Which Club Gets Judd

[KnockOut]

I'm actually amazed more people haven't voted for the Tiges.

I would have just simply haven't heard anything media-wise about a Richmond offer although they would be best placed with #2, #19, PSD #1 and a Tambling/Deledio/Revolt to put on the table.

 

[KnockOut]

That doesn't make our list old parrot

For a side to be in a position Richmond's is - at the bottom- the side would have to be either very young our rebuilding. Considering Richmond's average age would be around 25 the side should be performing a lot better. Not only does this make the team aging but also plain crap

 

[parrot]

For a side to be in a position Richmond's is - at the bottom- the side would have to be either very young our rebuilding. Considering Richmond's average age would be around 25 the side should be performing a lot better. Not only does this make the team aging but also plain crap

Bit harsh, but a valid point. To make matters worse many of their younger players are just plain terrible thanks to some silly draft selections. The focus has been on Terry's infamous Tambling draft gaff, but if you look at their list a little deeper, that is only the tip of the iceberg at Tigerland. Their VFL side is jam packed full of top-draft pick gaffs, that have been stagnating on their list for several years. Terry's too frightened to delist them and make way for more talent because he'd be admiting to his mistakes. So the Tiges are kinda stuck.

 

[whelan=legend]

Its pretty obvious judd is coming home to the dees. This talk of him being homesick is bullshit. He's done everything at the Eagles, now its time to come back to the club he loves.

Pretty sure he doesnt want to go to a tanking scum side like carlton

 

[KnockOut]

Terry's too frightened to delist them and make way for more talent because he'd be admiting to his mistakes. So the Tiges are kinda stuck.

Terry would be an expert poker player. He sure knows how to dig a hole, but i admire the fact that he holds his ground. This way at least theres one bye in the competition. I'd hate to give away one of your prized arguments but Tambling was seen as a very good player and Franklin an arrogant 'spark'. Hawthorn took a risk, paid off. Terry will stick to his guns, Tambling just might come good at the age of 30, Terry does not want to miss out in the off chance that Tambling might very well have a 20% chance of making it as a player

 

[njac3]

I have the feeling that he will go to the Dees also.

He wont go to carlton purely due to the instability there, and the fact that he will want to play finals in the next 5 years

That being considered i think the trade will be
a. pick 4, silvia and a young forward. (Bait perhaps) may be too much
b. Pick 4, Johnstone and a young forward.

May sound excessive but that whats his value will bring.

Carlton would need to give up that dud kennedy, pick 3, and young mid, perhaps gigg or something along those lines.

That young raw unstructured telent will look better in the midfield but only hampers their already shocking key position prospects.

 

[beaver fever]

For a side to be in a position Richmond's is - at the bottom- the side would have to be either very young our rebuilding. Considering Richmond's average age would be around 25 the side should be performing a lot better. Not only does this make the team aging but also plain crap

A team's average age is not a good indicator of the age of a list. Richmond's is 23 incidentally, but the true indicator is the mean age.

Richmond has 27 players under 24, 12 players between 24 and 30, and 1 over 30.

Even these statistics aren't as relevant as games played.

We have 8 players with less than 10 games experience, 14 between 10-50 games, 8 between 51-100, 3 between 101-150, and 6 with more than 151 games.

You need to have players around the 100 game mark to be a strong team. That means 32 players haven't yet reached this mark.

So that's your pathetic argument shat all over then.

 

[parrot]

A team's average age is not a good indicator of the age of a list. Richmond's is 23 incidentally, but the true indicator is the mean age.

Richmond has 27 players under 24, 12 players between 24 and 30, and 1 over 30.

Even these statistics aren't as relevant as games played.

We have 8 players with less than 10 games experience, 14 between 10-50 games, 8 between 51-100, 3 between 101-150, and 6 with more than 151 games.

You need to have players around the 100 game mark to be a strong team. That means 32 players haven't yet reached this mark.

So that's your pathetic argument shat all over then.

Next year Richo will be 33, Johnson 30, Brown 30, Simmonds 31, Tivendale 30, Bowden 30. And I haven't inlcluded the huge number between 26 and 30. And that's after you delisted Kent Kingsley 30, Hall 29, Gaspar 32. That's a pretty old list. Deny it if you want.

