Opinion Who is the greatest Richmond player of all time?

[Tigerlaird]

Ben Cousins or Jake King

Jake King

Age

40

Ht

178cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.0

4star

K

8.1

3star

HB

5.8

4star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.7

4star

No current season stats available

D

14.8

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

5.4

5star

T

2.2

4star

G

0.2

3star

 

[lumpinee]

KB was still terrorising defences at the ripe old age of 35 1/2
In the '82 GF, the campaigners had to move peak Harmes outta the centre onto a 35 yr old
playing in his 18th season to quell the threat that KB was becoming yet again,thats stunning,absolutely phenomenal that KB threatened to tear yet another final apart at the age he was that day,for the record he was easily our most dangerous fwd again with 3 goals 3 ,faaaarken legend

 

[tugga]

Jack Skinny Titus for me,

175cm tall 66Kg ringing wet kicked 970 goals for the tigers in 294 games at an average of 3.3 per game.

Recruited from Castlemaine in 1926 leading goal kicker at the club 11 times and selected in the Victorian state side 14 times.

Won our best and fairest in 1941.

Best described as a goal kicking power house who had the attributes of football intelligence, evasion, skillfulness and nimbleness that preceded by nearly 100 years modern players such as Kevin Bartlett and Shai Bolton.

.

Easily in the top 3 of all time. His numbers are insane.
And yet you were the first to mention him in 8 pages.

 

[Tygrys]

Amazed Jack Titus name is not included in this list. If you read his record it's pretty astounding (all 175cm of him). Easily the equal of most of the names nominated.

 

[Underarm]

Easily in the top 3 of all time. His numbers are insane.
And yet you were the first to mention him in 8 pages.

Titus was always in someone elses shadow.

Best player in his era was Jack
Best FF was Coventry and then Pratt - Titus only won 1 coleman.
Most games was quickly taken over by Jack
Most Roach medals - Even that's been usurped by Richo.

 

[Wallaby]

There's quite a few names that people miss because of recency bias.
Ron Branton played in the early 60s and won 3 straight B&Fs. Great player, shit team - not his fault.
The centreline of Geddes, Zschech, Judkins played in 4 straight GFs from 1931-1934 - they were every bit as famous as Bourke, Barrot, Clay in their day (and Stan Judkins won a Brownlow).
Neville crowe was our captain through the mid 60's. He was at least Nicholls equal - the 2 of them used to swap the state ruckman position between them. Crowe won 3 B&Fs, and, but for Nicholls taking a dive in the 1967 2nd SF, he would have captained our drought-breaking flag.

 

[tugga]

Titus was always in someone elses shadow.

Best player in his era was Jack
Best FF was Coventry and then Pratt - Titus only won 1 coleman.
Most games was quickly taken over by Jack
Most Roach medals - Even that's been usurped by Richo.

Fair points, but on plain numbers needs to be in the top 10 without even thinking about it.
The fact that he was even mentioned until late page 7 shows lots of recency bias.

 

[tugga]

There's quite a few names that people miss because of recency bias.
Ron Branton played in the early 60s and won 3 straight B&Fs. Great player, s**t team - not his fault.
The centreline of Geddes, Zschech, Judkins played in 4 straight GFs from 1931-1934 - they were every bit as famous as Bourke, Barrot, Clay in their day (and Stan Judkins won a Brownlow).
Neville crowe was our captain through the mid 60's. He was at least Nicholls equal - the 2 of them used to swap the state ruckman position between them. Crowe won 3 B&Fs, and, but for Nicholls taking a dive in the 1967 2nd SF, he would have captained our drought-breaking flag.

Dick Clay was something else.
Im a bit young to remember him, but know him personally.
Easily belongs in the conversation. He wouldn’t want it though.

 

[Serenitylater]

Rance the best
Richo severely underrated
KB my favorite

 

[chriso11]

Dusty most brilliant and at his peak the best. Dusty’s gone through a lot the last 3 years and it’s robbed him of a strong end to his career

 

[Tiges1229]

Relton Riberts easily

 

[Turka]

I’m turning 55, Dusty

 

[Growapair]

12th all time AFL leading goal scorer and record for most goals at the G enough to at least be in the conversation

Played in finals once in 15 years ... can't have been the greatest with that record

Jack Titus not in the conversation when he still holds the Club records for:

First Tiger to Kick 100 goals in a season
Most goals in finals - 74
Most goals - 970
Most grand finals
Most consecutive games

When he was retired at 35 he held all these records ... then went the following season and kicked 119 goals for Coburg


Most games (since broken)
Most finals games (since broken)
Most goalkicking awards (since broken)

 

[smasha]

I'd put Flea in the list.
Champion.
But Dusty.
KB was a phenomenal big game player.
Maurice Rioli had sublime talent.
Richo made us believe again,knee injuries stopped him from winning a flag,who knows in that '95 team with a fit Richo.

