Wells or Walker

[Jeremias]

Wells this year had more:

* Possies
* Clearances
* Inside 50's
* Goals
* First Possesions
* Tackles
* 1%ers
* More bounces

He also finished in the Top 2 in the Best and Fairest at a stronger club than Carlton for that year.

So Wells had a better season than Walker this year, ah but you Carlton fans dribble about this potential stuff eh?

Lets compare Wells V Walker at the same age and same season then huh?

Wells at the same age as Walker had more:

* Possies
* Clearances
* Inside 50's
* Tackles
* Goals
* Equal 1%ers
* First possesions
* Bounces

So:

* Statistically had a better year than Walker, this year and last year.
* Polled higher in the Best and Fairest.
* Polled more Brownlow votes, Wells polled 8 in the last two years and I'm sure Walker hasnt come close to that.
* And rates higher on Champion Data stats.

And whats this potential bull****? Wells is only 1 year older and was less developed than Walker when he first came in. He only weighed 70 kgs, FFS stop dribbling this BS, Wells has just as much as improving left as Andrew Walker.


http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/compare_players?tid1=103&pid1=2004017&tid2=110&pid2=2003038

So your argument is stats based, huh. *Throws credibility of your argument out the window*

Stats are meaningless in the game in this day and age.

He finished higher in a different club's B+F award, so therefore he is better? Please tell me you are joking. Different voting system, different club, different players...need I continue?

Polled more Brownlow votes. So what? Did Pearce have a better year than Fevola? Nope. Brownlow votes are meaningless, they are awarded by the umpires and is becoming awarded to the player who is noticed more by the umps. Hardly credible backing for your argument.

Champion data stats? Please, stop embarrassing yourself

They play different positions, so of course their statistics are going to be different. That does not mean Wells has had a better year than Walker. Don't delude yourself by thinking otherwise.

Walker was more developed than Wells when he first came into the league. My friend, you are no longer talking out of your mouth. Part of the reason why you amongst others criticize Walker is because he was incredibly raw when he first debuted. Yet you cry when Wells is criticized for the same thing? LOL.

Just look at the improvement over the last 2 seasons of both players. Walker has improved a hell of a lot more than Wells over this period. That is a fact. You don't need stats to see that. Just watch the games.

Wells has been disappointing over the last few years, don't dispute that. e is so far failing to live up to the huge expectations placed on him by the media and Kangaroos supporters. Walker, on the other hand, well, his development is obvious. Is blossoming into a star. Wells is stagnating, Walker is on the improve.

Stop trying to convince yourself otherwise. Walker is better than Wells ATM. The vast majority of unbiased supporters can recognise this fact. Pity you can't.

 

[CrazyQ]

So your argument is stats based, huh. *Throws credibility of your argument out the window*

Stats are meaningless in the game in this day and age.

He finished higher in a different club's B+F award, so therefore he is better? Please tell me you are joking. Different voting system, different club, different players...need I continue?

Polled more Brownlow votes. So what? Did Pearce have a better year than Fevola? Nope. Brownlow votes are meaningless, they are awarded by the umpires and is becoming awarded to the player who is noticed more by the umps. Hardly credible backing for your argument.

Champion data stats? Please, stop embarrassing yourself

They play different positions, so of course their statistics are going to be different. That does not mean Wells has had a better year than Walker. Don't delude yourself by thinking otherwise.

Walker was more developed than Wells when he first came into the league. My friend, you are no longer talking out of your mouth. Part of the reason why you amongst others criticize Walker is because he was incredibly raw when he first debuted. Yet you cry when Wells is criticized for the same thing? LOL.

Just look at the improvement over the last 2 seasons of both players. Walker has improved a hell of a lot more than Wells over this period. That is a fact. You don't need stats to see that. Just watch the games.

Wells has been disappointing over the last few years, don't dispute that. e is so far failing to live up to the huge expectations placed on him by the media and Kangaroos supporters. Walker, on the other hand, well, his development is obvious. Is blossoming into a star. Wells is stagnating, Walker is on the improve.

Stop trying to convince yourself otherwise. Walker is better than Wells ATM. The vast majority of unbiased supporters can recognise this fact. Pity you can't.

Gee, if you cant base it on stats, Brownlow votes, B+F's.etc etc...

What the **** can you vote it on?

Opinion?

You are a goose, I showed you evidence and all yet you vote with OPINION.

You still havent shown me facts, only opinion.

Wells has better stats, better B+F ratings, more highly rated in the AFL (Not Bigfooty fans), gets more B Votes...etc.

