Why do some players bulk up so quickly?

[Schism]

I managed to gain 16kg in 18 weeks at my first stint of weight training using nothing more than protein supplements.

Probably 4 kilos of it was muscle, if that

 

[greennick]

Its Ember's latino cousin

Bwahahahahaha, gold.

 

[BWST]

Personally I wouldnt tell a kid to even worry about resistance training until 14/15, depending on their level of sport.

Its enough that the little mongrels just run around and be active. If they are doing that at 14/15 then they should have a good base to work from. If they want to take their sport to the next level, then that is a good time for them to start weight training. Hopefully by then their joints/ ligaments can take the stress associated with weights.

Some kids mature more than others. I'm 38, have lifted weights since my late teens. Do ya think i wouldn't lead my daughter astray.

Under careful guidance, resistance training is one of the best things a human can do.

Believe me, it adds extra muscle to your skeleton. It also helps in burning fat, the more lean muscle the body has, the more it has to be fueled up.

Resistance training can add weight, but its usually heavy muscle. I recommend it.

 

[FuManchu]

Some kids mature more than others. I'm 38, have lifted weights since my late teens. Do ya think i wouldn't lead my daughter astray.

Under careful guidance, resistance training is one of the best things a human can do.

Believe me, it adds extra muscle to your skeleton. It also helps in burning fat, the more lean muscle the body has, the more it has to be fueled up.

Resistance training can add weight, but its usually heavy muscle. I recommend it.

as I said , its a choice thing, but when you see some of the life long soft tissue injuries from ligament damage, you tend to err on the side of caution.

I just feel kids really have no need for strength training until they make a choice to pursue a sport at a higher level. Until then, its enough to see them just being active and involved in sport.

And know the benefits of weight training. Having arthritic complaints since my early 20's, resistance training was the most effective pain killer I found. At 45, I can run rings around most half my age in strength and stamina.

 

[Happy Daze]

Very surprised none of the steroid munchers on here have mentioned the 'thing' that came into munching circles about a decade or so ago that is absolutely guaranteed to build body mass, no matter what body type or metabolism, etc.

That is altering the body's insulin levels. An extremely, extremely dangerous practice but one which has nevertheless entered into by some f***wits in the munching world.

By the way, there was some absolute tripe posted at several points on this thread.

 

[FuManchu]

Very surprised none of the steroid munchers on here have mentioned the 'thing' that came into munching circles about a decade or so ago that is absolutely guaranteed to build body mass, no matter what body type or metabolism, etc.

That is altering the body's insulin levels. An extremely, extremely dangerous practice but one which has nevertheless entered into by some f***wits in the munching world.

By the way, there was some absolute tripe posted at several points on this thread.

the problem with raising and lowering insulin levels is to know when to raise and when to lower within the cycle of the day.

if you train at night you want to raise the levels, but you dont want to raise the levels before going to bed.

I just feel there are more severe immediate health concerns with insulin if you get it wrong such as hypos and hyper comas. can you tell which one is which?

 

[Schism]

Very surprised none of the steroid munchers on here have mentioned the 'thing' that came into munching circles about a decade or so ago that is absolutely guaranteed to build body mass, no matter what body type or metabolism, etc.

That is altering the body's insulin levels. An extremely, extremely dangerous practice but one which has nevertheless entered into by some f***wits in the munching world.

By the way, there was some absolute tripe posted at several points on this thread.

I mentioned insulin earlier in the thread.

 

[Happy Daze]

the problem with raising and lowering insulin levels is to know when to raise and when to lower within the cycle of the day.

if you train at night you want to raise the levels, but you dont want to raise the levels before going to bed.

I just feel there are more severe immediate health concerns with insulin if you get it wrong such as hypos and hyper comas. can you tell which one is which?

