Warning Negative Question Ahead. Vs Hawks

[Big Blow Hard]

I Know I am going to sound like a real Negative Nelly here, But honestly.
How the hell are we going to get within Ten goals of Hawthorn. We are the worst defensive side since Fitzroy, and they have arguably the best forward line in the comp. Not to mention arguably the best Ruck Combo, and one of the best midfields.

I know we showed more heart against Adelaide, and I hope I am way off the mark, but I think we should ready ourselves for a major caning.

PS. I will gladly wear critisism and offer up an apology if I am wrong.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

I'll give you something a bit more solid matchups wise later on this week, but Hawthorn have far from the best ruck combo.

 

[Bombers42]

ahwell...we might as well have a shot.....i mean we could ultra-flood the whole match and lose by only 4 or 5 goals but theirs no point in that.

 

[retroparty]

Well all we have to do is go in hard with the tackles and who knows what will happen. Hopefully our skill level gets a little better then we might pose a threat to them.

They are out of form. I'm looking forward to Ryder Vs Franklin.

 

[Big Blow Hard]

I'll give you something a bit more solid matchups wise later on this week, but Hawthorn have far from the best ruck combo.

A> I did not say they had the best, I said Arguably.

B> If you do not rate them as one of the best Ruck combo's, you clearly are not paying attention or a too mesmerized by Buddy to see the rest of the side.

 

[Simon_Nesbit]

A quick heads-up:

If Guerra, Dew, Hodge and Tuck are still all out - we have no-one who can play (effectively) as our 'quarterback'.

We are arguably the best 'rebound' team in the game - averaging nearly 13 shots a game from rebound 50s. On the weekend we had 2. We fell down massively accross half-back - Brown/Croad don't have the footskills/nous and Ellis/Ladson are more "chip'n'charge" players than genunine penetration kickers.

Without this (major) contribution to our offensive gameplan, we basically rely on dominating clearances to be competitive (which we were smashed by the doggies in also).

It could go your way in a close game, or we could turn it on and destroy you...I'm leaning towards it being a close game that could go either way - depending on which Hawthorn (the 07/08 version - or the 06, rd.9 version) turns up.

 

[cAsEy_18]

A quick heads-up:

If Guerra, Dew, Hodge and Tuck are still all out - we have no-one who can play (effectively) as our 'quarterback'.

We are arguably the best 'rebound' team in the game - averaging nearly 13 shots a game from rebound 50s. On the weekend we had 2. We fell down massively accross half-back - Brown/Croad don't have the footskills/nous and Ellis/Ladson are more "chip'n'charge" players than genunine penetration kickers.

Without this (major) contribution to our offensive gameplan, we basically rely on dominating clearances to be competitive (which we were smashed by the doggies in also).

It could go your way in a close game, or we could turn it on and destroy you...I'm leaning towards it being a close game that could go either way - depending on which Hawthorn (the 07/08 version - or the 06, rd.9 version) turns up.

We have to get it inside 50 13 times first.

 

[The Donners]

I Know I am going to sound like a real Negative Nelly here, But honestly.
How the hell are we going to get within Ten goals of Hawthorn. We are the worst defensive side since Fitzroy, and they have arguably the best forward line in the comp. Not to mention arguably the best Ruck Combo, and one of the best midfields.

I know we showed more heart against Adelaide, and I hope I am way off the mark, but I think we should ready ourselves for a major caning.

PS. I will gladly wear critisism and offer up an apology if I am wrong.

To steal a line used against us (which was stolen in the first place) "if it bleeds you can kill it"!!!

 

[Windas_Magic]

We have to get it inside 50 13 times first.

Good call

 

[Ben the Gooner]

A> I did not say they had the best, I said Arguably.

B> If you do not rate them as one of the best Ruck combo's, you clearly are not paying attention or a too mesmerized by Buddy to see the rest of the side.

The following ruck combos are better:
Brisbane
North
Port
West Coast (Cox is that good)
Fremantle
Sydney
St Kilda
Footscray.

Points A and B are wrong.

 

[Rack Watts]

God we are so boned in this match!
It will be a great test though. I hope we are resilient in defeat.
It might me good for us!

 

[Rack Watts]

Ryder is pretty well suited to defend the way that Franklin plays actually :S
Thats sorta cool! When Franklin is shut down Roughead playes really well.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Honestly this will be UGLY. But to be honest it will be a learning experience..to make things worse for us..Hodge and Crawford are due back...hmmm

 

[Daytripper]

They have been off the past couple of weeks and as the Hawthorn poster pointed out - they no longer have a 'quarterback' with Dew, Hodge and Guerra all out.

Sewell is playing injured and there must still be a doubt on Lewis as well.

They are vulnerable.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Hodge is back this week

 

[bomber69]

Im tipping Johns to come in and kick 10 in the first quarter. Then he will break his leg early in the second restricting him to only 20 more.

 

[bomber69]

Hodge is back this week

...Not if I can help it!

 

[Big Blow Hard]

The following ruck combos are better:
Brisbane
North
Port
West Coast (Cox is that good)
Fremantle
Sydney
St Kilda
Footscray.

