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I don't think the Kushner plan is intended to be a meaningful plan to settle the Palestine Question. But, I do agree that the Palestinians blew their chances for a Palestinian state a long time ago. My belief, as stated earlier today, is that the Palestinians will now dwindle into insignificance in the minds of the other Middle Eastern countries and leaders and Palestine as a concept will be extinguished in the next decade.
 
sdfc said:
Yeah right. The offer was some desert in return for prime WB land. The Israelis have since moved on to claiming more WB land including the Jordan Valley.
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And of course most of what is now Israel was worthless desert before the Zionist pioneers made it productive farmland. The Palestinians could do the same if they beat their swords into ploughshares.
 

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You do realise that supporting the Palestinian groups without qualification taints the memory of their victims such as Leon Klinghoffer. This is Not the seventies anymore and it is ok to admit that from the river to the sea, Palestine shall be free has always intended to mean the physical destruction of Israel and the murder of its Jewish inhabitants.
 
In 1993, when the Oslo Accords were signed, the Israeli Peace Now movement was able to mount demonstrations of over 100,000 people in favour of a two-state solution to the Israel-Palestine conflict. Opinion polls showed majority support for a peace settlement that involved territorial concessions to the Palestinians.
The "peace process" begun at Oslo culminated in the July 2000 Camp David summit, when Bill Clinton and Ehud Barak offered Yasser Arafat a settlement that would have created a Palestinian state. Arafat rejected the agreement. In December the Palestinians launched the second "intifada" (uprising), a four-year campaign of suicide bombings targeting Israeli civilians. Over 1,000 Israelis were killed (as well as at least one Australian). 70% of Israelis killed were civilians and 10% were children. The bombing of the Dolphinarium Disco in Tel Aviv, 20 years ago, killed 21 people, most of them teenaged girls. This was an incident typical of a campaign which focussed on killing civilians in soft targets such as buses, restaurants and discos.
The Israeli response to this campaign was predictably fierce. Over 4,700 Palestinians were killed during retaliatory Israeli military operations. Since in a terrorist campaign there is no clear distinction between military and civilians (many of the Palestinian suicide bombers were teenagers), it is impossible to say how many of these were non-combatants, although some no doubt were. Another 500 Palestinians were executed by Palestinian militias as alleged "collaborators."
The other major Israeli response was preventive: the construction of the security barrier separating Israelis and Palestinians and the imposition of a much more severe separation regime in the West Bank. These tactics successfully choked off the access routes to Israeli cities and saved many Israeli (and Palestinian) lives. Those who now orate about "Israeli apartheid" should recall why this situation came about.
Politically, the effect of the 2000-04 intifada was to kill the Israeli peace movement and drive Israeli politics sharply to the right. Barak was the last Israeli Labor Prime Minister. In the 1999 direct prime ministerial election, Barak defeated Binyamin Netanyahu by 56% to 44%. In 2001, Ariel Sharon defeated Barak by 62% to 37%. The Israeli left has never recovered. The Peace Now movement still exists, but now can only turn out a few thousand people at its rallies.
Most Israelis still want peace with the Palestinians, but they no longer believe in making any concessions to them unless the Palestinians are ready to admit defeat in their long campaign to destroy Israel. When Sharon changed his mind about concessions and withdrew from Gaza in 2005, the result was that Hamas seized control of the territory and used Gaza as a base to fire rockets at Israeli cities. Every Hamas rocket reminds Israelis of the reason why they oppose any further concessions.
Viewed in the longer perspective, the 2000-04 intifada was typical of the self-defeating tactics the Palestinians and their sometime allies in the Arab states, Iran and the former Soviet bloc have followed for over a century. In that time they have rejected every proposed territorial settlement that would have required them to accept the permanent and legitimate existence of a Jewish state in the shared territory of Mandate Palestine. Instead they have repeatedly resorted to wars, riots, intifadas and terrorism. Every time they have done so, they have been defeated. Each defeat has made their situation worse, and has reduced the likelihood of a Palestinian state ever being created.
I can't think of another people who have allowed themselves to be led into repeated disastrous (and completely predictable) defeats by three such catastrophic leaders as Amin al-Husseyni, Yasser Arafat and Mahmoud Abbas. No wonder Abbas is afraid of facing the Palestinian voters at an election.
But the real question here is for my friends in the left. (If you are still reading this, congratulations.) How much longer will self-styled "friends of the Palestinians" go on encouraging the failed tactics of "resistance" and "armed struggle" and echoing the futile rhetoric of "liberating Palestine" "from the river to the sea" ? These tactics and this rhetoric have brought the Palestinians nothing but defeat and disaster for over a century. With Israel now wealthier and more powerful than ever, despite its dysfunctional politics, there's no reason to suppose that these tactics will be any more successful in the future. A genuine friend of the Palestinians would be telling them to come to a settlement with Israel, on whatever terms Israel is willing to offer, while a settlement is still to be had, because that may not be even theoretically possible for much longer.
 
kergulen said:
You do realise that supporting the Palestinian groups without qualification taints the memory of their victims such as Leon Klinghoffer. This is Not the seventies anymore and it is ok to admit that from the river to the sea, Palestine shall be free has always intended to mean the physical destruction of Israel and the murder of its Jewish inhabitants.
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There are victims on both sides. The question is, should the Palestinians have a chance at autonomy, live on reservations forever or be ethnically cleansed?