 

[HBK619]

It will either be the best scenario or Judd will go in the PSD.

Carlton: Pick 3 and Fevola For Judd.

Richmond: Pick 2 and 19 plus fringe player for Judd.

Melbourne: Pick 4, Sylvia and one of Bate, Green or Bruce for Judd.

Collingwood: 1st Pick(???), Didak and fringe player for Judd.

I would think one of them might be a possible solution, Carlton's would seem most likely but it might send them backwards if they cant find someone to cover for Fevola and fast.

 

[HBK619]

Next year Richo will be 33, Johnson 30, Brown 30, Simmonds 31, Tivendale 30, Bowden 30. And I haven't inlcluded the huge number between 26 and 30. And that's after you delisted Kent Kingsley 30, Hall 29, Gaspar 32. That's a pretty old list. Deny it if you want.

The thing that you seem to be forgetting most of all is that in the last 4 games this season Richmond were very competitive winning 2(one win being against the side currently in a Preliminary Final) whereas all the Blues could muster up was losing 11 games in a row just so they could pick up one extra player in the draft, do you even know how pathetic that sounds?

You guys were applauding the opposition kicking goals and wouldn't even celebrate when the man who was picked No.1 last year Bryce Gibbs kicked a goal.

 

[HBK619]

A fact actually. Next year the Blues oldest player will be Lance at 27 years. The Tiges have at least 5-6 players older than that.

FACTS = GET THEM STRAIGHT!

Lance Whitnall is already 28.

Lance Whitnall DOB:23 Aug 1979

Nick Stevens is 4 months away from being 28yo, Heath Scotland is 27yo, Jason Saddington will be 28 next year, Brendan Fevola will be 27 next year, Cain Ackland on a 3 year contract will be 26yo next year as with Ryan Houlihan and Jarrad Waite who is only now starting to show some sort of form will be 25yo and yet Richmond have an old list.

 

[beaver fever]

Next year Richo will be 33, Johnson 30, Brown 30, Simmonds 31, Tivendale 30, Bowden 30. And I haven't inlcluded the huge number between 26 and 30. And that's after you delisted Kent Kingsley 30, Hall 29, Gaspar 32. That's a pretty old list. Deny it if you want.

Parrot the argument was about the list this year you stooge.

You can't even get simple facts right in your bogus argument. Simmonds will be 30 and Tivendale 29. Even though Kingsley (28), Hall (26) and Gaspar (31) are retiring, none had an impact on our season. You see younger players filled their roles.

The huge number of 5-6 players between 26-30 next year?

 

[marcmurphy3]

Here's my view on the Vic clubs with regards to trading for Judd. Gives a great analysis so would be worth reading.

St Kilda - No room in the cap OUT

Geelong - No room in the cap and don't need him. also not in Melbourne OUT

Hawthorn - Lack room in the cap and don't need him as midfield is there strength. Would have to trade a gun foward and upgrade their pick which would hurt their team OUT

Bulldogs - No cap room and don't need him OUT

Richmond - have leverige in the PSD drat although I'm not sure they could afford him. Also the only the players they have that WC would want are Deledio and Foley. Richmond wouldn't trade them. Also wouldn't be able to give him the opportunitties outside football that others would and I'm not sure Judd would go to a side with a "5 year plan" UNLIKELY BUT POSSIBLE

Melbourne - Judd supported them as a child but you have to wonder how long those loyalties last. He may also want to go to one of the big Vic clubs. Melbourne wouldn't be able to offer him the outside football opportunitties that others would but they could afford him. I also don't think they have anything that WC would want. POSSIBLE CONTENDER

Collingwood - Could probably fit him in the cap and could offer him great opportunitties outside football. Big question mark is who they would give up to him as they don't have a high pick and I don't believe they would give up Pendles/ Thomas/ Cloke. POSSIBLE CONTENDER

North Melbourne - Couldn't afford him and would not appeal to Judd as they lack resources and there is a possible move to the Gold Coast
OUT

