West vs Buckley

[Coin_Toss]

As if he deserved that

To take it further, Woewodin deserved his brownlow more than what Buckley deserved his Norm Smith.

Apart from that, 2 great players. One an in-and-under player and one a seagul.

So what? Printed in the history books.
For the record, I would have gave it to Anthony Rocca, but Bucks deserved it, enough said.

Poll - Buckley, easily. The difference here West is a good footballer, whereas Buckley is a great footballer. He has him covered...stats, or no stats.

 

[MinerBoy]

This poll proves once and for all two things:

1. People on this forum have very short term memories

2. People on this forum are incredibly stupid

West over Buckley pleasssee

West is a great inside mid who gets plenty of the ball but Buckley is an all time great. Just because West is a better player now doesn't mean that he even comes close to Buckley over there respective careers.

Absolutely correct. West is no doubt a terrific player and gets plenty of the footy and wins all the Bulldog awards, but...........Nathan Buckley is in a different league. Over their careers I would be expect Buckley's average possession count is not too far short of West's, and they are a hell of a lot more damaging.

 

[MinerBoy]

Stats don't always tell the whole picture.

Hird/Voss>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Buckley/West

Everyone other than Pie fans agree with this.

I certainly don't.

Hird is perhaps the most brilliant/freakish, without ever being a big numbers player.

Voss is perhaps the most destructive when in best form.

However, whilst both those guys have had exceptional years and years where they were just another player, Buckley has been nothing short of exceptional virtually every season he has played.

If you wanted the best talent, perhaps Hird or Voss. If you wanted someone who would be consistently exceptional over 12-15 years, Buckley without a doubt.

 

[The_Bulldogs_Bite]

Depends what the question is asking, in a way.

In their primes? Buckley. More damaging.

Over their whole careers? Arguably, West, as he has been at the same level each and every year.

A more accurate Poll might be Johnson vs. Buckley, as it's somewhat unfair to compare an inside midfielder to more of an outside midfielder.

West is still a Champion Footballer, but Buckley was the better Footballer.

 

[MinerBoy]

Over their whole careers? Arguably, West, as he has been at the same level each and every year.

As has Buckley, but a higher standard. Nothing against West, as they have both been exceptional over their entire careers, Buckley has just been better.

 

[parrot]

West is much more effective nowdays. Buckley used to be a great player. It's a bit sad seeing a past champion like Buckley only being able to play a couple of quarters, and then blasting his team-mates at the quarter breaks for not putting in.

 

[nick_savo]

West is much more effective nowdays. Buckley used to be a great player. It's a bit sad seeing a past champion like Buckley only being able to play a couple of quarters, and then blasting his team-mates at the quarter breaks for not putting in.

Buckley plays 4 quarters most matches, what are you talking about.

 

[borgy]

You must be a moron!, Buckley plays 4 quarters almost every match, he has a couple of breaks but what do u expect not many people if any can play 4 quarters without a break. How would you know that he blasts his team mates for not putting in, you loser.
I understand if you think West is a better player but when you say Buckley doesn't put in, that really pisses me off, moron.

ohh dear

 

[nick_savo]

ohh dear

What do you mean ohh dear?
This has nothing to do with you.

 

[parrot]

ohh dear

Yes, exactly.

 

[borgy]

What do you mean ohh dear?
This has nothing to do with you.

Easy tiger

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

What do you mean ohh dear?
This has nothing to do with you.

He was simply trying to warn you not to bother arguing with parrot.

parrot's bias blinds him so much that he actually wouldn't trade Setanta O'hAilpin for Dean Cox - His words, not mine.

He has clearly left the planet a long time ago, so arguing with him is only going to frustrate you - It's like arguing with one of those automated response servers on the internet.

 

[Mofra]

parrot's bias blinds him so much that he actually wouldn't trade Setanta O'hAilpin for Dean Cox - His words, not mine.

parrot - makes Andrew Bolt look balanced.

Back to topic, flip a coin. I voted West, but I couldn't possibly help it given all he's done for my club. I would expect every magpie supporter to vote for Bucks for the same reason.

 

[nick_savo]

He was simply trying to warn you not to bother arguing with parrot.

parrot's bias blinds him so much that he actually wouldn't trade Setanta O'hAilpin for Dean Cox - His words, not mine.

He has clearly left the planet a long time ago, so arguing with him is only going to frustrate you - It's like arguing with one of those automated response servers on the internet.

hahahaha, ok, i wont bother arguing with him then, thanks for the warning.

 

[mudgeathon]

I still can't believe that West is wining

Just goes to show you can't take anything sersiouly on this polls board

 

[doppleganger]

Depends what the question is asking, in a way.

not really

In their primes? Buckley. More damaging.

yep, almost dragged his team to a premiership against one of the best teams ever assembled.

