Where Australian Cricket all started going wrong.

[Yabba]

It came sometime during the 2005 Ashes, when the selectors made it clear they would preference out of form veterans to in form youngsters and mature age domestic players.

Think about how many players whose prime we wasted because we were waiting for the terribly out of form guys like Martyn & Katich to start scoring runs when it was clear they weren't going to.

I agree with the point but not about Martyn. He was absolutly murdered by the umpires during that series... Got probably more stinkers in that series than he did for the rest of his career.

2005 Ashes while Australia lost I would more say that it was due to McGrath's injury & Gillespie forgetting how to bowl.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

yes that is definitely true, there will be exceptions, prodigious talent of course must be played...if they are there abouts, ponting was dropped a couple of times from the test side, so was warne.

who are the prodigious talents in australia then?? and dont say khawaja or ferguson because for the hype they get, i certainly dont see them as the prodigious talent ponting, lara or tendulkar was.

The players I listed weren't all universally agreed upon as being prodigous talents. Healy and McGrath in particular.

That's too easy.

Intuitive, long term selection is difficult.

 

[Parquet Court]

touchet.

well my opinion is that unless they are a prodigious talent then you should be in first class cricket and if they are good enough they will show the form over time.

 

[mattymac]

the australian example in question atm is steven smith,
is he talented? definitely.
is he in the best 11?? not even close

steven smith is talented but hardly prodigious, does a bit of this and a bit of that but in reality he has a couple of 1st class season in a first class system that is not what it was 10 years ago.

i agree with this and i think someone needs to make a hard call on smith.

if we are honest, he is in the side because of his bowling. he has a wildly amateurish batting technique atm, nowhere near test standard. with such a flawed technique he will have the odd lucky innings but will generally get destroyed at test level as sides see through him. he is in the side because we desperately want a leggie and we are hoping that by exposing him to the frontline he will develope into a world class spin bowler.

having him at 7 means haddin gets pushed up to 6. no way known is he the best number 6 in the land, nor is smith the best 7. so having him in the side is keeping out a better man. haddin should be at 7 and a genuine bat should be at 6.

plus we still have to play a real spinner with smith in the side. he is the definition of a bits and pieces player

so, does the possible (unprobable) benefit of him turning into a benaudesque spinner (as the sydney media would have us believe he is destined to become) outweigh the definite cost of him keeping out a better number 6? not in my opinion. i don't think we are in a strong enough state that we can carry him on wishful thinking

play a proper number 6 and the best spinner in the land

 

[Torpedo12]

So when are the selectors gunna get the arse, oh wait, they wont.

 

[The Ando Factor]

The increasing focus of the balance sheet/revenue generation as proof of the game's strength. It's actually a testament to the ability of the money men to commercialise the game and exploit the loyalty of those who follow it for the benefit of the elite. The game has never been awash with so much money, and yet this doesn't trickle down to the grassroots. From what I've seen recently of local/sub-district cricket - the base of the talent pyramid - the game is in huge trouble.

 

[Bert1]

I also remember Damien Martyn having to sms his own omission from the side through after a few years of the selectors not doing anything about it.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

I also remember Damien Martyn having to sms his own omission from the side through after a few years of the selectors not doing anything about it.

It was about 18 months, then he was gone after the second match of the Ashes 06. That included getting dropped after the 2005 Ashes. Up to and including the Lord test match of the Ashes 05, Martyn had been our best batsman for the couple of seasons before that.

And at least he did SMS it in. Hussey and Punter aren't going to give up without being chucked out by the selectors. And this lot of selectors won't do it.

 

[roostersgal4eva]

warne and mcgrath retiring

IT wasnt just that....no peperation for when we would have our stars retire and when they did they didnt bite the bullet and started the rebuliding

We reufse to make the hard call and put faith in the next generation - also giving spots to players based on years in SS.

Against Bangladesh here and the next test foward is THE time to put Kawarja, Paine and Fegerson etc. in, take the medicine that comes with blooding young players and start the rebulding process.

At the moment its like trying to build a house by starting with the roof

 

[Phone]

I also remember Damien Martyn having to sms his own omission from the side through after a few years of the selectors not doing anything about it.

is this a real post

he never should have been dropped after the 05 ashes and if any batsman should have been dropped it's Hayden, given the poor record he had in England (2 scores above 50 in 10 tests, both at the traditionally flat Oval so in the 5th test)

 

[Gazza_11]

As soon as the current selection panel was appointed. Even if that was smack bang in the middle of our domination, they're the biggest dopes on this planet.

 

[western royboy]

Shifting the cricket academy from Adelaide to Brisbane in 2004.

The other states whinged and moaned that their best players were being taken out of their programs for too long. It was basically a live in program in Adelaide, almost 12 months of the year. Bevan and Berry played for SA while they were attending the academy before playing for their home states later on. Attendees played grade cricket in Adelaide as part of the program, though this started gettign stripped back in later years due to the complaints of the other states.

