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Who will be better in 2025? Hawthorn or Collingwood?
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No I’m just adding context to the other dudes point, not that I understand it at all.
His highlight is pre season, IYKYK.
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lol fair. I should have checked who I was responding to.
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Idk the point or even what the argument was about, I should’ve probably read it
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To be honest, this whole thread is bizarre to me. Hawthorn and Collingwood are in totally different demographics for their team and their goals. Pies are in win now, have the list for it and are recent premiers who had a dip in form in their b2b year. Hawks are a really young team embracing a new culture and are adding side pieces to bolster. They should aim to make finals again but top 4 is certainly not a realistic goal.Idk the point or even what the argument was about, I should’ve probably read it
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Season is so even. Never say never
The Hawks were playing as good a brand of footy as any other team over the last half of 2024.
They are one of a number of teams who should absolutely be targeting a top 4 finish in 2025.
It's going to be a very competitive season.
Let me get this straight
Pies miss finals, but top 4/premiers is realistic (for which i agree)
Hawks Finish Top 6, add two Above Average/ A Grade Key Defenders and a movement of 1 more win is not realistic
Math aint mathing
Top 4 not realistic? Are you high?
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You mean the day the he put little Nicky in his pocket and wouldn’t let him out?
The day that ****ed with McRae’s head so much that he spent most of the lead up to their must win game(that they lost) in 2024 trying to plan around whether Finn would let Nick get a kick or not.
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Sophmore blues are coming to the hawks. Happy to be proven wrong, but as soon as the form drops the pressure will likely crush this young team. I do not think there are enough veteran players to steady the boat. Sicily isn't a great leader either tbh.
I’d somewhat agree and disagree.
Collingwood are all in for the now and if they don’t win soon probably won’t compete without a massive list turnover in the next few seasons.
Good core with Daicos (Nick and Josh), Perryman, Quaynor, Hill, De Goey, Maynard, Houston and maybe Moore/McStay. Of top line talent and players between (Nicks age at about 21 and Moore who is 29.)
These players are key for Collingwood as are the depth players and the experience for 2025, however beyond that this core will be the key. It’s quite a prime aged or older core however hence why they’re all in now.
There’s still a fair few I didn’t mention who are good players but a little older like Elliott, Sidebottom, Crisp etc
Or the youth, Allan, McCreery, Jiath, Harrison, Long.
Hawthorn on the other hand, you say top 4 isn’t realistic but if you look at the teams best 22 and depth it’s the age demographic of a side building into a serious run of contention, the core is quite young or genuinely in the middle of their primes and have only added more talent over the off-season.
The difference is all in v being in but having enough chips to do it for multiple rounds (years/seasons).
The core Hawthorn have with
Day, Newcombe, Mackenzie, Dear, Watson, Ginnivan, MacDonald, Weddle, D’Ambrosio. Who are the younger lot. You’ve still got prime aged talent and players in their late 20s or very early 30s.
Worpel, Moore, Hardwick, Lewis, Battle, Meek, Scrimshaw, Jiath - PA
Sicily, Barrass, Chol, Breust, Chol
Quite a few in different brackets, still a fair few not named who are going to be apart of these brackets of (experienced depth like Gunston) or talent coming through (McCabe/Ward - examples).
I have Hawthorn and Collingwood being a similar mark in 2025 but I don’t think beyond that Collingwood are going to be similar at all unless list changes are made otherwise, in a mini rebuild or a Geelong mould of go again, and again.
Don’t think Collingwood have the youth to sustain a run at it = all in.
Hawthorn have the team to contend now but also have enough talent in different age brackets especially core talent being 26 and under = contending but continuous.
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Sophomore blues for a side in their 100 season, with an average age of 24 and a half.
Is it school holidays?
And then we went in with Finn as the Sub anyway. Hilarious stuff.
Has Finn received coaches votes in any other game than the one he kept a second year player quiet, whilst only getting 6 possessions himself?
That day screwed with McRae and Collingwood so much that they..... went on to win the premiership.
