Warnock for .....?

[theGav56]

IF the man decides to go home (which by the way is exactly how we got MacPharlin, Headland, J Carr, Bell etc) then Essendon have a few WA players who may be attractive in a trade. I especially refer to Jetta, Gumbleton and Ryder. Ryder for me would be the standout as we are talking about someone who can take up the 2nd ruck duties as well as contribute in other ways. Jetta is yet to set the comp alight, but is still young and developing, and Gumbleton has had injuries but undoubted class. Plus he plays in exactly the position we need; CHF!!!

I have no idea what the contract situation is with these fellas.

If we get shafted by Warnock and Melbourne via the PSD, the possibility of any of these guys coming to us via the PSD opens up a bit, assuming that we remain in as bad a way as we currently are. I imagine that there are other WA players who also may look to come home in similar fashion from other clubs. Ideally though, equal trades from clubs in Melbourne would be a better situation.

Any thoughts on these three players, or other Melbourne based WA players, and their trade value in a deal involving Warnock?

 

[Scham]

If we are set to pick Hurley in the draft then I'd go Jetta, but if we are going Yarran, then I'd go Ryder.

Ryder is exactly what we need. Key defense, but versatile enough to go forward and also pinch hit in the ruck. with Bradley in the team then Ryder would be exclusively in defense IMO. I've got a feeling that Ryder is yet to reach his potential too.

 

[Moo]

IF the man decides to go home (which by the way is exactly how we got MacPharlin, Headland, J Carr, Bell etc) then Essendon have a few WA players who may be attractive in a trade. I especially refer to Jetta, Gumbleton and Ryder. Ryder for me would be the standout as we are talking about someone who can take up the 2nd ruck duties as well as contribute in other ways. Jetta is yet to set the comp alight, but is still young and developing, and Gumbleton has had injuries but undoubted class. Plus he plays in exactly the position we need; CHF!!!

I have no idea what the contract situation is with these fellas.

If we get shafted by Warnock and Melbourne via the PSD, the possibility of any of these guys coming to us via the PSD opens up a bit, assuming that we remain in as bad a way as we currently are. I imagine that there are other WA players who also may look to come home in similar fashion from other clubs. Ideally though, equal trades from clubs in Melbourne would be a better situation.

Any thoughts on these three players, or other Melbourne based WA players, and their trade value in a deal involving Warnock?

Gumbleton has just re-signed.

The Dons rate Ryder and Gumbleton very highly and our chances of securing them unfortunately is very poor indeed.

 

[bomba4eva]

If we are set to pick Hurley in the draft then I'd go Jetta, but if we are going Yarran, then I'd go Ryder.

Ryder is exactly what we need. Key defense, but versatile enough to go forward and also pinch hit in the ruck. with Bradley in the team then Ryder would be exclusively in defense IMO. I've got a feeling that Ryder is yet to reach his potential too.

Considering he is 20, I think it is safe to ascertain that Ryder has not reached his peak. Do not think for a moment that Essendon would be willing to depart with Ryder, especially for Warnock who cannot even get a game for Fremantle. Apparently he hasnt been overly impressive for the reserves also. Gumbleton recently re-signed for 2 years so he is off limits. Jetta also signed a new contract. Warnock has plenty of potential but his attitude has come into question. Perhaps he is just frustrated that he isnt getting a game with the seniors. Think Melbourne are in the box seat to grab his services if indeed he does want to leave WA. This bodes well for Freo IMO because presuming Melbourne win a PP, I can see them giving it up or even their 2nd round which will be around pick 20. Works well for both clubs.

 

[rotto]

Warnock isnt in the same league as Gumbleton, Jetta or Ryder.

If Warnock goes to Melbourne, we will be forced to take we are given (most likely a third pick). If we wants to go to another club, then I think Warnock + fourth round = second round, is about fair.

I really thought that Warnock had the ability to be something special, but isnt dominating The WAFL and complaining about the lack of opportunity. Maybe he should pull his finger out and get some BOG's. Even if he wants to came back to Victoria he would ask a few $.

 

[chook2734]

Warnock isnt in the same league as Gumbleton, Jetta or Ryder.

If Warnock goes to Melbourne, we will be forced to take we are given (most likely a third pick). If we wants to go to another club, then I think Warnock + fourth round = second round, is about fair.

I really thought that Warnock had the ability to be something special, but isnt dominating The WAFL and complaining about the lack of opportunity. Maybe he should pull his finger out and get some BOG's. Even if he wants to came back to Victoria he would ask a few $.

IF the rumours are true, then he seems to be a bit like Jeff White all over again. Not willing to bide his time in the WAFL or work hard to get some good form. Maybe when he's 30+ and still playing he might look back and realise it was all for his own good. If his attitude is that he wants out and he wants big $$ then he won't be missed - that's not the kind of player we should be wasting our time with going forward.