Over their whole careers? Arguably, West, as he has been at the same level each and every year.

no he hasn't

Buckley and West both started in 1993, Buckley has averaged 20+ disposals in every season he has played

west hasn't

statistically this was west's best ever year

yet Buckley has 5 seasons of football that were statistically better then this season from West

A more accurate Poll might be Johnson vs. Buckley, as it's somewhat unfair to compare an inside midfielder to more of an outside midfielder.

the more accurate comparison would be west v johnson, how many times has johnson been pipped in the b&f by west??

West is still a Champion Footballer, but Buckley was the better Footballer.

west is a champion
buckley is a legend

 

[parrot]

hahahaha, ok, i wont bother arguing with him then, thanks for the warning.

Yep, no point in arguing. Best to just watch a few matches in 2006 where Buckley pays out on his team-mates at the breaks with his coach, after warming the pine for a 1/4 or 2. Many Pie fans will know the incidents I'm referring to. No doubt he has been a champion, but those efforts are hardly team inspiring, and will only get more frequent. Over their careers Buckley's just ahead of West, but at this stage West is miles ahead of Buckley - it just ain't close.

 

[doppleganger]

One an in-and-under player and one a seagul.

dont watch much footy if u think Buckley was/is a seagul

was always in the top 20 in the league for 1st possession stats and clearances when played in the middle

in 01 Buckley was 4th in the league in clearances, ahead of blokes like Voss, Simpson, JJ, Kouta etc.....West was 1st.

in 03 Buckley lead the league in clearances, averagin 7.1 per game for a total of 170 for the year! West although good was back on 121 clearances at an average of 5.5!!

West has never even averaged 6 clearances a game for an entire season, let alone 7 like Buckley managed.

So it seems that when Buckley is given the role as the ball winner in the middle he also blows West out of the water, plus he is the better kick, mark, leader, forward, defender etc.

West great player, Buckley Legend!

 

[nick_savo]

Yep, no point in arguing. Best to just watch a few matches in 2006 where Buckley pays out on his team-mates at the breaks with his coach, after warming the pine for a 1/4 or 2. Many Pie fans will know the incidents I'm referring to. No doubt he has been a champion, but those efforts are hardly team inspiring, and will only get more frequent. Over their careers Buckley's just ahead of West, but at this stage West is miles ahead of Buckley - it just ain't close.

Look mate talk all you like im not arguing with you, if you think Buckley sits on the bench then pays out our players then your a d i c k head, and im not the only one that thinks it.

 

[jonesy86]

stupid polls get stupid answers

 

[nick_savo]

stupid polls get stupid answers

Why is it a stupid poll?

 

[parrot]

..., if you think Buckley sits on the bench then pays out our players then ...

He does pay out on his team-mates during quarter time breaks. Go back and watch some videos and you'll see. OK it's sometimes inspirational, but not if you've been sitting on the pine for 1/2 the game. West is not only performing a lot better than Buckley nowdays, but the way he goes about it is a role model to his team-mates and everyone else for that matter. A true champion. Hence the Poll result.

 

[nick_savo]

He does pay out on his team-mates during quarter time breaks. Go back and watch some videos and you'll see. OK it's sometimes inspirational, but not if you've been sitting on the pine for 1/2 the game. West is not only performing a lot better than Buckley nowdays, but the way he goes about it is a role model to his team-mates and everyone else for that matter. A true champion. Hence the Poll result.

Look mate keep talking, i don't care anymore, now i have heard that im not the only one that thinks you are a $h!t talker im happy, so you keep posting junk if you want, your not going to get anymore responses from me.

 

[parrot]

Look mate keep talking, i don't care anymore....

Probably the best thing is for people to watch the games in question and make their own opinion. Many Pie fans will know the incidents I'm referring to. Going by your frenzied response I suspect you might as well.

 

[The_Bulldogs_Bite]

As has Buckley, but a higher standard. Nothing against West, as they have both been exceptional over their entire careers, Buckley has just been better.

I agree Buckley has been better, but was merely stating that people are perhaps arguing the case West has performed at a higher level CONSISTENTLY throughout his career, where as Buckley has dropped significantly in the last 2 seasons.

I agree though, Buckley is a bettr Footballer.

the more accurate comparison would be west v johnson, how many times has johnson been pipped in the b&f by west??

west is a champion
buckley is a legend

Not really. Just because West has won all the B&F's doesn't put him ahead of Johnson and Grant for that matter.

Johnson would come closer to Buckley, as many regard him in the same breath as Hird, Voss & Buckley himself - and rightly so.

I concur; West is a champion whilst Buckley is that step or two better, a legend.