Interesting you don’t think Sicily is a good leader, can I ask why?
But there is quite a bit of experience.
Gunston and Breust the very top of that although unsure how much game time v sub time they get.
Sicily obviously, Barrass another, Impey/Amon aswell as Hardwick.
Frost too.
Then Lewis, Battle.
Dylan Moore.
There’s also quite a few of the leaders being younger, Newcombe and Day are very important pieces leadership wise as is Nick Daicos for Collingwood.
“Second year player” acting like he wasn’t one of the best in the competition
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Sicily always was and always will be a flog. Too much of a hothead to be a good captain and is not a calming presence in big games. Not enough experience in big close games either for what the Hawks are wanting to do this year. Compare that to the veteran presence of multiple premiership players, GOAT pies player pendles, ect its not really the same or even close.
Gunston is a wash, his on field leadership isnt there, and Breust is good at helping the forwards but in a big game his leadership in negligible because hes off the field.
Pies went on a historic streak of winning clutch games for a reason.
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Just stop. You know barely anything about football and even less about the Hawthorn Football Club.
Gunston is an excellent leader, and is one of the current players (at any club) most likely to take up a coaching role after retiring from playing.
Indeed, he's already helping out with the Hawks AFLW side.
He's the number 1 reason that Calsher Dear came on as quickly as he did.
Hodge was arguably a flog on field but one of the best captains of all time? Sicily often last year was a big reason in a win, you go to games and he controls the defense, can go forward and win games and has shown to lead by example, what you’re saying was right but I don’t seriously believe that is him anymore, he hasn’t consistently been like that for a while now.
Collingwood have more experience because they’re older. Hawthorn experienced finals, and a massive chunk of big games, big crowds and big wins/tight wins and even tight losses to learn and adapt from.
The amount of leadership from the prime aged players and youth is what’s driving this side and it’s being guided by premiership players with Gunston and Breust, and plenty of experience from within and outside the club (Barrass, Impey, Amon, Battle. Sicily, Scrimshaw, Hardwick, Lewis, Moore etc).
Gunston has been in the best nick I’ve seen for a long time, performed pretty well last year, same for Breust who’s been getting over a groin niggle. Both are huge for their premiership experience and leadership. You can’t downplay that and up play Sidebottom & Pendlebury. Breust is one of the most well accomplished Hawks and small forwards OAT and Gunston is a premiership powerhouse of experience. He’s my shout for a coaching gig post career.
They did, Hawthorn also won close games late in the year. Losing some but getting experience for it.
Close losses: Port (3) - GWS (2) - Port (1) - Collingwood (5).
Close wins: Dogs (7) - Saints (5) - Giants (6) - Freo (13) (after kicking away in the last 5 mins).
The showcase of a good side is punishing teams where possible. Whether a poor side, side not performing or a day where you’re on.
Hawthorn did this consistently late in the year wins against top 8 sides and poor sides with big margins.
Beating
North by 124
Richmond by 63
West Coast by 61
Carlton by 74
Adelaide by 66
Collingwood by 66
Dogs in a final by 37.
Scores in these games were
94
99 (second lowest score and done in a final)
112
124
131
133
170
And defensively
33
38
46
58
62
67
68
The group has just added more experience, quality talent, growth and development from pre-existing talent and filled holes that were obvious (KPP)
Defensively the group was strong in 2024 and adds more firepower, strength and depth.
Midfield grows with the youth (Mackenzie for example who is likely to break out)
Forwardline group of smalls is one of the better crops in the comp and despite injured KPP there’s plenty of options for filling it with depth.
The depth of the group will test selectors and this is what Cornes previously said.
So I don’t get your points at all about a lack in experience and leadership, or anyone else’s points of star power or depth.
The talent is present it’s all above the shoulders.
You lack any real ability to analyse anything with a modicum of maturity or reason
Also from a grammatical perspective “in negligible” is not a word, maybe proof reading would help your posts
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Lucky we got ginnivan then
Being an uneducated troll is as well
Go read a book
Get some perspective on life outside of making a football team your personality
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