What to do with Bowden

[LondonBulldog]

Bowden is the weakest player on our list. I call him short steps Bowden as he always pulls up short of a contest. Never gets first to the ball unless he is on his own.

What to do?

My suggestion is to try and toughen him up in the backline. Each week give him a job to do.
Eg: Playing Port say keep Cornes quiet. Essendon wear lucas like a glove. Don't give him the oppositions best forward but the second or third best. Melbourne Russel Robertson etc. Try to make him a stopper.

Just a thought as he is not physical enough as a forward.

Any other thoughts?

 

[stefoid]

Hard to judge any of our forwards performances based on the Geelong game. Turning him into a defender is interesting, ala that geelong guy who went to melbourne.

but bowdo sort of reminds me of hunter. the game is just a little too fast for these guys. by the time they have taken stock of the situation, and decided on a course of action, events have passed them by.

 

[Chops]

Originally posted by stefoid
Hard to judge any of our forwards performances based on the Geelong game. Turning him into a defender is interesting, ala that geelong guy who went to melbourne.

but bowdo sort of reminds me of hunter. the game is just a little too fast for these guys. by the time they have taken stock of the situation, and decided on a course of action, events have passed them by.

Interesting idea LB.
Its not just he performance in the Geelong game but most of last year and by the fact never once really starred for Werribee.

Hunter was harder at the ball than Bowden. He has got Richmonditis.

 

[Doggiesrule1020]

Ive got an idea why doesnt everyone just leave him alone.He needs a chance to show everyone what he can do and Rhodey will hopefully give him a better chance than Terry Wallace ever did.What do you all have against him anyway

GO PAT

 

[chels_09]

Rosie, i dont think they have anything against him, its just some constructive critism.

Pat didn't do much on the weekend, and even though we lost, he didn't really take his chance with both hands. He dropped marks, over ran the ball and was pretty slow in decision making when he had to.

He needs a bit more time, personally i dont think he is ready for seniors, he needs a bit more time, but by the end of the season, i have no doubt that he will be ready for the seniors and will be performing well under rohde.

 

[Doggiesrule1020]

I know he didnt do much chels but but hes of my faves and id like to see him do well and everyone always picks on him.About not being god enough for seniors i hope he proves you and everyone else wrong.

 

[LondonBulldog]

Doggies Rule I hope Bowden does well also. He is athletic, moves well and can kick well. At this stage he just doesn't work hard enough thats why I suggested given him importants jobs or roles to play in the backline.
My opinion is based on his form to date not just on the weekend. His time is now, he is mature enough and if he doesn't produce this year he never will.

 

[Derek Zoolander]

Originally posted by Doggiesrule1020
Ive got an idea why doesnt everyone just leave him alone.He needs a chance to show everyone what he can do and Rhodey will hopefully give him a better chance than Terry Wallace ever did.What do you all have against him anyway

GO PAT

I have an even better idea, why doesn't he learn to play tough accountable hard football.

All the talent in the world, yet he has the work ethic of a decapitated chicken.

He looks very lazy on the field which is where his down fall is. We've all seen glimpses of what he can do, but consistantly he fails when given his chance.

Thats my take on it anyway.

 

[Doggiesrule1020]

Well if thats your opinion sporty so be it i mean after all its a forum and everyones free to share their veiw.It wouldnt be good if everyone all shared the same veiw on every topic that was posted on these boards.

 

[Derek Zoolander]

Originally posted by Doggiesrule1020
Well if thats your opinion sporty so be it i mean after all its a forum and everyones free to share their veiw.It wouldnt be good if everyone all shared the same veiw on every topic that was posted on these boards.

Did it hurt much to post that? Way more diplomatic than i had expected

 

[chels_09]

I know he didnt do much chels but but hes of my faves and id like to see him do well and everyone always picks on him.About not being god enough for seniors i hope he proves you and everyone else wrong.

I know he is your fav rosie, i wasn't bagging him, i was just agreeing with what was said.

I hope he does make it good in the seniors and goes as far as he can, dont get me wrong, but our young guys were really shown up by the geelong youngsters and bowdo just happens to be one of our young guys.

 

[Derek Zoolander]

Originally posted by chels_09
I know he is your fav rosie, i wasn't bagging him, i was just agreeing with what was said.

You were bagging him!!! We all read what you said. What a mean friend you are to Rosie. MEAN.

PS I think he's been given his chances and may have missed the boat

 

[Doggiesrule1020]

Thats cool chels i know you werent bagging him your forgiven this time lol.

 

[stefoid]

Originally posted by Sporty Spice
I have an even better idea, why doesn't he learn to play tough accountable hard football.

All the talent in the world, yet he has the work ethic of a decapitated chicken.

He looks very lazy on the field which is where his down fall is. We've all seen glimpses of what he can do, but consistantly he fails when given his chance.

Thats my take on it anyway.