What else do you want?

 

[CrazyQ]

Gee, if you cant base it on stats, Brownlow votes, B+F's.etc etc...

What the **** can you vote it on?

Opinion?

You are a goose, I showed you evidence and all yet you vote with OPINION.

You still havent shown me facts, only opinion.

Wells has better stats, better B+F ratings, more highly rated in the AFL (Not Bigfooty fans), gets more B Votes...etc.

What else do you want?

Oh I agree Wells hasnt been what I expected.

Doesnt mean crap in this argument, he still produces better figures than Walker.

Case closed.

 

[CrazyQ]

So your argument is stats based, huh. *Throws credibility of your argument out the window*

You want me to base it on opinions then?

What else can you argue with you idiot.

Stats are meaningless in the game in this day and age.

Not important stats like clearances, Best and Fairest results etc.

He finished higher in a different club's B+F award, so therefore he is better? Please tell me you are joking. Different voting system, different club, different players...need I continue?

He has polled better in every year he has been at the Roos. If he did beat him once maybe it was coincidence.

Wells has beaten Walker in their respective B+F's in EVERY BLOODY YEAR. What more do you want?

Polled more Brownlow votes. So what? Did Pearce have a better year than Fevola? Nope. Brownlow votes are meaningless, they are awarded by the umpires and is becoming awarded to the player who is noticed more by the umps. Hardly credible backing for your argument.

So what? just deemed better by umpires.

So now we know the umps think Wells has been better over the last 3-4 years.

Champion data stats? Please, stop embarrassing yourself

Why?

It shows effectiveness more than anything else.

This proves Wells is much more effective in the way he plays footy.

They play different positions, so of course their statistics are going to be different. That does not mean Wells has had a better year than Walker. Don't delude yourself by thinking otherwise.

Nearly ALL statistics are better, not just this year, but every year he has played.

Not once has Walker had a better year than Daniel Wells on statistics and Best and Fairest counts, not one.

Walker was more developed than Wells when he first came into the league. My friend, you are no longer talking out of your mouth. Part of the reason why you amongst others criticize Walker is because he was incredibly raw when he first debuted. Yet you cry when Wells is criticized for the same thing? LOL.

Wells weighed 70 kgs when he came down, did not have much muscle or weight at all. What were Walkers stats on weight?

Just look at the improvement over the last 2 seasons of both players. Walker has improved a hell of a lot more than Wells over this period. That is a fact. You don't need stats to see that. Just watch the games.

Thats because Walker was dreadful when he first started. Had a poor first 2 years than backed it up with a good 3rd year. Wells had a good first year, great second year, ok 3rd year and a good fouth year. Much better and consistent than Walker has been.

Wells has been disappointing over the last few years, don't dispute that. e is so far failing to live up to the huge expectations placed on him by the media and Kangaroos supporters. Walker, on the other hand, well, his development is obvious. Is blossoming into a star. Wells is stagnating, Walker is on the improve.

Yet Wells has statistically, and in the BnFs and in the umps view, heck in nearly everyones view been better than Walker.

In every category.

Stop trying to convince yourself otherwise. Walker is better than Wells ATM. The vast majority of unbiased supporters can recognise this fact. Pity you can't.[/quote]

 

[CrazyQ]

Dunno why I bother sometimes...

 

[Pykie]

So your argument is stats based, huh. *Throws credibility of your argument out the window*

Stats are meaningless in the game in this day and age.

He finished higher in a different club's B+F award, so therefore he is better? Please tell me you are joking. Different voting system, different club, different players...need I continue?

Polled more Brownlow votes. So what? Did Pearce have a better year than Fevola? Nope. Brownlow votes are meaningless, they are awarded by the umpires and is becoming awarded to the player who is noticed more by the umps. Hardly credible backing for your argument.

Champion data stats? Please, stop embarrassing yourself

They play different positions, so of course their statistics are going to be different. That does not mean Wells has had a better year than Walker. Don't delude yourself by thinking otherwise.

Walker was more developed than Wells when he first came into the league. My friend, you are no longer talking out of your mouth. Part of the reason why you amongst others criticize Walker is because he was incredibly raw when he first debuted. Yet you cry when Wells is criticized for the same thing? LOL.

Just look at the improvement over the last 2 seasons of both players. Walker has improved a hell of a lot more than Wells over this period. That is a fact. You don't need stats to see that. Just watch the games.

