Europe War in Ukraine - Thread 5 - thread rules updated

[Millky95]

 

[Zidane98]

Perhaps Ukraine is really a proxy for Australia?

#Vatnik logic

 

[Zidane98]

Russian shadow fleet tanker decommissioned in the Mediterranean - by Ukraine.

The messaging is clear - as long as Putin continues his fascist invasion of Ukraine Russian shadow fleet tankers can be taken out anywhere at any time

 

[Visions]

Usual classic self-own by the RF.

Putin is so desperate in reporting any victory during the complete failure of his summer campaign the last few months that he is resorting to having to deal with propaganda and pretend that they have actually captured a major town somewhere along the line.

A lot of people (mainly Russian bootlickers) are saying that Ukraine has a manpower shortage. Fact is:

• Russia does not have enough troops to fight and put pressure along the entire frontline
• Russia does not have enough troops or equipment to organise any meaningful mechanised assaults
• Russia does not have enough reserves to rotate in areas like Pokrovsk
• Russia is having to pull troops away from areas like the south of Ukraine and Kupyansk to fight in Pokrovsk
• Even Russian milbloggers are saying Russia has less troops in the Kupyansk area than Ukraine. They aren't going to capture the city with inferior numbers.

 

[Visions]

Europe's chance to show he's wrong today, however I'm betting on them squibbing using Russian frozen assets. Only reinforcing to Putin that Europe talks, but when it comes time to walk the walk, they'll instead talk some more. If Europe does show some balls, standing up to Russia (and Trump) to use those assets, then 2026 will be the year Russia loses. Not some grand retreat back across their borders (unless Putin dies), but even their very slow advances will stop, all whilst their economy goes from teetering to completely wrecked.

Well Europe (or shall I say Belgium where the majority of Russian assets are held) did shit the bed in providing a loan using frozen Russian assets.

They however will be proving a 90 billion euro interest free loan instead via the general market underwritten by the EU budget, so Ukraine still gets what was required.

 

[rank and file]

Well Europe (or shall I say Belgium where the majority of Russian assets are held) did shit the bed in providing a loan using frozen Russian assets.

They however will be proving a 90 billion euro interest free loan instead via the general market underwritten by the EU budget, so Ukraine still gets what was required.

Paperwork signed,billions change hands.
War should be over by Christmas,fingers crossed.

 

[rank and file]

Putin is so desperate in reporting any victory during the complete failure of his summer campaign the last few months that he is resorting to having to deal with propaganda and pretend that they have actually captured a major town somewhere along the line.

A lot of people (mainly Russian bootlickers) are saying that Ukraine has a manpower shortage. Fact is:

• Russia does not have enough troops to fight and put pressure along the entire frontline
• Russia does not have enough troops or equipment to organise any meaningful mechanised assaults
• Russia does not have enough reserves to rotate in areas like Pokrovsk
• Russia is having to pull troops away from areas like the south of Ukraine and Kupyansk to fight in Pokrovsk
• Even Russian milbloggers are saying Russia has less troops in the Kupyansk area than Ukraine. They aren't going to capture the city with inferior numbers.

Summer's over,winter campaign.
Same shit as the last 4 years,no winners.

 

[Zidane98]

Paperwork signed,billions change hands.
War should be over by Christmas,fingers crossed.

Only way that happens is if all of Ukraine's allies get together and take Putin on directly in Ukraine.


Make it clear the only options to Russia are massive losses or withdrawal.

 

[Zidane98]

 

[Aussie in exile]

Keep up the good work Ukraine

 

[Zidane98]

Free bottle of vodka for our resident vatniks who can guess how much of that $45 billion in military assistance is funded by the US who they claim Ukraine couldn't fight the war without.

 

[Zidane98]

Putin is destroying Russia's future

 

[Aussie in exile]

Putin is destroying Russia's future

If Ukraine can continue to destroy russian infrastructure for another 18 months putin will be begging for peace talks

 

[Zidane98]

If Ukraine can continue to destroy russian infrastructure for another 18 months putin will be begging for peace talks

China will take over Siberia. This is where the war is heading for Putin.

Best bet is for Putin to do an exile deal in China / Venezuela etc.

 

[Aussie in exile]

China will take over Siberia. This is where the war is heading for Putin.

Best bet is for Putin to do an exile deal in China / Venezuela etc.

Without a doubt and china will help itself to all that gas and oil there, and if the poison dwarf can't see it he's even dumber than i think.
He should withdraw all russian and north korean troops from Ukraine and move them to Siberia and the Siberian-chinese border before he bankrupts russia entirely, but he won't as his ego won't let him.

 

[Visions]

These massive attacks with drones on Russian territory happens quite frequently. They pinpoint a direction, whether it be north, north east, east, or south east from Ukraine and unleash.

Makes it hell for Russia who don’t have enough anti air capabilities around the country to knock them down.

 

[Zidane98]

Look at the name of this vatnik ship. Ring any bells?

 

[Mobbs]

Look at the name of this vatnik ship. Ring any bells?

