Banter Who will be better in 2024? Carlton or Collingwood?

Who will be better in 2024?


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Mainly here so we can enjoy the LOLs afterwards at the end of 2023, but also an interesting discussion point.

I’m in genuine two minds and can’t call it, but who do you see finishing higher in 2023?

Who is positioned better from a list/team perspective?

Let the games begin…

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Really? What was Arrow's point if not that?

Or are you just going the personal attack again for the sake of it and the standard likes from your Carlton brethren?
The poster had previously stated Carltons list build was destined to fail due to the high number of traded in players. Pies have practically the same amount yet won the flag last year.

Arr0w was highlighting this fact and asking for an explanation from the poster of their analysis re list builds and ours given nobody would consider the Pies list a failure despite having a very high amount of traded in players.
 
The poster had previously stated Carltons list build was destined to fail due to the high number of traded in players. Pies have practically the same amount yet won the flag last year.

Arr0w was highlighting this fact and asking for an explanation from the poster of their analysis re list builds and ours given nobody would consider the Pies list a failure despite having a very high amount of traded in players.
The post Arr0w quoted mentioned nothing about traded in players.

If he had previously stated that sometime in the past, apologies for not being across every back and forth between every poster.

Nonetheless, there are traded in players who provide value to a team, and there are traded in players who don't.

I'll let you work out which club has been more successful with it's trade activity. (And Collingwood have had to be a LOT more successful with their trade activity, given the differential between access to high draft picks between the two clubs for obvious reasons).
 
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The poster had previously stated Carltons list build was destined to fail due to the high number of traded in players. Pies have practically the same amount yet won the flag last year.

Arr0w was highlighting this fact and asking for an explanation from the poster of their analysis re list builds and ours given nobody would consider the Pies list a failure despite having a very high amount of traded in players.

They troll so hard that they either forget or deflect from their so called "analytical" predictions

"Carlton's list build is a failure due to the high number of traded in players"

🤣
 
Cough, generational powerhouse
We're probably only behind Geelong this century in that regard, I've lost count of the top 4 finishes

Plenty of room on the B & W bandwagon if you want to jump on and add to your 8 glorious lifetime flags

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with a second club - who fell into a Preliminary Final in 2023 on the back of a 5th placed finish, their first finals appearance in a decade...
Carlton had to win 11 of their last 12 games of the season to make a preliminary final and that is classified as "falling in"...?
 
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Once again... Brisbane... Hawthorn... Richmond... Geelong... Actual powerhouses.
Geelong yes, Hawks maybe

The other two have spent a lot of time on low rungs this century and haven't won a lot of finals

The perennial contenders/powerhouses are Geelong, Collingwood, Sydney and (usually) West Coast

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The post Arr0w quoted mentioned nothing about traded in players.

If he had previously stated that sometime in the past, apologies for not being across every back and forth between every poster.

Nonetheless, there are traded in players who provide value to a team, and there are traded in players who don't.

I'll let you work out which club has been more successful with it's trade activity. (And Collingwood have had to be a LOT more successful with their trade activity, given the differential between access to high draft picks between the two clubs for obvious reasons).
Mate that's pathetic.
 
Geelong yes, Hawks maybe

The other two have spent a lot of time on low rungs this century and haven't won a lot of finals

The perennial contenders/powerhouses are Geelong, Collingwood, Sydney and (usually) West Coast

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4>2 still correct yeah? Pies can play as many finals as they want but at the end of the day they aren't close to the others
 
So we're doing maths are we?

Carlton are a generational powerhouse. They had a period of 25 odd years when kids were forced to play for them through the bodgey country zones, they made a bunch of grand finals where at least one player admitted to using PEDs multiple times, and won 7 flags. There was another one won with cheating on the salary cap after the "Sir Kenneth Luke Cheat Era".

If we delete known corruption, Carlton have 8 flags, Geelong territory. Who will finish higher, Geelong or the Cats?
 
So we're doing maths are we?

Carlton are a generational powerhouse. They had a period of 25 odd years when kids were forced to play for them through the bodgey country zones, they made a bunch of grand finals where at least one player admitted to using PEDs multiple times, and won 7 flags. There was another one won with cheating on the salary cap after the "Sir Kenneth Luke Cheat Era".

If we delete known corruption, Carlton have 8 flags, Geelong territory. Who will finish higher, Geelong or the Cats?
This fascination of some Pies fans to try and discredit premierships from the 80s is insane. Acting like Carlton was the only team in the league to benefit from zones and the lack of a salary cap prior to 87'.

Anyway, can we move on and get back to 2024
 
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So we're doing maths are we?

Carlton are a generational powerhouse. They had a period of 25 odd years when kids were forced to play for them through the bodgey country zones, they made a bunch of grand finals where at least one player admitted to using PEDs multiple times, and won 7 flags. There was another one won with cheating on the salary cap after the "Sir Kenneth Luke Cheat Era".

If we delete known corruption, Carlton have 8 flags, Geelong territory. Who will finish higher, Geelong or the Cats?
What a heap of rubbish, lets add the VFA flags, Carlton 22=Pies17.
 
Are posters really struggling to get there heads around, or questioning, what constitutes a 'generation', in any context?

Oh my....

Everyone is clear fadge, the so called powerhouse of the Pies have 3 flags in 65 years

They sit well behind Carlton, Cats, Hawks, Tigers, Eagles, Essendon, North, Lions during that timeframe

Oh my

But, this is 2024, where there are a number of clubs that can win a flag
 
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