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

Fair points, but on plain numbers needs to be in the top 10 without even thinking about it.
The fact that he was even mentioned until late page 7 shows lots of recency bias.

Feck the so called "recency bias" as if it's deliberate and non-thinking!
It's more the case that exceptional players have come after Tit!
Two for example are the GOAT and Bartlett and have to be included and not simply from "recency bias"!
If these two came before Tit! They still would have been included...same goes for all the greats...modern or past!

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Dustin Martin holds the most decorated season in the history of the sport.

He is the undisputed greatest finals player of all time.

He holds the all comers all time record for both Brownlow and Coaches votes in a season.

Of any player to have played 2 or more Grand Finals, only the greatest Full Forward in history, John Coleman, has a slighter deficit when compared with opposition team goals scored.

Of any player in history to have played 3 or more Grand Finals Dusty is head and shoulders ahead. The Grand Final opponents(whole teams combined) he faced outscored him by only 2.66 goals per Grand Final.

Dusty has been Richmond's best voter in the Coaches MVP on 8 separate occasions. Historically, this would have resulted in a record 8 Jack Dyer Medals.

Dustin Martin is almost 20% ahead of any other player in offensive 1 v 1 contest wins since the stat commenced being recorded. He is likely further ahead of the second best player in this stat than the second best player is ahead of the 12th best player. Like, league of his own.

If any Richmond player has ever been better than Dustin Martin, it is someone we don't know much about. And that is highly unlikely.

 

[smasha]

Ask any old timer and the name that pops up is Royce Hart.

Hell,I'd put Jimmy "jumpin" Jess in that list.

Was a fan favourite.

If emotion attachment to a player is a requirement.

Most here never saw Dyer or Titus but if you are a student of Richmond and it's history,those names are legendary Tiger names.

Gees ,we had some fantastic players.

We really should be on more premierships!

KB dominated,rule change.
Richmond dominated,rule changes.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Ask any old timer and the name that crops up is Royce Hart.

Hell,I'd put Jimmy "jumpin" Jess in that list.

Was a fan favourite.

If emotion attachment to a player is a requirement.

Hart is the only Richmond player in my lifetime to match Dusty in one key indicator - was seen as the premier and most valuable player in the game across multiple seasons.

 

[smasha]

Flea was an amazing player for the Vics also.
In a star studded lineup ,he shined in those teams without the media accolades like the others got.

Those early teams with our mids streaming down the centre was something to behold.

The 80 and 82 periods.

Incredible teams.

 

[lumpinee]

Ask any old timer and the name that pops up is Royce Hart.

Hell,I'd put Jimmy "jumpin" Jess in that list.

Was a fan favourite.

If emotion attachment to a player is a requirement.

Most here never saw Dyer or Titus but if you are a student of Richmond and it's history,those names are legendary Tiger names.

Gees ,we had some fantastic players.

We really should be on more premierships!

KB dominated,rule change.
Richmond dominated,rule changes.

this why i believe KB stands alone ,the comp changed a rule bc of his smarts and dominance in the 70's
all other comp rule changes have been based around teams/clubs but KB i believe is the only player in history to have a rule implemented bc of his smarts ? be happy to be corrected

during 2nd qtr in '82 GF the Scum were forced to switch BOG @ the time Harmes outta the middle onto a rampaging 35 1/2 yr old KB down back who was threatining once again to tear the scum a new one,KB was once again our most dangerous fwd

 

[tugga]

Feck the so called "recency bias" as if it's deliberate and non-thinking!
It's more the case that exceptional players have come after Tit!
Two for example are the GOAT and Bartlett and have to be included and not simply from "recency bias"!
If these two came before Tit! They still would have been included...same goes for all the greats...modern or past!

UOKM8?

 

[Barunga Bullet]

tough question. Using my head, the greatest I've seen. Using my heart, my favourite as a kid, Richo.

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

UOKM8?

Yes, all good thank you tugga ...

 

[Growapair]

I'd put Flea in the list.
Champion.
But Dusty.
KB was a phenomenal big game player.
Maurice Rioli had sublime talent.
Richo made us believe again,knee injuries stopped him from winning a flag,who knows in that '95 team with a fit Richo.

Didn't even make the Finals with him in 96 ...

(and yes Walls for Northey blah blah) ... but if he was close to greatest player

I loved Richo but we where never going to win anything with a bloke that couldn't kick straight when he felt the pressure and was incapable of sharing the forward line with any other player.

What he did to Jay Schulz was disgusting ...

Richo ... not even our greatest forward let alone our greatest player

 

[Dr Tigris]

Hart is the only Richmond player in my lifetime to match Dusty in one key indicator - was seen as the premier and most valuable player in the game across multiple seasons.

Hart was amazing. Genuinely in the same class as Dusty. His knee injury robbed him of years of super performance. But even then he still made multiple defenders look like idiots.