Wells has been disappointing over the last few years, don't dispute that. e is so far failing to live up to the huge expectations placed on him by the media and Kangaroos supporters. Walker, on the other hand, well, his development is obvious. Is blossoming into a star. Wells is stagnating, Walker is on the improve.

Stop trying to convince yourself otherwise. Walker is better than Wells ATM. The vast majority of unbiased supporters can recognise this fact. Pity you can't.

Wells has been dissapointing for the last few years? How many is that hes only been around for a couple, and im sure if he was "that" dissapointing for the majority of his career then hed be delisted.

Walker doesnt get tagged, and doesnt brake games.

Its like comparing Chris Judd and Heath Scotland.

 

[bellzy]

No, the BF public thik Walker is better than Wells. You need to prove us wrong.

If you can't, that's ok. Just be happy that Daniel is a good player, but admit Walker is better. You are just so bitter about it...is this because you can't handle the truth. There is no shame being worse than Andrew Walker, trust me.

Scoreboard mate

 

[sherminator]

Wells. Barely.

 

[Dj Chriss]

lol walker is the most overrated player going around, how can he be a top 2 draft pick and not be able to kick?? his disposal is terrible, wells by about the size of carltons debts

 

[Funkalicous]

I've watched every one of Walker's games and I can tell you there's nothing wrong with his kicking. He'll miss targets as many players do, but his technique is textbook. And fortunately for us, he's one of the few genuine dual-sided kickers in the AFL.

 

[Silvagnis]

lol walker is the most overrated player going around, how can he be a top 2 draft pick and not be able to kick?? his disposal is terrible, wells by about the size of carltons debts

Malthouse said Dale Thomas's kicking need work and which pick did you use to draft him?

He can't kick and he is unaccountable for his direct opponent.

How does a player who can't kick win a B & F ahead of Buckley?

Don't start me on the basketballer you drafted at five.

 

[Silvagnis]

Wells has been dissapointing for the last few years? How many is that hes only been around for a couple, and im sure if he was "that" dissapointing for the majority of his career then hed be delisted.

Walker doesnt get tagged, and doesnt brake games.

Its like comparing Chris Judd and Heath Scotland.

How many players break open games playing in defence for a wooden spoon side?

Can Wells play on or beat players like Robertson or Croad as well as a Shannon Grant and Davey?

Walker.

 

[davey_magik]

How many players break open games playing in defence for a wooden spoon side?

Can Wells play on or beat players like Robertson or Croad as well as a Shannon Grant and Davey?

Walker.

Davey kicked 3 on Walker and Grant 5, though I get your point.
I'd have Wells on *potential* but Walker at the moment.
Walker does mung a few kicks, but it isn't that as much as it is his decision making which I think needs fixing.

 

[trueblue_91]

Davey kicked 3 on Walker and Grant 5, though I get your point.
I'd have Wells on *potential* but Walker at the moment.
Walker does mung a few kicks, but it isn't that as much as it is his decision making which I think needs fixing.

Cant remember 100% but he has also had hes days too. Gave Robertson a bath and played well against freo and a few more.

Both players have huge potential especially wells but we havnt seen eitehr player at their best yet only glimpses. Would like to see them both have injury free seasons and play in the midfield were they both belong

 

[Heisenberg_]

i would take wells, unlike walker he has the ability to kick the ball and hit a target

 

[CrazyQ]

I'd rather my Pick 2 win me games than tag other blokes.

But thats my preference.

 

[Jeremias]

I'd rather my Pick 2 win me games than tag other blokes.

But thats my preference.

So will you think that Walker is better than Wells next year when the Blues finish above the Roos.

I don't think you will, somehow.

Don't talk bull****.

Come back when Wells actually nullifies a star's influence on a game whilst having a big one himself

That might keep CrazyQ off BugFooty for years!

 

[CrazyQ]

So will you think that Walker is better than Wells next year when the Blues finish above the Roos.

I don't think you will, somehow.

Don't talk bull****.

Come back when Wells actually nullifies a star's influence on a game whilst having a big one himself

That might keep CrazyQ off BugFooty for years!

Show me a game where Walker has had 25 possies and nullified an opponent?

Come back when Walker getmore stats, Best and Fairest ratings, Brownlow votes and nearly everything elsein footy.

 

[CrazyQ]

i would take wells, unlike walker he has the ability to kick the ball and hit a target

Very true my friend.

And to the Carlton Mod, cant believes its a mod, Walker can barely kick on his right foot, although he does use his left alot, it is no where near good.