 

[Tundrawolf]

Warnock isnt in the same league as Gumbleton, Jetta or Ryder.
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Agree completely with this. And as Moo mentioned Gumbleton and Ryder are OFF LIMITS completely as far as Essendon is concerned. Jetta maybe a chance even though he is contracted. Would certainly suit us with his pace.

 

[dominguez]

Winona Ryder is just what we need but the bombers won't want to lose him. The Demons are in pole position, hopefully they'll be willing to part with their 2nd round pick.

 

[Belnakor]

IF the rumours are true, then he seems to be a bit like Jeff White all over again. Not willing to bide his time in the WAFL or work hard to get some good form. Maybe when he's 30+ and still playing he might look back and realise it was all for his own good. If his attitude is that he wants out and he wants big $$ then he won't be missed - that's not the kind of player we should be wasting our time with going forward.

Sounds even lazier than White, but yeah, sounds pretty similiar to the white case. IF that is his attitude he can piss off and i hope he doesn't get a game for the sake of it.

 

[YelloMit]

Jetta maybe a chance even though he is contracted. Would certainly suit us with his pace.

Agreed. Just imagine seeing Jetta, Palmer, Mayne, and Ibbotson all in the midfield....

My god, I almost creamed my pants.

 

[SupersonicDocker]

Essendon wil never let Jetta go...

Trading with Melbourne would be Lunacy because they will definitely try and shaft us.

At the end of the day, if his reason to leave is he wants to go then i would be highly suprised if every other melbourne based club doesnt show interest.

I really dont want to see Robbie go... if the coaching staff think he has got the goods, if they think he will keep getting better, then keep him and move th earth too keep him. Just means one less problem to worry about with our drafting over the next couple of years... allows us to concentrate of getting a good fullback and two good mids...

Smallish quick mid,
Tall solid mid ala Daniel Harris type
KPP Backmen... (hurley i guess)

 

[Ysaye]

Essendon wil never let Jetta go...

Trading with Melbourne would be Lunacy because they will definitely try and shaft us.

At the end of the day, if his reason to leave is he wants to go then i would be highly suprised if every other melbourne based club doesnt show interest.

I really dont want to see Robbie go... if the coaching staff think he has got the goods, if they think he will keep getting better, then keep him and move th earth too keep him. Just means one less problem to worry about with our drafting over the next couple of years... allows us to concentrate of getting a good fullback and two good mids...

Smallish quick mid,
Tall solid mid ala Daniel Harris type
KPP Backmen... (hurley i guess)

I reckon we will have to trade with Melbourne, especially if that is where Warnock wants to go. Say they have pick 1 and we have pick 2; They probably could use either the talents Naitanui or Rich equally, whereas we probably need Rich a lot more than Natanui, so I reckon a swap of first picks for Warnock would be a very good trade for us.

 

[Reveler]

all I know is that the teams that want him will say he is worth nothing. then when the trade is done they will say they got a bargain and he is a superstar.

 

[Brumbies]

Plus he plays in exactly the position we need; CHF!!!

Oh so what crab do we have playing at CHF?

 

[dominguez]

Trading with Melbourne would be Lunacy because they will definitely try and shaft us.

At the end of the day, if his reason to leave is he wants to go then i would be highly suprised if every other melbourne based club doesnt show interest.

It doesn't matter how many clubs are keen on him if he nominates Melbourne as his club of choice. Just like Judd last year if Warnock picks a club that finishes below us on the ladder then they hold all the aces.

 

[dominguez]

I reckon we will have to trade with Melbourne, especially if that is where Warnock wants to go. Say they have pick 1 and we have pick 2; They probably could use either the talents Naitanui or Rich equally, whereas we probably need Rich a lot more than Natanui, so I reckon a swap of first picks for Warnock would be a very good trade for us.

Why would they trade pick one in the national draft when they can select Warnock with pick 1 in the PSD? Melbourne's offer wil be their 3rd round pick, probably around pick 35. Hopefully we can talk them into giving us their second round pick instead (probably pick 19).

 

[Nodgey]

It doesn't matter how many clubs are keen on him if he nominates Melbourne as his club of choice. Just like Judd last year if Warnock picks a club that finishes below us on the ladder then they hold all the aces.

I'm not sure, Dom. If he wants to bugger off, then I reckon we should do the deal that suits us best - whether that's with Essendon, Melb, Pies or whoever.

Last year the slime could have got pick 2 from Richmond, but chose to deal with Carlton because they saw pick 3 plus Kennedy as better value.

We have no obligation whatsoever to deal with a player's "club of choice."

That being said, I'd like to think that the 2 clubs could come to some sort of amicable arrangement.

 

[chook2734]

I'm not sure, Dom. If he wants to bugger off, then I reckon we should do the deal that suits us best - whether that's with Essendon, Melb, Pies or whoever.

Last year the slime could have got pick 2 from Richmond, but chose to deal with Carlton because they saw pick 3 plus Kennedy as better value.

We have no obligation whatsoever to deal with a player's "club of choice."