You obviously don't favour the first.
 
kergulen said:
I favour autonomy I just realise that a possibly long probationary period of limited sovereignty, immediate and permanent disarmament of all Palestinian armed groups etc is also needed in a Final Settlement.
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What are the Israelis doing to facilitate that?
 
Every rocket, every bomb, every stone, weakens support among the Israeli Jews for unilateral concessions. I think we both know that. People in Gaza have every right to be angry but they know it is not safe to be angry at the real cause of the blockade in Hamas as Hamas would soon change them… from being alive people to being dead people.
 
kergulen said:
I can't think of another people who have allowed themselves to be led into repeated disastrous (and completely predictable) defeats
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LOL.
The Zionists have been leading the rest of the Jews into repeated disastrous defeats for more than a thousand years. Everywhere they've been for more than a thousand years they've been kicked out on their arse. Everywhere. For more than a thousand years.

What sort of Jew would even consider supporting the Zionist c*nts when history tells them, in no uncertain terms, that it NEVER ends well for them.
 

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our friends on the left give black and brown people of the past who did sh**tty things a pass even though they don’t deserve it. South American people and human sacrifice, I’m looking at you…

Sorry, my bitterness at life is how I channel my frustration at being crippled/handicapped. Not anyone’s fault.
 
Julian Burnside knows more about the Holocaust than Josh Frydenberg, says Burnside's wife. Since Frydenberg's family experienced it first-hand, I think that's highly unlikely. But if it is true, it makes Burnside's original comment all the more indefensible. And apparently for Ms Durham "just a Hungarian" is an acceptable slur against someone born in Australia of a Jewish-Hungarian mother.
 
Number37 said:
How long before Israel is officially declared a Nazi state?
10 years IMO.
Not long after we will see a conga line of Zionist c*nts front The Hague for crimes against humanity.
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The Israelis are far from perfect but the Palestinian leadership are the ones who have proudly called for genocide and get rich and buy more arms using money meant to help their people.
A two state solution is needed with the Palestinian leaders who support violence jailed and the foreign powers who encouraged the violent Palestinian terror groups behaviour helping to fund the new state and paying compensation to Israel (and to Jordan and Lebanon who have also suffered as a result of the Palestinian leaders lust for power and violence.)

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Number37 said:
LOL.
The Zionists have been leading the rest of the Jews into repeated disastrous defeats for more than a thousand years. Everywhere they've been for more than a thousand years they've been kicked out on their arse. Everywhere. For more than a thousand years.
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For a thousand years? Zionists?

What rubbish.

Are you suggesting David Alroy for example was a "Zionist? Why not go back further and call Moses a Zionist? Why not Zerubbabel, Ezra and Nehemiah?
 
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Rob R said:
The Israelis are far from perfect but the Palestinian leadership are the ones who have proudly called for genocide and get rich and buy more arms using money meant to help their people.
A two state solution is needed with the Palestinian leaders who support violence jailed and the foreign powers who encouraged the violent Palestinian terror groups behaviour helping to fund the new state and paying compensation to Israel (and to Jordan and Lebanon who have also suffered as a result of the Palestinian leaders lust for power and violence.)

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Like I said, no wonder Abbas is afraid to face the Palestinian people at free and fair elections.
 
we know the Arab Palestinian dictatorship openly advocates mass murder of Jewish inhabitants of all of what was Mandatory Palestine. Even Abbas has said the future Palestinian state will be Judenfrei. Oh, and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is widely distributed and published in the Arab-Islamic world.

if you want to do a damn silly thing as deny that the Arab political attitude towards Israel is based on hatred of the People of the Book (Christians and Jews) then don’t do it in this damn silly way.
 
Rob R said:
The Israelis are far from perfect but the Palestinian leadership are the ones who have proudly called for genocide and get rich and buy more arms using money meant to help their people.
A two state solution is needed with the Palestinian leaders who support violence jailed and the foreign powers who encouraged the violent Palestinian terror groups behaviour helping to fund the new state and paying compensation to Israel (and to Jordan and Lebanon who have also suffered as a result of the Palestinian leaders lust for power and violence.)

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5 corrupt Israeli PM's, one after the other, corrupt.
Money. Power. The driving force behind Zionism for more than a thousand years.
Zionists don't give a F about their own people, they only care about money and power.
Zionists have been using the suffering of their own people to line their pockets.
In their quest for money and power the Zionists have corrupted everyone and everything in the Israeli govt, from the top down.
Israel will NEVER be free of corruption, it is ingrained in Zionism. Zionists cannot function without corruption.
 
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