Additionally another shadow fleet tanker, the Qendil, went up off the coast of Greece. Not a typo: Greece. In the Mediterranean!

 

[Mobbs]

A reminder that Ukraine has a live ticker showing the strikes of their Unmanned Systems group.

Online killboard «Pidrakhuyka» - Report of the USF Grouping.

Report of the USF Grouping on the «Pidrakhuyka» online killboard. Enemy targets damaged and destroyed in real time. Verified hits only.

sbs-group.army

It's basically like popping in to check out the test cricket scoreboard. Choose english language button, and then choose which group. Magyar's birds (the first option) is the most popular go-to (I think).

 

[Andre]

Well Europe (or shall I say Belgium where the majority of Russian assets are held) did shit the bed in providing a loan using frozen Russian assets.

They however will be proving a 90 billion euro interest free loan instead via the general market underwritten by the EU budget, so Ukraine still gets what was required.

Europe doing Europe things. Support, but the minimum to keep Ukraine in the fight. The issue is Belgium. Other countries have much smaller amounts of frozen assets. Have one of those countries with a few hundred million or a billion or two give a loan using those. Let Russia test that in courts. If that country loses, it's not going to be 10's or hundreds of billions in compensation. And if (as they should) Russia loses, then Belgium can take off their nappies and put on big boy pants and use all their frozen assets.

 

[Mobbs]

Also just to respond to the Venezuela oil thing raised earlier. Can't remember if it was Zidane98 or Visions who suggested Venezuela is a small enough player to not make a big enough impact.

So Venezuela in terms of oil reserves is actually a massive player. However it's industry is not. So I think if a Trump State of America operation led to a transfer of control, Venezuela could become a means for impact, but can't specifically be one as it currently stands. I'm kind of riffing tho, its just my 2c. Happy to be debunked.

I used to work for Big Nonrenewable once, and our approx 15-strong office had two imports from Venezuela working with us!

 

[wannabejack]

Putin plagiarizes Hitler again — this time promising "no more wars" - Euromaidan Press

We caught him copying the 1939 Reichstag script a decade ago. He's still using it.

euromaidanpress.com

Each concession generated a new grievance requiring a new "reasonable proposal."

Putin's trajectory looks familiar. Crimea in 2014: righting a historical wrong. Donbas: protecting Russian speakers. The 2022 invasion: "denazification." The September 2022 annexation of four oblasts — territories Russia still doesn't fully control — became the new baseline.

Now, with Donald Trump signaling eagerness for a deal, Putin's "no more wars if you respect us" positions Russian demands as the natural endpoint. The message to Western publics: pressure Ukraine to concede, and the war ends.

Churchill's verdict on Munich: "You were given the choice between war and dishonour. You chose dishonour, and you will have war."

The script hasn't changed in 86 years. Neither has its purpose. And neither has the trap it sets.

 

[Baldur]

Putin plagiarizes Hitler again — this time promising "no more wars" - Euromaidan Press

We caught him copying the 1939 Reichstag script a decade ago. He's still using it.

euromaidanpress.com

Each concession generated a new grievance requiring a new "reasonable proposal."

Putin's trajectory looks familiar. Crimea in 2014: righting a historical wrong. Donbas: protecting Russian speakers. The 2022 invasion: "denazification." The September 2022 annexation of four oblasts — territories Russia still doesn't fully control — became the new baseline.

Now, with Donald Trump signaling eagerness for a deal, Putin's "no more wars if you respect us" positions Russian demands as the natural endpoint. The message to Western publics: pressure Ukraine to concede, and the war ends.

Churchill's verdict on Munich: "You were given the choice between war and dishonour. You chose dishonour, and you will have war."

The script hasn't changed in 86 years. Neither has its purpose. And neither has the trap it sets.

Quite

"I will make no more territorial demands in Europe"

 

[Zidane98]

Also just to respond to the Venezuela oil thing raised earlier. Can't remember if it was Zidane98 or Visions who suggested Venezuela is a small enough player to not make a big enough impact.

So Venezuela in terms of oil reserves is actually a massive player. However it's industry is not. So I think if a Trump State of America operation led to a transfer of control, Venezuela could become a means for impact, but can't specifically be one as it currently stands. I'm kind of riffing tho, its just my 2c. Happy to be debunked.

I used to work for Big Nonrenewable once, and our approx 15-strong office had two imports from Venezuela working with us!

It's the type of oil that's the issue. Venezuela is a heavy crude that requires lots of refining.

Middle Eastern / Asian oil is a much higher quality sweet crude.

Far more economical to recover.

Going to be a long time before Venezuela becomes like Saudi Arabia. Oil industry is corrupt, it all goes to Maduro or is used locally. That's why they pay bugger all for petrol.

And by the time that better quality sources of oil are depleted it is likely that crude oil will no longer be the main energy source for transport.

For Trump there's shitloads of oil available in Alaska that's untouched and decades worth in Canada.

 

[Zidane98]

Unintended smoking accident ?