Carlton - Has to be the favourite. Can offer him opportunitties outside football that no other club can. Also have lots of room in the cap and a number of valuble commodities at the trade table. LIKELY CONTENDER

Essendon - Are second favourite in my view. Have a highish pick in 6 as well as a number of young, promising WA's in Gumbleton and Ryder (may not trade them though). Are also one of the big Vic clubs which would be appealing but I have doubts over whether they could fit him in the cap.
LIKELY CONTENDER

So overall in my view;

The top 2 contenders:
1. Carlton
2. Essendon

with outsiders being
3. Collingwood
4. Melbourne

 

[HBK619]

Here's my view on the Vic clubs with regards to trading for Judd. Gives a great analysis so would be worth reading.

St Kilda - No room in the cap OUT

Geelong - No room in the cap and don't need him. also not in Melbourne OUT

Hawthorn - Lack room in the cap and don't need him as midfield is there strength. Would have to trade a gun foward and upgrade their pick which would hurt their team OUT

Bulldogs - No cap room and don't need him OUT

Richmond - have leverige in the PSD drat although I'm not sure they could afford him. Also the only the players they have that WC would want are Deledio and Foley. Richmond wouldn't trade them. Also wouldn't be able to give him the opportunitties outside football that others would and I'm not sure Judd would go to a side with a "5 year plan" UNLIKELY BUT POSSIBLE

Melbourne - Judd supported them as a child but you have to wonder how long those loyalties last. He may also want to go to one of the big Vic clubs. Melbourne wouldn't be able to offer him the outside football opportunitties that others would but they could afford him. I also don't think they have anything that WC would want. POSSIBLE CONTENDER

Collingwood - Could probably fit him in the cap and could offer him great opportunitties outside football. Big question mark is who they would give up to him as they don't have a high pick and I don't believe they would give up Pendles/ Thomas/ Cloke. POSSIBLE CONTENDER

North Melbourne - Couldn't afford him and would not appeal to Judd as they lack resources and there is a possible move to the Gold Coast
OUT

Carlton - Has to be the favourite. Can offer him opportunitties outside football that no other club can. Also have lots of room in the cap and a number of valuble commodities at the trade table. LIKELY CONTENDER

Essendon - Are second favourite in my view. Have a highish pick in 6 as well as a number of young, promising WA's in Gumbleton and Ryder (may not trade them though). Are also one of the big Vic clubs which would be appealing but I have doubts over whether they could fit him in the cap.
LIKELY CONTENDER

So overall in my view;

The top 2 contenders:
1. Carlton
2. Essendon

with outsiders being
3. Collingwood
4. Melbourne

What are these opportunities outside of football, and how can Carlton offer him these opportunities that no other club can???

 

[parrot]

It will either be the best scenario or Judd will go in the PSD.

Carlton: Pick 3 and Fevola For Judd.....

Keep dreaming. Carlton won't be trading pick #1 or Fev. But I guess it doesn't matter how many times Carlton say that, you'll still cling to your bitters hopes, which I understand. The real issue is that after pick #2, the Tiges have no-one on their list other than Delidio that the Weagles would want. Absolutely no-one. And that is the very sad reality, and why the Tiges didn't send anyone to Perth to negotiate a deal.

 

[parrot]

What are these opportunities outside of football, and how can Carlton offer him these opportunities that no other club can???

Are you that naive. Do you know about Pav's outside the salary cap property deal? The Freagles have been doing these deals under Demetriou's nose for several years. Ever wonder how the Weagles kept their players under the Salary Cap. That's your answer. BTW Nathan Brown has a similar outside-the-salary-cap property deal at the Tiges, developed after he sold out the Bulldogs.

 

[Sherminator.]

2. Carlton. Younger high talent list, pushing for top-8

Stop pumping Carlton up, all they do is disappoint you. They will lucky to finish 10th.

 

[marcmurphy3]

What are these opportunities outside of football, and how can Carlton offer him these opportunities that no other club can???

Investments and a place on the board of one of Pratt's company. Judd considers himself an intellectual so this would really appeal to him.

