Wells v Stanton v Simpson

[TigerTime88]

You honestly think round 10 games against Richmond are "pressure" games? Any further up there you could say g'day to yourself.

Stanton showed a fair bit of character when we really needed it, last year. Round 13-14 or so we dropped out of the 8, no Watson or Hocking, and really lacked players to step up and take a bit of a lead role.

Those players to step into the void were Stanton, Ryder, Hurley and Zaha. The former two probably stung by poor 2nd quarters of the year, the latter two young players just coming into their own.

Between them they basically did what was required to lock us into finals a week out - win in Adelaide, knocking off Geelong, tight games against Port & Sydney - whereas North, Richmond, Freo just faded away.

Not saying it's Hird/Voss level heroics but still worth noting IMHO.

Wasn't saying the game vs the Tigers I mean pressure situations/moments during games. He fumbled/coughed the ball up at some crucial points in the game. Everyone has bad games but I feel that at these moments a player like Wells steps up and shows why he is rated alot higher than a guy like stanton.

He can't be that good when he is booed by his own supporters.

 

[Zebrah]

He can't be that good when he is booed by his own supporters.

Fair point.

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

He can't be that good when he is booed by his own supporters.

It happened to Paul Salmon years ago, it has happened to Stanton recently & James Hird has acknowledged it's a problem with the club. To be honest, I think the vast majority of Essendon supporters are fine, but they do have a small minority who turn on their own. It's unfortunate that small minority have got so much attention, because I'm sure it isn't as widespread through Essendon as some people will have you believe.

 

[Zebrah]

It happened to Paul Salmon years ago, it has happened to Stanton recently & James Hird has acknowledged it's a problem with the club. To be honest, I think the vast majority of Essendon supporters are fine, but they do have a small minority who turn on their own. It's unfortunate that small minority have got so much attention, because I'm sure it isn't as widespread through Essendon as some people will have you believe.

It happened to Salmon when he was playing some rubbish football.

I think that kind of Essendon 'booo' culture is pathetic, but they wouldn't boo him if he was playing good, consistent football.

 

[lamaros]

"steps up in pressure moments" is the most subjective thing going around. Stanton kicked a goal from about 50 near the boundary to put us in front against Carlton in the draw and was one of our best all game. He was our best in the final in 2011, and best 2-3 in the final in 2009. He stood up in key wins and was a lone hand in a few bad losses throughout 2011.

Saying he isn't a pressure player is just stupid.

 

[lamaros]

It happened to Salmon when he was playing some rubbish football.

I think that kind of Essendon 'booo' culture is pathetic, but they wouldn't boo him if he was playing good, consistent football.

Your knowledge of Essendon and afl in general is struggling.

 

[Slattery_20]

Wasn't saying the game vs the Tigers I mean pressure situations/moments during games.

Don't change the story now - yes you were, you said "when the pressure is on aka dream time".
For a club hoping to go anywhere, that sort of game is line & length.

I can't really speak highly enough of Stanton's finish to the year, as you may all have noticed!
He's only really now figuring out he is a leader. That's only recent, and it's taken far too long.

 

[TigerTime88]

Lol your right you probably know the point I was trying to get across better than me.

If you watch the dreatime game and I was using that as an example because I sat there with Essendon mates watching him fumble and cough up the ball. Go and watch that game as Essendon supporters I was with were tearing there hair out at some of his mistakes.

 

[eth-dog]

Lol your right you probably know the point I was trying to get across better than me.

If you watch the dreatime game and I was using that as an example because I sat there with Essendon mates watching him fumble and cough up the ball. Go and watch that game as Essendon supporters I was with were tearing there hair out at some of his mistakes.

So because he had one bad game under pressure, he's a bad player . He's probably had 60 good games to 1 bad game over his career

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

He's probably had 60 good games to 1 bad game over his career

No player has ever had that ratio. Not even the very best players like Franklin, Ablett, Judd have that ratio.

 

[Donakebab]

Lol your right you probably know the point I was trying to get across better than me.

If you watch the dreatime game and I was using that as an example because I sat there with Essendon mates watching him fumble and cough up the ball. Go and watch that game as Essendon supporters I was with were tearing there hair out at some of his mistakes.

You'd half expect someone to fumble the week they return after they received a fractured shoulder two weeks prior.

 

[Kong]

lol remember when Franklin had the yips?

GOES TO WATER UNDER PRESSURE!!1

 

[HurleyTheFuture]

It happened to Paul Salmon years ago, it has happened to Stanton recently & James Hird has acknowledged it's a problem with the club. To be honest, I think the vast majority of Essendon supporters are fine, but they do have a small minority who turn on their own. It's unfortunate that small minority have got so much attention, because I'm sure it isn't as widespread through Essendon as some people will have you believe.

 

[Kong]

EDIT: Oh, I'm slow. Just realised the conext and sarcastic tone to your post. My bad..

I have nothing bad to say about Buddy.

 

[Tassieboy]

Hang on, when did Hird admit it was a problem? Surely that was Lloyd? In response to the question Hird, IIRC, said such fans are not welcome and said that he though, nonetheless, that we had the 'best' supporters. He didn't say there was a problem, did he?

 

[Tassieboy]

Lol your right you probably know the point I was trying to get across better than me.

If you watch the dreatime game and I was using that as an example because I sat there with Essendon mates watching him fumble and cough up the ball. Go and watch that game as Essendon supporters I was with were tearing there hair out at some of his mistakes.

Unfortunately you're point was as clear as a despot condemning violence.

Yes, he had a poor game, but gee is there a 150+ game player at Richmond who has not had a bad game? I suspect not.

 

[Jamie007]

This part of the post shows that perceptions die hard.

