What do you do with Shane Watson?

[The_Reaper]

NSW has always been the primary international cricketing state. Victoria has produced excellent cricketers over the years that haven't been given ample opportunity, opportunity full stop, or have been overlooked for vastly lesser quality players from favoured states.

Why not throw NT in to the argument considering it's significant land mass, SA, Tas and ACT.

No point doing a state vs state argument, but test players have predominately originated from either NSW or WA whether or not their selections have been warranted.

Because that would be stupid. Land mass has nothing to do with cricket.

Save for arguably Hodge (who out of Hussey or Clarke would you have dropped), which recent Victorian player was harshly done by selectors?

And which NSW selections were because of pro NSW bias?

There is no evidence whatsoever or any state bias in regards to selection.

The reason more NSW players get selected is because NSW produces better cricketers.

 

[The_Reaper]

Rogers was born in NSW and played for WA though so he barely counts anyway

Went to school with Ben Cousins

 

[Kram]

That they have anything against Victoria kind of goes out the window when complete hacks like Quiney and pie chucker McGain got gifted baggy greens.

 

[The Swans Blog]

That they have anything against Victoria kind of goes out the window when complete hacks like Quiney and pie chucker McGain got gifted baggy greens.

Can't argue with you there, but throw in Khwaja, Phil Hughes x3, O'Keefe (who the ****?) Doolan, Faulkner, Agar, Henriques, Bird, Copeland, Doherty, Peter George, shit the last goes on.

Then again Victoria has produced some rubbish over the last 15 years that got a shot that shouldn't have.

Michael Beer, the next best thing. Thanks for that one Warne, he was shit as.

 

[The_Reaper]

Can't argue with you there, but throw in Khwaja, Phil Hughes x3, O'Keefe (who the ****?) Doolan, Faulkner, Agar, Henriques, Bird, Copeland, Doherty, Peter George, shit the last goes on.

Then again Victoria has produced some rubbish over the last 15 years that got a shot that shouldn't have.

Michael Beer, the next best thing. Thanks for that one Warne, he was shit as.

Wait.

Are you complaining about how Hughes, O'Keefe, Bird, Henriques and Khawaja got games?

Should the selectors just completely ignore shield cricket?

 

[The Swans Blog]

Wait.

Are you complaining about how Hughes, O'Keefe, Bird, Henriques and Khawaja got games?

Should the selectors just completely ignore shield cricket?

Some of these players have just 1 or 2 tests to their names and are currently no where near the test set up, not even in contention for selection. Some of them are attitude issues, some of them ability and others just aren't up to the standard.

Of course the selectors can't ignore state form, but they sure as hell have when it concerns certain players over the last 15 years, picking players who were down on form for their national history, only to still be shit at the international level, or picking players who had serious technical deficiencies (Hughes, Watson) that invented new ways of getting out each time they went into bat, or just not selecting replacements for players who are seriously under performing at test level.

Don't get me wrong, I think that Victoria aren't good enough and don't produce anywhere near enough good test cricketers. Argument has been established, well argued and discussed. There is sufficient grounds for arguing about the including or exclusion of certain players in the national test team, who've either failed reasonable expectations over an extended period of time, or met or exceeded shield expectations, only to have CA take a giant shit down their throat.

 

[Demosthenes]

Want some salsa for that chip?

 

[The Swans Blog]

Want some salsa for that chip?

Fortunately our fast bowling attack looks pretty good going forward. Unfortunately, our batting lineup looks like a house of cards and the quality of fielding is somewhere around the lowest it's been for as long as I can remember, certainly since the mid 90s.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

Some of these players have just 1 or 2 tests to their names and are currently no where near the test set up, not even in contention for selection. Some of them are attitude issues, some of them ability and others just aren't up to the standard.

Wasn't Agar from Victoria? I thought that's from where Langer scouted him.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

That they have anything against Victoria kind of goes out the window when complete hacks like Quiney and pie chucker McGain got gifted baggy greens.

Settle Gretel. Beau Casson and Michael Beer say hi.