Pratt could give Judd anything he wants

 

[beaver fever]

Keep dreaming. Carlton won't be trading pick #1 or Fev. But I guess it doesn't matter how many times Carlton say that, you'll still cling to your bitters hopes, which I understand. The real issue is that after pick #2, the Tiges have no-one on their list other than Delidio that the Weagles would want. Absolutely no-one. And that is the very sad reality, and why the Tiges didn't send anyone to Perth to negotiate a deal.

Parrot, it seems you are Carlton now

 

[HBK619]

Keep dreaming. Carlton won't be trading pick #1 or Fev. But I guess it doesn't matter how many times Carlton say that, you'll still cling to your bitters hopes, which I understand. The real issue is that after pick #2, the Tiges have no-one on their list other than Delidio that the Weagles would want. Absolutely no-one. And that is the very sad reality, and why the Tiges didn't send anyone to Perth to negotiate a deal.

First of all Greg Miller is already in WA, so you are wrong there, so we don't need to send anyone there we already have the master there.

I said pick 3 not pick 1, frankly I am glad that you think Carlton won't trade Fev or those picks because it means we won't get pointless threads from you talking about it.

Who do you think Carlton have to barter with, Fev would be the only player, at least Richmond have Foley and Deledio, also we have Coughlan who WC showed huge interest in just a few years ago, who will Carlton give up, WIGGINS, BANNISTER, HOULIHAN, ACKLAND oh wait I forgot you ********s signed him up for 3 years, good move there.

Frankly I don't care whether or not we get Judd or not because Foley is our equivalent and I would rather us keep the faith with the bunch of kids we have played this year ie: McGuane, Thursfield, Connors, Edwards, Pattison, Riewoldt, Hughes getting more game time into Deledio and Tambling wont hurt either and a couple of good 'uns to come back from injury like Polo.

 

[HBK619]

Investments and a place on the board of one of Pratt's company. Judd considers himself an intellectual so this would really appeal to him.

Pratt could give Judd anything he wants

So could Eddie, lets not forget he owns the whole world, and I don't really think Judd will be thinking that far ahead in his career yet, he is only 24yo, if he can get and remain fit he could go for 10 more years, Dick will be dead by then

 

[parrot]

... also we have Coughlan who WC showed huge ...

A 26 year snail-pace midfiedlder coming back from a 3rd knee reco. I highly doubt they'd be interested even if he fell through to the PSD let alone trade. Foley is a good little battler, but not much more. Deledio is the only one on your list they'd consider for trade.

 

[beaver fever]

A 26 year snail-pace midfiedlder coming back from a 3rd knee reco. I highly doubt they'd be interested even if he fell through to the PSD let alone trade. Foley is a good little battler, but not much more. Deledio is the only one on your list they'd consider for trade.

2nd reco parrot, can you get anything right? So Foley is a good little battler, but let me guess: Simpson, Carrazzo, Walker are genuine potential elite midfielders with heaps of upside and lots of raw talent.

 

[parrot]

2nd reco parrot, can you get anything right? So Foley is a good little battler, but let me guess: Simpson, Carrazzo, Walker are genuine potential elite midfielders with heaps of upside and lots of raw talent.

I'm actually hoping Judd goes to the Tiges because they'll get pick #2 and use it on Morton, and we'll get pick Cotchin, effectively increasing our pick #3 to pick #2. The only problem is that the Tiges list is so pathetic, I find it hard to see how a deal could be done. Perhaps if you offer picks #2, plus the 2 second round picks plus a player of some sort.

 

[HBK619]

A 26 year snail-pace midfiedlder coming back from a 3rd knee reco. I highly doubt they'd be interested even if he fell through to the PSD let alone trade. Foley is a good little battler, but not much more. Deledio is the only one on your list they'd consider for trade.

As Beaver said it is Coughlan's second Reco, Foley is just a good battler who is 22yo and led the AFL in Clearances and running bounces, so there must be alot of battlers behind him 'ey?

Coughlan may not be the quickest person around but as players like Dane Swan and Matthew Priddis have shown is that you don't have to be super quick to be a good footballer anymore it is more about engine and how long you can go for, it is all well and good to be able to run 100m in 10.91sec but if you tire easy then you aren't going to be a good footballer.