What future do Essendon have post Sheedy ?

[kelvin_sheedy]

Pies ins this week were Buckley, Goldsack, Clarke

Supposedly the young blokes will make way once the senior blokes come back......fact is the young blokes are keeping presti and licca out of the team!

Malthouse put in Goldsack ahead of Presti, and Clarke ahead of Licca.

While at Essendon Watson is dropped, Houli cant get a game and M.Johnson and Campo are brought into the team!!

Whatever works for u blokes i suppose, u win by playing the old blokes, we win by playing the kids!

Presti was dropped last week for Wakelin. No young bloke keeping Presiti out

Where's Cox? Looks like old man Jimmy keeping him out.

Why was Licca selected ahead of Clarke last week?

Watson is injured btw.

Anywho how's Rhyce Shaw travelling?

 

[peejay]

So we drop Lucas, Lloyd and Fletcher?

Or we just tell them not to play to their best so we can slot Winderlich, Stanton etc ahead of them in the best players list?

I don't get it.

We've played a lot of kids, seven debutants, we've won 11 games coming off a 3 win season.

But that counts for nothing because top shelf footballers are playing well?

Ease up Longy - getting a bit cocky aren't we. I know we are bottom but the game doesn't start for another 41 hours !!!

 

[Longy413]

Ease up Longy - getting a bit cocky aren't we. I know we are bottom but the game doesn't start for another 41 hours !!!

I didn't think much of West Coast's performance tonight

Apologies, we've won 10 games.

 

[doppleganger]

That's not what you're saying at all.

Yes it is, if u bother to read my opening post in this thread i actually added a few extra promising dons youngsters that were missed. And then said beware of dons fans dropping names of unproven draftees, and quoted an example of a dons supporter doing that exact thing in the thread earlier!

The rest of the crap is in response to Essendon blokes seeing i barrack for Collingwood so taking pot shots at the pies for some reason??

You're sighting that MJ and Campo came into our side. You implied that was at the expense of young players. But you missed that a first gamer also came into the side.

That was in response to a bloke talking about Wakelin getting a game, as i said just responding to sh1t dribbles by Essendon supporters about Collingwood with dribble about Essendon.

There's two or three of them, they're no Macpie.
Get over it.

at least 3 in this thread alone!

We already know you're in no position to do that because you don't know enough about Essendon or our young players.

Yep, not enough have played enough games at AFL level, i dont rate blokes on what they do at VFL or in the TAC as it is a massive step up to AFL!

We know you're in no position to make that comparison, and we know you're going to trot out the old Lloyd, Lucas, Fletcher are Essendon's best players line. Well **** me they're ****ing great footballers.

No i would have said Hird is ur best player!

So we won't go down that road.

Good move, results speak for themselves, pies win more games and our senior blokes contribute less........wonder who is winning us games then??

 

[doppleganger]

Presti was dropped last week for Wakelin. No young bloke keeping Presiti out

Yep, straight swap......then this week Goldsack came in and Presti remained at Willi, supposedly the youngsters wouldn't get a game when our senior blokes are fit tho?

Where's Cox? Looks like old man Jimmy keeping him out.

Cox, he is playing at Willi.....he is a similar player to Harry O, Goldsack and Maxwell who all are playing.

Of course our Vice Captain will play, what kind of a club would drop one of their leaders??

Why was Licca selected ahead of Clarke last week?

He wasn't, they both played for Willi. Clarke was elevated this week even tho Licca picked up 30+ disposals!

Anywho how's Rhyce Shaw travelling?

Ordinary this year

 

[Longy413]

pies win more games

At the moment.

our senior blokes contribute less

That's because your senior blokes are crap.

wonder who is winning us games then??

I'd say the bloke who should take the most credit hasn't even played a game.

He's the same bloke that was able to oversee average lists into two Grand Finals.


Now, if we can just get Lloyd, Lucas, Fletcher and Hird to play poorly this week so we can get a few kids in the best.

Oh wait, Fletcher played a bit over a quarter last week. Hird had a disposal effectiveness of 60% and Lucas played at CHB.

But surely it was them that carried us to our previous win. Oh, hang on, Fletcher, JJ and Hird didn't play and Lucas didn't have a shot at goal.

Bugger me, perhaps we do have more than 5 players after all.

 

[doppleganger]

That's because your senior blokes are crap.

So our young blokes must be heaps better!

Bugger me, perhaps we do have more than 5 players after all.

According to Essendonfc.com.au

the dons best 3 against the blues in rnd 20 were

Camporeale, Lloyd, Hird

Add

Fletcher, Lucas, Michael and that makes 6! so ur right u do have more than 5 players!

 

[Longy413]

So our young blokes must be heaps better!

Again reading what you want to read.

According to Essendonfc.com.au

Which is written by a 21 y/o female trainee.
Forgive me if I take that with a grain of salt.

Camporeale, Lloyd, Hird

Hird was ordinary. Kicked an important goal at the end.

But other than that was ordinary.

Laycock was the best player and with Lloyd, Monfries and Campo was the catalyst for the win.

But relying on a website report again highlights that you don't have your own judgement and opinion.