Every state has their failed test cricketers.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Settle Gretel. Beau Casson and Michael Beer say hi.

Every state has their failed test cricketers.

Yep, especially ones that have been only given a test or two...although McGain was an absolute howler and a half...although it was slim pickings at the time!

 

[krisholio14]

Clarke scored 3 double hundreds and a triple hundred. Beyond that his record, particularly in the last 5 years, is a series of failures interspersed with the odd century, about once every 10 outings.

Watson has been the far more consistent contributor with the bat, a contributor with the ball, and has had the balls to bat at 3.

In the last 10 innings, Clarke has scored more than 40 twice. Same as Watson. The previous 10 innings it was Clarke twice, versus Watson 4 times. The previous to that it was Clarke twice, versus Watson 3 times.

Consistently mediocre.

I'm not saying Clarke shouldn't have been under some kind of pressure to hold his spot, but Watson has never done anything to warrant a place in the test team at any stage. Ever.

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

Comparing Watson to Clarke. Christ their are some ****wits around here.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

Rogers was born in NSW and played for WA though so he barely counts anyway

That's the most amusing thing about Chris Rogers.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

Because that would be stupid. Land mass has nothing to do with cricket.

Save for arguably Hodge (who out of Hussey or Clarke would you have dropped), which recent Victorian player was harshly done by selectors?

And which NSW selections were because of pro NSW bias?

There is no evidence whatsoever or any state bias in regards to selection.

The reason more NSW players get selected is because NSW produces better cricketers.

Oh God, yes. Significant land masses are so important.

Look at bloody Antarctica, why doesn't the Mawson station ever produce any good cricketers?

 

[ManWithNoName]

Why is it people here can't get over what state players come from?

Last I checked they play for Australia.

 

[YOTC]

Why is it people here can't get over what state players come from?

Last I checked they play for Australia.

Because when it comes to cricket, Victoria thinks it is another country.

 

[ManWithNoName]

Because when it comes to cricket, Victoria thinks it is another country.

Strange. I saw a poster from WA starting this state based bitch session...

 

[The_Reaper]

Strange. I saw a poster from WA starting this state based bitch session...

Must have missed the bitch session about Martyn

 

[ManWithNoName]

Must have missed the bitch session about Martyn

It was a discussion about his form. Notice how nobody brought up what state he was from?

 

[The_Reaper]

It was a discussion about his form. Notice how nobody brought up what state he was from?

No but people brought up the whole idea that the selectors were biased against Victorians.

Which is the biggest myth in Australian cricket

 

[The_Reaper]

And 90% of the state vs state banter here is done for shits and giggles

 

[The Swans Blog]

And 90% of the state vs state banter here is done for shits and giggles

I don't think people really care if the national team is performing, but sometimes there's a level of pride in seeing someone get shit on when they really deserved better. In any case, which custard arm is getting a gig this week?

 

[Doodlesweaver]

It was a discussion about his form. Notice how nobody brought up what state he was from?

I thought the Martyn discussion was in relation to how Hodges had been kept out of the test team due to players like Martyn being preferred.

 

[The Swans Blog]

I thought the Martyn discussion was in relation to how Hodges had been kept out of the test team due to players like Martyn being preferred.

Victim of circumstances. It was a discussion about that but even when he was finally canned it just smacked of double standards that 'Mr Cricket' was allowed to play until he was nearly 100, even though his form constantly fluctuated, same with Katich. Then you look at the decline of the team over a 5 year period when you still had one of the best shield players constantly being ignored when scoring. More than 10,000 shield runs must mean he's a capable batsman, considering the shite that played for the national team from 2008 to 2012. He still managed to score 94 in his final test over 2 innings, nothing to sneeze at, but you know lets have a look at the team.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/319139.html
Jaques - gone, scored 13 (in his defence he had a good tour apart from getting injured later on)
Katich - gone, scored 13
Ponting - gone, scored 163 (158 1st innings)
Hussey - gone, scored 57 (56 1st innings)
Hodge - gone, scored 94 (67 1st innigs)
Symonds - gone, scored 149 (79 + 70) (probably one of his best tours)