ongoing operations in Iraq with the conditions described previously, that Iraq is undertaking a widespread serious of strikes against oil and gas production, refining and storage facilities across America.
Do we seriously think that this would not have a massive impact on American politics, war policy and the economy? It would certainly have an influence on domestic views of winning and losing and would objectively indicate that America was not winning.

This is the situation that Russia now faces.
 

The most noticeable change is the increased size. This is due to the use of a larger amount of fuel and, likely, explosives, which has resulted in an increased diameter and length of the missile.

In March 2025, it was reported that Ukraine’s defense sector had increased the range of the Neptune cruise missile. The Ukrainian missile is now capable of striking at 1,000 kilometers.

At that time, it was also confirmed that the Long Neptune had already undergone testing and successful combat use with precise hits.
 

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