That being said, I'd like to think that the 2 clubs could come to some sort of amicable arrangement.

The problem is though, Melbourne at this stage look likely to finish last, so will simply take him with the first pick in the PSD. They won't care what we want.

 

[Chops_a_must]

I'm not sure, Dom. If he wants to bugger off, then I reckon we should do the deal that suits us best - whether that's with Essendon, Melb, Pies or whoever.

Last year the slime could have got pick 2 from Richmond, but chose to deal with Carlton because they saw pick 3 plus Kennedy as better value.

We have no obligation whatsoever to deal with a player's "club of choice."

That being said, I'd like to think that the 2 clubs could come to some sort of amicable arrangement.

Ummm....

If the club they want to go to has the number 1 PSD pick, bad luck.

And because the player has to sign off on the trade, there are problems. People may remember the Heath Black fiasco many years back when he didn't sign off on a deal...

 

[Nodgey]

The problem is though, Melbourne at this stage look likely to finish last, so will simply take him with the first pick in the PSD. They won't care what we want.

Ummm....

If the club they want to go to has the number 1 PSD pick, bad luck.

And because the player has to sign off on the trade, there are problems. People may remember the Heath Black fiasco many years back when he didn't sign off on a deal...

You are both correct in theory, but I'm not sure about the practice. I still believe that clubs and players do their best to work out "reasonable" trades.

I can't be arsed doing the research to be honest but as I recall it, when Simmonds left he made sure we got something for him. Likewise when Gehrig left the slime, when Aker left Brisbane.

I know it can happen, but I'd like to think the clubs would come to an arrangement. Even if it was a late 2nd round pick or exchange.

But if the relations between Freo and player are icy, then I'd bugger him off for nought if we don't get what we want. Port never looked back after Nick Stevens left.

Of course, this is all hypothetical on Melb winning the spoon...

 

[FREO81]

Well lets hope we finish below Melbourne so come PSD we will have 1st pick. I would trade Warnock along with Mundy Murphyor Campbell or the four of them to Melbourne for their first pick and 3rd and prob a Davey. One they need a ruckmen, two they need someone with good football skills and three they need a foward and a centre half foward.

 

[dominguez]

I'm not sure, Dom. If he wants to bugger off, then I reckon we should do the deal that suits us best - whether that's with Essendon, Melb, Pies or whoever.

Last year the slime could have got pick 2 from Richmond, but chose to deal with Carlton because they saw pick 3 plus Kennedy as better value.

We have no obligation whatsoever to deal with a player's "club of choice."

That being said, I'd like to think that the 2 clubs could come to some sort of amicable arrangement.

No one is going to trade early draft picks for a player who doesn't want to play for them.

Also, let's say hypothetically that Hawthorn offer pick 13 for Warnock and Melbourne offer pick 22. Warnock would turn around and say he wants $500,000 a year, Melbourne re-structure some existing contracts for 2009, and Warnock gets to Melbourne through the PSD or for whatever they decide to give us because Hawthorn don't have the cap space.

Richmond got Simmonds and Polak for bugger all because they finished near the bottom of the ladder in 2004 and 2006. We had to accept their deal or lose the player for nothing.

 

[Billy Hunt]

2004: Heath Black from St Kilda, three way deal with Troy Simmonds and Aaron Fiora.

2006: Chris Tarrant from Collingwood for Paul Medhurst and draft selection #8
Dean Solomon plus draft selection #52 for draft selections #42 and #47
Graham Polak plus draft selections #13 and #63 for draft selections #8 and #42 from Richmond

 

[Ysaye]

Why would they trade pick one in the national draft when they can select Warnock with pick 1 in the PSD? Melbourne's offer wil be their 3rd round pick, probably around pick 35. Hopefully we can talk them into giving us their second round pick instead (probably pick 19).

Because depending on what uncontracted players there are out there PSD pick 1 could be worth more than a 2nd round pick in the draft, and they might not want to tie up Warnock to it.

IMO given Freo's list and problems, the ability to have first dip (IE. pick the quality fit for the club) is of more value than a 3rd round pick. We really want Daniel Rich over Naitanui and Hurley, because he is quality AND he fits the gaps so much more that the other two.

But this is not the case for Melbourne - they are deficient accross the whole ground and if I was in their position I probably don't care whether they they get Rich, Naitanui or Hurley (Though I probably would want a Kp if I was them), so long as the overall quality is up there. Assuming we have the 2nd/3rd pick, and we we give them that pick, they still end up with one of those players. I guess is what I am saying is that swap might not be worth much to them, but it is pretty valuable to us.

 

[Bender571]

Because depending on what uncontracted players there are out there PSD pick 1 could be worth more than a 2nd round pick in the draft, and they might not want to tie up Warnock to it.

Thats exactly it. Melbourne might decide they want to pick up Cousins. It would actually be a good pick up for Melbourne as you'd assume with Cousins comes a lot of publicity, as well as a quality player. Or there could be another Nick Steven situation.