Wells is dual sided also, but we dont care about these things, we care about what he has delivered ands thats more than Andrew Walker.

 

[Carnthe]

Who the hell is this walker bloke?

 

[Jeremias]

Show me a game where Walker has had 25 possies and nullified an opponent?

Come back when Walker getmore stats, Best and Fairest ratings, Brownlow votes and nearly everything elsein footy.

Didn't I tell you stats, B+F ratings, votes mean nothing in this argument.

And yet you dismiss the fact that on several occassions Walker has not only completely nullified the opposition, but also DESTROYED them? I wonder why...

Geez, F...I mean CrazyQ, you are really starting to sound like another poster who hates Walker with a passion. What a coincidence he has gone missing . Much like Wells in games...

 

[CrazyQ]

Didn't I tell you stats, B+F ratings, votes mean nothing in this argument.

And yet you dismiss the fact that on several occassions Walker has not only completely nullified the opposition, but also DESTROYED them? I wonder why...

Geez, F...I mean CrazyQ, you are really starting to sound like another poster who hates Walker with a passion. What a coincidence he has gone missing . Much like Wells in games...

Like I said, if we cannot base it on neally all the stats in football, what can we base it on? Opinion? Not a good way to judge who the better player is.

You still havent shown me one game where Walker has DESTROYED an opponent while getting the ball himself over 25 times.

And if Wells goes missing in games, why does he average more possies than Walker? Does that mean Walker also goes missing?

 

[Jeremias]

Like I said, if we cannot base it on neally all the stats in football, what can we base it on? Opinion? Not a good way to judge who the better player is.

You still havent shown me one game where Walker has DESTROYED an opponent while getting the ball himself over 25 times.

And if Wells goes missing in games, why does he average more possies than Walker? Does that mean Walker also goes missing?

Impact on games. You can get as many possessions as you want, but if they do not have a good impact on the outcome of games they are useless. Possessions mean very little in this day and age. That is obvious.

Walker destroyed a few opponents this year. Just because he may have gotten under 25 possessions himself, does not mean he was no good. Since when has 25 possessions been the cut-off for a very good game?

Different positions=different impact=different amount of possessions. Wells played in the middle, Walker didn't. I would be worried if Wells aeraged less disposals than Walker. Just because he got more possessions does in no way mean he was better. That is a very shallow argument. Of course, there is no deeper argument for your side to say that Wells is better than Walker, so you have to clutch at even the most shallow of arguments. That is just unfortunate for you.

 

[CrazyQ]

Impact on games. You can get as many possessions as you want, but if they do not have a good impact on the outcome of games they are useless. Possessions mean very little in this day and age. That is obvious.

Quality possesions dont, Wells also had more goal assists which he lead that stat for the Roos, I guess thats "nothing" too huh?

Wells gets the ball more forward of centre, thus is more effective and creates better chances for goals.

True, it's irrelevant that he gets more possies, clearances, inside 50's, polls higher in the Brownlow, more efficient and has more impact on games, but yeah...

Walker destroyed a few opponents this year. Just because he may have gotten under 25 possessions himself, does not mean he was no good. Since when has 25 possessions been the cut-off for a very good game?

You see, this is a pointless stat, who cares if he did well on 2-3 opponents, thats not Wellsys job, he is there to create attack for us and he does it better than Walker destoys an opponent.

You said Walker gets the pill and also stops his opponent, which game which opponent? Show me 3 games where he gets over 20 possies and stops his man from getting 20 aswell.

Bet you cant.

And you wont.

Different positions=different impact=different amount of possessions. Wells played in the middle, Walker didn't. I would be worried if Wells aeraged less disposals than Walker. Just because he got more possessions does in no way mean he was better. That is a very shallow argument. Of course, there is no deeper argument for your side to say that Wells is better than Walker, so you have to clutch at even the most shallow of arguments. That is just unfortunate for you.

Dont care about different possie BS, everyone in the comp is comparable,how do you think people make their top 50?

Wells has a much better kick than Walker, it's a fact, he gets the pill forward and creates more goal oppoutinities for the Roos than Walker does with the Blues.

Clutch? I tellyou what, ask any normal footy fan whats a better indication of a player.

Stats + Brownlow Votes + B+F ratings or Opinion.

I know which one will win.

And for everyone else, see how he cannot find 3 games this year that Walker has DESTROYED his man and got the pill 20 times?

Funny.

 

[sput1956]

All I would like to state is that I hope a particular 54 participants in this thread are the recruiting staff this season for the other 15 clubs.