Ive seen decapitated chickens run harder than he does

 

[Bulldog1954]

I think the solution to Bowden is to delist him at the end of the year like we should have done at the end of last year. Wiggo is far better which is saying a lot and Mc Guiness is already far better after having been in the league for one year

 

[Mr. Walker]

Originally posted by Bulldog1954
I think the solution to Bowden is to delist him at the end of the year like we should have done at the end of last year. Wiggo is far better which is saying a lot and Mc Guiness is already far better after having been in the league for one year

I agree. he has had long enough to show if he has anything and the fact is he hasn't. No hardness at the ball, no fighting to win contested marks, no willingness to work hard and no ball winning ability. Delist him at the end of the year and get him out of the place. Until then we should be supportive.

 

[Dry Rot]

Bowden is the Brendan Fevola of the Dogs, without the goal record or bad habits.

Even my cat has better concentration and certainly more guts.

Could occaisionally star in the Werribee 2s. A delisting at season's end won't come soon enough.

 

[OldSchool]

If Bowden does not look like becoming a regular senior play by the seasons end then he should be de-listed however, I think that any suggestion that he should have been given the flick at the end of last season is wrong.
He performed well in the pre-season last year only to have the coach drop him in preference of players like Bartlett and James so from my point of view he really has not had the chance to display his ability.
If he cannot find a spot with Rohde then he should be moved on.

I will be interested to read Chops views on him as he sees the Bees more than most.

 

[jim440]

Originally posted by Bulldog1954
I think the solution to Bowden is to delist him at the end of the year like we should have done at the end of last year. Wiggo is far better which is saying a lot and Mc Guiness is already far better after having been in the league for one year

No way should we delist Bowden.

We should trade him to Richmond.

After all, they took Hudson, we should be able to offload a dud like Bowden.

 

[Westy_Boy]

Originally posted by Dry Rot
Bowden is the Brendan Fevola of the Dogs, without the goal record or bad habits.

Even my cat has better concentration and certainly more guts.

Could occaisionally star in the Werribee 2s. A delisting at season's end won't come soon enough.

How many times have you seen him play?

 

[Chops]

Originally posted by OldSchool
If Bowden does not look like becoming a regular senior play by the seasons end then he should be de-listed however, I think that any suggestion that he should have been given the flick at the end of last season is wrong.
He performed well in the pre-season last year only to have the coach drop him in preference of players like Bartlett and James so from my point of view he really has not had the chance to display his ability.
If he cannot find a spot with Rohde then he should be moved on.

I will be interested to read Chops views on him as he sees the Bees more than most.

I never seen him play a great game for Werribee yet. Someone mentioned that he had hardly ever been in the named 6 best for Weribee. Wiggins has the excuse of the major knee injury. It was very worrying on Sunday when he was in front and got pushed off the ball by Graham.
Saying that it was only the first game and he has a season to prove us wrong.
I think we missed out in trading him, anotehr bad year and even the tigers would pick him up.

 

[OldSchool]

Originally posted by Chops
I never seen him play a great game for Werribee yet. Someone mentioned that he had hardly ever been in the named 6 best for Weribee. Wiggins has the excuse of the major knee injury. It was very worrying on Sunday when he was in front and got pushed off the ball by Graham.
Saying that it was only the first game and he has a season to prove us wrong.
I think we missed out in trading him, anotehr bad year and even the tigers would pick him up.

Chops, Do you think he is worth perservering with ?
I like the idea of trying him as a defender if he is deemed as not having what it takes as a forward. He was fairly good against Freo in last season pre-season game floating back as a loose defender. I would hate to see us give up on him without him being given a sufficient chance. I am pretty sure that Chris Grant thought he was a good prospect 12 months ago.

 

[angi]

Bowden

We'll just have to see wont we theres still a whole yr 2 go b4 we should b making stupid de-listing comments.
Sure ur allowed ur own opinion but seriously talking de-listings in Feb. Also ur starting to sound a little like the richmond board BOWDEN IS SOFT yadda yadda yadda i think we should wait until we've seen him play a few more senoir games b4 u start the bagging

 

[Dry Rot]

Originally posted by Westy_Boy
How many times have you seen him play?

Fair question. A handful of times for the firsts on TV, and never with Bees, but note other's reports.

Do agree Wallet didn't seem to give him a go, but far more impressed with attitude of other youngsters like Cross and McGuinness who had a real crack at their limited opportunities.

 

[Bulldog1954]

Re: Bowden

Originally posted by angi
We'll just have to see wont we theres still a whole yr 2 go b4 we should b making stupid de-listing comments.
Sure ur allowed ur own opinion but seriously talking de-listings in Feb. Also ur starting to sound a little like the richmond board BOWDEN IS SOFT yadda yadda yadda i think we should wait until we've seen him play a few more senoir games b4 u start the bagging

Theres a difference between Joel and Patrick. Patrick is soft and doesn't take a grab or get a kick, Joel is soft but gets a heap of the ball and has a classy left boot on him. Joel is one of Richmonds best players and is a scapegoat for the whole side being weak. I hope Pattty proves me wrong and starts to get a few kicks, but I think its highly unlikely