We shouldn't trade anyone.

[sabre_ac]

Too many small guys then. When in the last 11 weeks have we been shown up for pace?

Well we havent I suppose.
But our midfield still isnt kicking enough goals in my opinion, the lkes of Wells and Ray are goal scoring midfielders.

My point is we can hang on to Polak, but unless a few major players becomes injured next season I cant see him getting a gig.
Dont you consider it a waste for a 4th draft pick to be a back up player of some of the back ups?

This time next season when he still is in the WAFL his value would be zero, had we traded him last season when his name was bandied around we would have gotten more for him than we can now....
Eventually you have to cut your losses. Specially when there are a number of up and coming clubs desperat efor his type.

 

[rgauci]

Ray and Wells would be great gets. But at what cost. I can't see either the Bulldogs or the Kangas giving either up very easily.

 

[dominguez]

Get a grip people. If Ted Richards goes for pick 18 then Polak & Medders are worth more IF they want to go.

I am with rgauci here, We should not trade unless an offer we can't refuse comes up.

Even though they haven't been made public all 15 clubs know about Polak's off field problems, which damages his trade value considerably. Not many clubs would have a 5'11" full forward at the top of their shopping list, although Medhurst's performance today will win him some friends.

The fact that this draft has been talked up so much means that clubs will be hesitant to trade their picks. If this is draft is as good as reported picks 11, 27 and 43 for Carr would look like a good deal for port, in 2004 it was seen as a great deal for us.

 

[rotto]

It would be nice to hold onto Polak and Medhurst but the reality is that their is a salary cap, and we need to delist aleast 4 senior listed players (Druffield being promoted to the main list). Haines, Schofield and Copping being cut the fourth player would need to a depth player. The problem is that we are very strong in key positions and have alot of depth. If we have Sandilands, Murphy, Pavlich, Longmuir there one opening possibly for another tall. Campbell, Drum, Warren and Gilmore all are good depth players as the third tall in the forward or back up Ruck, with Warnock being two years away. Down back we have Johnson, McPharlin, Thornton, Haddrill, Parker, Grover all can play on talls and I cant see a position for Polak. What we do need is midfielders short and long term. Makes sense to trade him for a late first round pick or early second pick. As for Medhurst getting a third round pick would be a waste, maybe a second pick or a straight trade for a quick midfielders.

 

[ImperialPurple]

Cutting players is very different from trading. Schofield has retired (there's one spot), unfortunately Haines has probably used his last chance (there's two), Copping probably can't be given any more time (there's three)... Given we have to use 3 picks on draft day (mandatory) and they will want to upgrade Duffield permanently, they will need to find one more. I think Warren, personally. He's a good honest WAFL player, but not up to AFL level in any way shape or form IMO. He's turning 25 next year FFS - the same age as Pav, McPharlin, JLo...

Retire: Schofield
Delist: Haines, Copping, Warren

Upgrade: Duffield

Leaves the compulsory 3 spots for draft day.

As far as rookies go - Juniper and Krieger have done their two years, so they will need to be either cut or upgraded.... Stribling might have one more year after being put on the rookie list at the end of last year. If they want to upgrade Juniper or Krieger, they will have to cut someone else from the main list. Can't see who that would be at this stage.

 

[Ripper]

Cutting players is very different from trading. Schofield has retired (there's one spot), unfortunately Haines has probably used his last chance (there's two), Copping probably can't be given any more time (there's three)... Given we have to use 3 picks on draft day (mandatory) and they will want to upgrade Duffield permanently, they will need to find one more. I think Warren, personally. He's a good honest WAFL player, but not up to AFL level in any way shape or form IMO. He's turning 25 next year FFS - the same age as Pav, McPharlin, JLo...

Retire: Schofield
Delist: Haines, Copping, Warren

Upgrade: Duffield

Leaves the compulsory 3 spots for draft day.

As far as rookies go - Juniper and Krieger have done their two years, so they will need to be either cut or upgraded.... Stribling might have one more year after being put on the rookie list at the end of last year. If they want to upgrade Juniper or Krieger, they will have to cut someone else from the main list. Can't see who that would be at this stage.

Spot on . If we win the flag Parks & Cookie may retire.


Anyway this is best left until after the season IMO.

It is the time of year I hate most.

 

[Ysaye]

Too many small guys then. When in the last 11 weeks have we been shown up for pace?