Points A and B are wrong.

No Chance. I suggest you read Fridays Herald Sun Column "The Great Ruck Myth"

Campbell (11.9% hit out to advantage success rate) and Taylor (10.5%) rank third and fourth in effectiveness. The only Ruckmen to rank above them in this stat are Sandilands (1st 13,6%) and Lade (13.4%). Cox ranks fifth (10.3%), though I also believe him to be the best individual ruckman.
But as a duo, there are no combination that are close to as effective.

 

[Darealrath]

If we apply the same defensive pressure as on Friday night we have a chance.

At the Dome I'd be very tempted to put Fletcher on Franklin. Ryder on Roughead.

I think our forward line is just as capable as theirs at kicking a winning score. Lucas should be better for the run and both he and Lloyd will love playing at the Dome together. I think McPhee as the 3rd option could cause the hawks problems.

It will come down to the midfield as it does most weeks. We will need to be very accountable because the hawks have run us off our feet recently.

 

[GoDons]

It's a challenge that we should be looking forward to.

If our young guys can come out and apply themselves, God knows what could happen.

The result isn't important here, it's how we handle ourselves.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

No Chance. I suggest you read Fridays Herald Sun Column "The Great Ruck Myth"

Campbell (11.9% hit out to advantage success rate) and Taylor (10.5%) rank third and fourth in effectiveness. The only Ruckmen to rank above them in this stat are Sandilands (1st 13,6%) and Lade (13.4%). Cox ranks fifth (10.3%), though I also believe him to be the best individual ruckman.
But as a duo, there are no combination that are close to as effective.

What is an effective hit out?
A hit out straight to a player who is tackled?
A hit out straight to a player who drops it and concedes a goal?
A hit out to a 50/50 which is won by pure luck?

The most subjective stat of them all.

The quality of the midfield also helps considerably.
Blake, West and Mumford aren't the greatest ruck combo going around, yet Geelong's probably right up there in clearances.

I'd take all eight ruck combos above ahead of Taylor and Campbell. That doesn't put them in the top half of the comp.

 

[Smyth94]

The fact that its at the Telstra Dome will help us IMO

I think we need to bring back Chook, the reasoning being is that Ryder isn't working in the ruck and we need a back-up for Hille so that Paddy can just concentrate on CHB for the time being.

 

[Big Blow Hard]

What is an effective hit out?
A hit out straight to a player who is tackled?
A hit out straight to a player who drops it and concedes a goal?
A hit out to a 50/50 which is won by pure luck?

The most subjective stat of them all.

The quality of the midfield also helps considerably.
Blake, West and Mumford aren't the greatest ruck combo going around, yet Geelong's probably right up there in clearances.

I'd take all eight ruck combos above ahead of Taylor and Campbell. That doesn't put them in the top half of the comp.

You are a goose. You are speculating a load of garbage there.
An effective hitout is one that goes to your teams advantage.
None of those stupid suggestions you just posted. You clearly know sweet FA about ruckwork. You can only rank a player on effectiveness in the long run. Of course a gun midfield helps, it is the way aruck duo works with it's midfield that is important, and in that, they are proven effective. They are doing excactly what they have to, and filling their roles to perfection. They compliment their midfield brilliantly, thus ranking them among the best ruck combos according to many AFL media, coaches, and supporters.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

You are a goose. You are speculating a load of garbage there.
An effective hitout is one that goes to your teams advantage.
None of those stupid suggestions you just posted. You clearly know sweet FA about ruckwork. You can only rank a player on effectiveness in the long run. Of course a gun midfield helps, it is the way aruck duo works with it's midfield that is important, and in that, they are proven effective. They are doing excactly what they have to, and filling their roles to perfection. They compliment their midfield brilliantly, thus ranking them among the best ruck combos according to many AFL media, coaches, and supporters.

Mate, I play in the ruck.

On many, many occasions, I have won a tap, it has gone to a team-mate, and nothing has happened. It was an effective tap: I beat the opposing ruckman, I got it to the player I intended it to get to. Yet the player held onto the ball too long, and got tackled. How is that my fault - it affects my statistics.

On other occasions, I have tapped the ball to space because there were simply no other options, and it's a 50/50 from there. If my team-mate is good enough to win the ball, should that affect my stat? How about if the opposition wins the 50/50 ball? Is that my fault as well.

Ruckwork is the most subjective stat.

 

[SirJimi05]

No Chance. I suggest you read Fridays Herald Sun Column "The Great Ruck Myth"

Campbell (11.9% hit out to advantage success rate) and Taylor (10.5%) rank third and fourth in effectiveness. The only Ruckmen to rank above them in this stat are Sandilands (1st 13,6%) and Lade (13.4%). Cox ranks fifth (10.3%), though I also believe him to be the best individual ruckman.
But as a duo, there are no combination that are close to as effective.

Well you should have said that they are the best duo in taps to advantage. There is a lot more to being a good Ruckman than this. They are underated as a duo but they are not one of the best combinations going around.