You don't actually know what you are talking about. Had you seen the game you'd have known the impact Laycock made and wouldn't refer to another report. You'd have known how good Monfries was.

You'd have known the impact Reimers made. How good Nash, McPhee and Welsh were.

You would have known that the best player and most important player on the ground in the last quarter was Andrew Lovett.

It's funny to keep showing you up, but I do feel it's going to tire pretty soon.

Fletcher, Lucas, Michael and that makes 6! so ur right u do have more than 5 players!

Yeah, Fletcher was brilliant on the bench injured. He's played no role in our last two wins.

Michael was playing on no one and Lucas was nothing more than solid. He too has made no major impact in our last three wins. In fact his second half of the season has been rather non-eventful because of injury.

Of course, you'd actually have to watch the odd game of footy to know any of that. So apologies if I'm speaking above you.

 

[doppleganger]

Again reading what you want to read.

According to you our senior players are shit, well some of our players must go alright if we have won the 3rd most home and away games in the last 2 years??

Perhaps it is our youngsters?

Bunch of waffle

U are hilarious, i reply to a simple throw away line by urself when u said

'Bugger me, perhaps we do have more than 5 players after all.'

So i listed 6 old blokes.

Then u unleash some barrage of crap about one game!

And for your info, monfries, nash, mcphee and lovett also made it into her votes. so perhaps she does know a thing or two!

ur all worked up because i said that the dons kids are unproven.........imagine what ud be like if i said they were rubbish!!

 

[wazzabp]

I didn't start the thread i actually posted that i think that Stanton, Winders, Watson and Davey have showed that they are quality youngsters when a previous poster only credited Ryder and Gumby.

I then pointed out that plenty of Essendon supporters claim kids like Jetta, Houli, Dempsey, Reimers, Hocking as quality youngsters when they are yet to show anything at AFL level.

Never said anything about my view on the dons post Sheedy, just commented that Dons fans rattle off unproven kids as quality youngsters which is ridiculous!

Houli, Jetta, Reimers ,Hocking and Dempsey are quality youngsters, they have showed flashes of good footy when they were playing at AFL level, but for now, a few are developing a bit more at Bendigo. Now we are seeing how Hocking and Reimers go, and they go O.K so I wouldn't say they haven't shown anything at AFL level, but they still need a bit more work on their parts of their games, but the signs are very positive.
I'm a fan of bringing in younger players, but people are forgetting we are an outside chance to make the finals, so theres no point in rushing in the young players for the sake of rushing them in. Our senior core are still contributing well enough to hold the young kids out. But with a new coach next year, a few older fringe players might be pretty nervous.

 

[Longy413]

According to you our senior players are shit, well some of our players must go alright if we have won the 3rd most home and away games in the last 2 years??

Perhaps it is our youngsters?

Or perhaps I was implying the players on your list in the middle of their careers go alright. Didak, Fraser and co.

Or perhaps I was implying that the most important person at your club and the one that should take the lions share of credit for the last two years is the coach. Did that not ring any bells when I mentioned a bloke that hasn't even played a game?

I like your little statistic though, it's cute. Does it help you sleep well?

Here's one, Collingwood have won the same number of finals in the last two years as Essendon, Carlton and Richmond.

U are hilarious, i reply to a simple throw away line by urself when u said

'Bugger me, perhaps we do have more than 5 players after all.'

So i listed 6 old blokes.

Ah I see, so when you couldn't actually debate the topic objectively you turned to trolling. Nice.

Silly me for not catching onto that one.

And for your info, monfries, nash, mcphee and lovett also made it into her votes. so perhaps she does know a thing or two!

No. She doesn't.

But again, you are commenting on a game you haven't seen.
So your theories/opinions/reasoning all count for nothing. You actually know nothing about the subject but it's funny watching you try.

ur all worked up because i said that the dons kids are unproven.........imagine what ud be like if i said they were rubbish!!

I'm not worked up at all and it's going nothing to do with what you've said about our kids being unproven.

It's going to do about the greater topic here and your inaccuracies when mentioning our senior players, the point that has time and time again gone missing on you.

And I haven't seen anyone say Gumby, Reimers, Jetta and co proven youngsters. Just talented ones that have made an impact in the games they have played. Really, that's all we want from 18 year olds.

 

[mantis]

the most interseting thing will be to see how much of a clean out goes on , now that sheedy wont be around too hang onto his boys , jobe watson , camporeale,cole,bolton,heffernan,johns,there is more but cant recall at the minute . ....

Jobe Watson, you don't watch many of our games do you?

 

[understudy]

To the defencive bomber fans, I can assure you I am not attempting to take pot shots at your club.

I have a soft spot for the bombers and am concerned firstly about where they are at and more importantly where they are going.

Just heard Peter Jackson interviewed on SEN, thoroughly unimpressed, not sure this is the bloke to take the club forward - seems to have far too much pull in the club and I dont think its appropriate for him to be leading the administration and on the board at the same time.

Concerned about who they (he) are going to appoint as head coach.

Not really interested in debating my thoughts, but obviously feel free to disagree and add your thoughts.

 

[raskolnikov]

Can't be bothered to read the whole thread so I am probably rehashing what others have said but this is my take on it.