A few Adelaide Academy graduates... M Clarke, M Bevan, G Blewett, N Bracken, A Gilchrist, J Gillespie, M Kasprowicz, S Katich, J Langer, B Lee, S MacGill, D Martyn, G McGrath, R Ponting, M Slater, A Symonds, S Warne...

Since moving to the Centre of Excellence in Queensland the production of world class cricketers has largely ceased. Now it is basically a cricket 'drop in centre' where players go to get a brief period of tuition in the winter but spend the bulk of their time within their state/grade programs.

Hugely underrated how successful the former program was and how spectacularly unsuccessful the current one is.

 

[mattymac]

Hugely underrated how successful the former program was and how spectacularly unsuccessful the current one is.

now that tooley is in charge of it i guess we've pretty much officially written it off

 

[Dr Pool]

Cricket Australia went chasing the corporate dollar esp. from India.

Since then, the performance of the Australian cricket team has gone backwards.

 

[CAS79]

Australia cricket started going wrong when half way through our super domination of world cricket for 15 years we made every promotion about the dominant Australian team and not the cricket.

We were never going to continue for ever to be the dominant force that we were, especially with the strengthening Indian team.

So when we finally started getting beaten the interest wained in the game because here in Australia we forgot to love good cricket and just love our all dominating team that could not last.

 

[The Governor]

James Sutherland and Michael Brown decided to chase the Indian 20-20 dollars and are obsessed with the stupid Big Bah competition.

The review will be a complete waste of time due to Mark Taylor, James Sutherland and Malcolm Speed having a conflict of interest.

Gee, why was not Rod Marsh and Ric Charlesworth appointed on the review panel to give the incompetent CA board a chance to hear teh real truth?

In reference to the previous blogs, the Academy set up in Adelaide was a great set up under RW Marsh. He pciked young cricketers who were entertainers ie attacking positive cricketers who could score runs and teake wickets.

At the minute, the Golden Retriever and the Boonie Doll are living in denial!

ENough has been said!!

 

[Brown Lightning]

From the Sydney Test match in 2008 Vs India, Cricket Australia began to slide....cmon, we all remember it....We were watching it, and we said, from this day forward, Aussie cricket is going to go downhill. Next match, they get beaten in their own game in Perth by India.

 

[western royboy]

James Sutherland and Michael Brown decided to chase the Indian 20-20 dollars and are obsessed with the stupid Big Bah competition.

The review will be a complete waste of time due to Mark Taylor, James Sutherland and Malcolm Speed having a conflict of interest.

Gee, why was not Rod Marsh and Ric Charlesworth appointed on the review panel to give the incompetent CA board a chance to hear teh real truth?

In reference to the previous blogs, the Academy set up in Adelaide was a great set up under RW Marsh. He pciked young cricketers who were entertainers ie attacking positive cricketers who could score runs and teake wickets.

At the minute, the Golden Retriever and the Boonie Doll are living in denial!

ENough has been said!!

Mal Speed is a straight shooter who doesn't suffer fools. He will withdraw himself if there is any bullshit.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

A part-time fielding coach is the first to go.I knew it was all Mike Young's fault.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/cricket/chiefs-presence-taints-review-20110521-1ey2a.html

It must be a blast being on this 'independent' review panel.

 

[Ill Chicken]

At least Boon is gone from the selection panel.

 

[lionbear]

Personally Australian cricket started to go wrong the day Steve Waugh didn't retire after that brilliant 100 against the poms at the SCG. He went on for 12 months against minow sides then played one last series against India.

From that point, I felt that players like Hussey, Hodge and co didn't get an opportunity till later on rather then the 24 or 25 year olds we have brought through in the past. I still can't work out why Haddin was brought in to the side when he was over 30 rather then a 23 or 24 year old Paine. Also players hold on alot more because they didn't get there opportunities till late rather then retiring gracefully.

We now seem to have no selection policy and are struggling to bring in too much youth at once so we stick with players well into their thirties. if we had drip fed them in over the last 5 years like we should of we wouldn't have this issue now.

 

[Phone]

saying a 23yo/24yo paine who had done nothing in fc cricket (bit like the current paine really) should have taken over instead of the guy who had been the clear back-up for more than 5 years is a lot closer to why australian cricket has gone wrong - common sense has vanished.

 

[lionbear]

saying a 23yo/24yo paine who had done nothing in fc cricket (bit like the current paine really) should have taken over instead of the guy who had been the clear back-up for more than 5 years is a lot closer to why australian cricket has gone wrong - common sense has vanished.

Maybe Paine was not the answer, but I never felt that Haddin was either.

I didn't like it when one of the phone calls Gilchrist made before he announced his retirement was to Haddin to congratulate him on the fact he was about to become the full time wicket keeper. (Per Gilly's Book). Shows that selection criteria was heading off course because there was clearly no discussion on who was taking the most important role in the field.

 

[legend166]

Haddin was not and is not the reason we suck.