Wells has been playing in the guts for the last 2 years, 2010 without a preseason and 2011 fully fit for the majority and has been our best pure mid behind Swallow over this period and one of the most consistent performers. They have also been the best two seasons of his career in which he has done the hard things on a regular basis.

Hopefully the off season issues will be a help rather than a hindrance. Wells fit as f*** is a sensational player.

I'm a wrap for Simpson. Really like him as a player. Very clever and gutsy little bugger.

I said Wells consistancy in the past has let him down.. You can disagree with that all you like but its the truth. I wasnt referring to 2011, I was referring to Wells since he has been drafted. He's had one great year (2011), one good year (2010), and everything before that were flashes of what potential he had.. His output would differ from week to week and could last from 1/4, to on the odd occassion a full game. He disappeared a fair bit in games as he couldnt cope with a hard tag.. He eventually matured and learnt to fight through a tag, and has got his head right, so it seems .. Hopefully for North, he can have a similar year to 2011. Time will tell.
Wells best year (2011) has been better than Stantons or Simmos best year to date.. However Simmo and Stanton have had a more consistant output over a longer period of time.. Yes both can disappear at times, but not as often as Wells did earlier on. It may have been more noticeable for Wells as he was a number 2 draft pick, so the expectations were higher.. I think Stanton was top 10 from memory, and Simmo was in the 40's.

 

[matty lloyd the champ]

No player has ever had that ratio. Not even the very best players like Franklin, Ablett, Judd have that ratio.

Agreed, 60-1 is ridiculous. By my count Stanton had 13 good games, 5 poor games and 2 average games, without counting his game where he got injured against WCE. Of the 5 poor games, 2 of them were played with an injured collarbone. I would say that his good far, far outweighs his poor matches.

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

Agreed, 60-1 is ridiculous. By my count Stanton had 13 good games, 5 poor games and 2 average games, without counting his game where he got injured against WCE. Of the 5 poor games, 2 of them were played with an injured collarbone. I would say that his good far, far outweighs his poor matches.

That sounds about right.

 

[lamaros]

Of the 5 poor games two were played injured, and in one he got injured, backing back into the hole.

He improved a lot last year, really hardened up some elements of his game that he needed to if he even wanted to take it to the next level. He picked up his tackling, contested ball and his defensive running. If he can build on that again in 2011 he will start turning around his (mostly misguided) reputation.

Couldn't get recognised as great player when you look solid, but actually do a lot of the attacking work, but once he looks solid and plays solid - and still does all the attacking work he's done for years - people will probably change their minds.

 

[The Prosecutor]

FFS, Stanton has never been booed.

He was bronx cheered, once. Get the **** over it.

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

FFS, Stanton has never been booed.

He was bronx cheered, once. Get the **** over it.

ESSENDON legend Matthew Lloyd says Bomber fans 'stooped to a new low' when they cheered after Brent Stanton was concussed yesterday.
Lloyd said Essendon supporters were "right up there" with the worst in the league at attacking their own players.
He said he was disgusted when the decision to substitute Stanton out of the game against West Coast after he suffered concussion was met with loud cheers from Bomber fans.
Fellow Windy Hill legend Tim Watson labelled the supporters "cowards". Lloyd said he had seen Paul Salmon leave Essendon after being consistently jeered by fans "and it's happening (again) now".
"What gets the blood boiling is at it's happened at Essendon for a while. You can say it's all clubs but Essendon would be up there with one of the worst, in my opinion," Lloyd said on SEN.

Read more at: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...ed-brent-stanton/story-e6frf9jf-1226052566903

Errrrrr, Lloyd says the fans have been on Stantons back a number of years, while Watson said that Salmon left the club because of fan abuse. Watson also called the supporters cowards. I know it's only a small section of supporters and I don't tarnish everyone with the same brush, but it's disgraceful behaviour. And that's why people keep bringing it up.

 

[The Prosecutor]

Again, it was a bronx cheer, it happens at every club. I remember Henderson got a bigger cheer when he was subbed out of our Round 4 clash with Carlton than Stanton did.

Plus you have to remember the crowd had no way of knowing what, if anything, was wrong with Stanton, to the best of their knowledge it was because he was having a bad game. Its not like they tell the crowd someone is being subbed off due to injury.

The whole thing has been blown out of proportion, and used in piss poor arguments such as that Stanton can't be the better player because "he is booed by his own", which is ridiculous.

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

Again, it was a bronx cheer, it happens at every club. I remember Henderson got a bigger cheer when he was subbed out of our ROund 4 clash with Carlton than Stanton did.

Plus you have to remember the crowd had no way of knowing what, if anything was wrong with Stanton, to the best of their knowledge it was because he was having a bad game. Its not like they tell the crowd someone is being subbed off due to injury.

THe whole thing has been blown out of proportion, and used in piss poor argument that Stanton can't be the better play because "he is booed by his own", which is ridiculous.

Fair enough. Agree with the bolded part in particular.

 

[Hail Hale]

Again, it was a bronx cheer, it happens at every club. I remember Henderson got a bigger cheer when he was subbed out of our ROund 4 clash with Carlton than Stanton did.

Plus you have to remember the crowd had no way of knowing what, if anything was wrong with Stanton, to the best of their knowledge it was because he was having a bad game. Its not like they tell the crowd someone is being subbed off due to injury.

THe whole thing has been blown out of proportion, and used in piss poor argument that Stanton can't be the better play because "he is booed by his own", which is ridiculous.

I have to laugh at the Bomber fans here saying it was a once off occasion that Stanton was booed, sorry bronx cheered off. Fact is, Stanton has been a whipping boy at Essendon for several years, and if his own supporters can't respect his abilities then that is good enough for me.