Sheedy leaving will leave a big hole at Essendon which will definitely take some time to fill. I think we will struggle over the next year or two as the club adjusts to life after Sheeds. It will take the new coach some time to come in and find their way. Players like Hird, Fletcher, and Lucas will retire in the next year or two. This will also leave a big hole.

On the bright side we have some players on the rise that will be stars. Ryder, Nash, Houli, Gumbleton and Jetta amongst others. Once the new coach is settled in and these players find their feet in the AFL I think you will see an Essendon side that will be a force to be reckoned with.

 

[doppleganger]

Or perhaps I was implying the players on your list in the middle of their careers go alright. Didak, Fraser and co.

Didak and Fraser have been average in 07, Didak coming off a knee reco and Fraser struggling with a back complaint all year.

Instead of implying perhaps u should simply spit out what u mean!

Ah I see, so when you couldn't actually debate the topic objectively you turned to trolling. Nice.

The topic is Essendon's future post Sheedy, all i said was beware of Essendon supporters who claim blokes as Houli, Dempsey, Jetta, Hocking etc as future stars!

It's going to do about the greater topic here and your inaccuracies when mentioning our senior players, the point that has time and time again gone missing on you.

I never mentioned any senior players in my first post. Senior players were mentioned by daytripper i think when he rattled off a list of Collingwoods old blokes........no idea why he did that??

And I haven't seen anyone say Gumby, Reimers, Jetta and co proven youngsters. Just talented ones that have made an impact in the games they have played. Really, that's all we want from 18 year olds.

I have read many people say they will be stars, that Essendon's future looks good becuase these blokes are on the list! All i said was these blokes aint done squat at AFL.

Read the thread, it wasn't i who brought up senior players, or playing old blokes etc. all dons fans who dont seem to want to address the point of the thread, Essendon's future post Sheedy! Collingwood has SFA to do with Essendon post Sheedy

 

[understudy]

Who do Bomber fans think will end up landing the senior coaching job for next year ?

 

[doppleganger]

And we will most likely be one game behind Collingwood at the end of this weekend however things aren't looking good at Windy Hill but they are at Lexus.

Bahahaha, try 3 games!

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

Who do Bomber fans think will end up landing the senior coaching job for next year ?

Guus Hiddink.

 

[doppleganger]

Guus Hiddink.

Like ur thinking, Rafa much better tho!

 

[Cheeseman]

My prediction..... PAIN!

 

[understudy]

My prediction..... PAIN!

Yeah been talking to quite a few bomber fans here at work, not taking the loss to well and quite pessimistic about their chances against West Coast.

 

[understudy]

We are one game out of the 8 and could only be one game behind Collingwood at the end of this weekend.

Funny how bomber fans dont want to talk about their future this week.

Essendon havent copped enough crap for their woeful performance on the weekend with everything to play for and seeing off two legends of their club and they serve that up ?

I suspect they are probably getting off scot free because no one really cares, respects or rates them as a club anymore.

 

[ManWithNoName]

Funny how bomber fans dont want to talk about their future this week.

Essendon havent copped enough crap for their woeful performance on the weekend with everything to play for and seeing off two legends of their club and they serve that up ?

I suspect they are probably getting off scot free because no one really cares, respects or rates them as a club anymore.

Funny how you're to pathetically weak to list your team.
Funny how you're so obsessed with us you'll start a threat about us on the main board.
Funny how we have more on-field respect that your club (which I know is Collingwood) can ever hope to have.

Funny that

We're in trouble for a couple of years, but we'll come back. We're not a rabble like a lot of other clubs. Failure is unacceptable at Essendon.

 

[DeeHughMan]

My guess and it is only a guess is they will struggle for 2-3 years.
there problems are numerous. i think they have been a bit lucky this year winning 4 games they should have lost but that is irrelevant.

Replacing ageing stars is impossible. so dont try and do it.

depth is an issue. they have not put the game time into young players so there development has been slow.

they have no ruck or quality on ballers coming through.

Bombers fans. Get ready to go down. anyone young wont know what it is like for your team to be hopeless but you will find out.

 

[Tambu]

My guess and it is only a guess is they will struggle for 2-3 years.

there problems are numerous. i think they have been a bit lucky this year winning 4 games they should have lost but that is irrelevant.

We should have lost? How should a team have lost games that they worked hard to win, we put ourselves in a winning position...
And the numerous games we narrowly lost last year? What about those?

Replacing ageing stars is impossible. so dont try and do it.

No it's not.

depth is an issue. they have not put the game time into young players so there development has been slow.

Depth is definitely an issue, an issue we'll rectify in the next couple of years. We haven't given some youngsters game time because they've been injured. Hard to earn a spot when you're injured.

they have no ruck or quality on ballers coming through.

Laycock is coming along nicely, showing that when he's injury free he could do very well. He's only 22.
I agree that we have a lack of quality on ballers.

Bombers fans. Get ready to go down. anyone young wont know what it is like for your team to be hopeless but you will find out.

We're already down. We've been down and hopeless for three or four years. Being down for another couple won't surprise many Essendon fans.