Ripper - Ray is not small (He is 186cm), only lightweight.

Wells is not small at 180cm, but not huge either. Bigger than Bell, Schammer, McManus, Cook, J.Carr, Medhurst, Farmer though and equal size with Hasleby.

I wouldn't mind either player, though I doubt Wells would want to come, let alone negotiating a trade.

But really, I think unless we can get a significantly better position in the draft from the two mentioned players, or trade "nothing" for someone with potential, we should stay out of trade week. In otherwords, a very conservative approach.

 

[dockers_bengals]

very good points I.P,we need medders to replace farmer soon.Polak should stick by the club because they stuck by him the last couple of years.As you say Ripper its best left for the end of the year

 

[theGav56]

I think we have plenty of tall mids; Headland, M Carr, Peake, Dodd, Crowley, Gilmore. I think the recruiting criteria for midfielders should be skill, hard running and long kicking.

 

[Redgum]

I am not that impressed with Ray, too much of a light weight. Wells would be the most inconsistent so called AA player in australia. Medders and Polak in my opinion are way ahead of them in our team , even though they are not in out current 22. It's all about depth and their time will come again. Good key position players are rare and Polak is only reached about 60 % of his ability, people forget he is still only 22, wait until he reaches about 25/26. Medhurst will always be a gun player, he has that natural ability, he is a confidence player, keep him. The other think that irks me is this impulse to get rid of them for early draft picks, I think draft picks are like a lottery, you really don't know if the players will become big stars, a lot of them don't. Why gamble ?, Medders and Polak in my opinion are stars.

 

[Freo Shark]

Medders showed what talent he has in the final yesterday. Farmer isnt getting younger either and not less volatile. Medders is the ideal replacement or teammate for him.

Polak seems to be required by Freo and is still very young and should be ideally pursued with. Pav with the attention he gets and the dodgy shoulder what would happen if he got injured ??

Ideally you wouldnt trade either of them, but we wont get a Jetta with our draft pick but and no other player that would be traded has trade value. Both have a great potential for McPheeism.

 

[Undertaker]

I am quite happy to keep Polak, Medhurst and not trade them for draft picks, but if the opportunity arose to get Wells or Ray I would take it, both have skill and pace which would improve our midfield. Freo's premiership window is now open we probably have 2-3 years to win one. Polak & Medhurst are not in our best 22 and nothing will change next year unless we get hit by injuries, Freo have done well by recruiting mature age proven players Carr's, Bell, Farmer, Headland, Cook etc the draft is still a lottery getting a top 10 draft pick is no guarantee that we will improve our squad look at Ryley Dunn.
I am confident the club will make the right decision.

 

[David_Brent]

Wells and Ray are over rated and don't fit in with our desire for six foot plus midfielders with bulk who can run all day.

Are you saying thats what you need or thats what youve got now?

I cant think of many in the Dockers midfield that fit that description? That only 2 I can think of would be Dodd and Crowley but they play off the flanks/ wings.

 

[ImperialPurple]

Are you saying thats what you need or thats what youve got now?

I cant think of many in the Dockers midfield that fit that description? That only 2 I can think of would be Dodd and Crowley but they play off the flanks/ wings.

Read it carefully. He said Ray and Wells don't fit in with our desire for 6' plus.......

ie we desire 6' + midfielders with bulk who can run all day, and they don't fit that description.

(although ray probably could with an extra 10kg of muscle on him...)

 

[theGav56]

I cant think of many in the Dockers midfield that fit that description? That only 2 I can think of would be Dodd and Crowley but they play off the flanks/ wings.

Think harder.

M Carr and D Headland. Midfielder is a bigger group of players these days and Dodd and Crowley dfeinitely figure. Dodd less so recently because he has been anchored in the backline due to team requirements.

 

[Ripper]

Think harder.

M Carr and D Headland. Midfielder is a bigger group of players these days and Dodd and Crowley dfeinitely figure. Dodd less so recently because he has been anchored in the backline due to team requirements.

Add Webster & Peake who are over 6'.

Peakey is a bit short of bulk at this stage but he can run hard all day.

Mundy & Magic are spending a lot of time on the wing as well.

 

[dominguez]

The tigers are after Polak but won't trade their first pick
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2006/09/20/1158431782800.html

Polak and our third round pick (47-50) for picks 26 and 42? Probably not a great deal. Hopefully the bulldogs will offer their first pick (11) but I doubt it.