Are you asking me a question? If the question is about insulin usage all I know is that it will bulk you up and also **** you for the rest of your life. If you play around with it you'll make yourself a diabetic, effectively. There are 'natural' ways to do this which you touch on in your post, but the only guaranteed way of doing it is by doing it with insulin itself and thus damaging yourself permanently. You better believe there are people out there who do it.

By the way, I did know a gentleman interviewed for this[\url] program and I knew some athletics coaches from the Institute who were full of wild stories about performance enhancing drugs that they shared over several tins of ale.

 

[burto]

hard training, diet, sleep, supplements. in that order.

not difficult to increase your mass by 10% in a few months by doing this and being dedicated.

 

[FuManchu]

Are you asking me a question? If the question is about insulin usage all I know is that it will bulk you up and also **** you for the rest of your life. If you play around with it you'll make yourself a diabetic, effectively. There are 'natural' ways to do this which you touch on in your post, but the only guaranteed way of doing it is by doing it with insulin itself and thus damaging yourself permanently. You better believe there are people out there who do it.

By the way, I did know a gentleman interviewed for this[\url] program and I knew some athletics coaches from the Institute who were full of wild stories about performance enhancing drugs that they shared over several tins of ale.

you hear stories all the time.

I heard a ripper about a particular NRL team that approached someone regarding supply of various things. You just dont know tho, do you? Its not like bodybuilders to talk up a story is it?

And then you hear that 75% of any Track and field team is using. hard to say really, I have suspicions about some, some I dont.

 

[BWST]

as I said , its a choice thing, but when you see some of the life long soft tissue injuries from ligament damage, you tend to err on the side of caution.

Your err on the side of caution is correct.

But ligament and soft tissue damage comes from bad training. Not to mention bone damage. Arthritis is a shoe in with this.

I recommend very light resistance training, with supplements. Such as Calcium, and Omega 3.

Resistance training should be stepped up, within the athletes comfort. Good form is a must.

Bringing bigger muscle groups into helping smaller, is not on the agenda. That belongs to Body Builders and Power Lifters.

 

[Happy Daze]

I mentioned insulin earlier in the thread.

As in taking insulin to bulk up? I do apologise then.

HGH doesn't do anything for you unless you take it before your bones are fused. For boys/men this is typically around 16 years; taking it after this age rather defeats the point. It will grow your jaw however - check out Marion Jones lower mandible and you can see what she has been on during her athletics career.

There was a bloke who was on HGH from a young age who was pushed well beyond his genetic growth potential. This fellow ended up in Long Bay Jail in Sydney and it took 9 prison guards to hold him down when he went off. He was about 6 foot 8 and the size of a small car, however.

There are questions over the long-term effects on the brain of taking substances like HGH.

If you wanted a team of players the size of Saverio Rocca/Wayne Carey with the temper of Robbie Muir, dosing up your under 8's with HGH would be the way to go.

 

[Schism]

As in taking insulin to bulk up? I do apologise then.

HGH doesn't do anything for you unless you take it before your bones are fused. For boys/men this is typically around 16 years; taking it after this age rather defeats the point. It will grow your jaw however - check out Marion Jones lower mandible and you can see what she has been on during her athletics career.

There was a bloke who was on HGH from a young age who was pushed well beyond his genetic growth potential. This fellow ended up in Long Bay Jail in Sydney and it took 9 prison guards to hold him down when he went off. He was about 6 foot 8 and the size of a small car, however.

There are questions over the long-term effects on the brain of taking substances like HGH.

If you wanted a team of players the size of Saverio Rocca/Wayne Carey with the temper of Robbie Muir, dosing up your under 8's with HGH would be the way to go.

yeah i mentioned coleman and cutler specifically with regards to insulin. I know guys whose hands have gotten bigger as well as their jaws, from HGH, or so they claim, and having known them for a while it looks real.

Really, guys get on HGH for its fat burning potential i think, rather than bulking. True what you said though, there are people out there that can and will do anything in the search for more mass.

 

[FuManchu]

Your err on the side of caution is correct.

But ligament and soft tissue damage comes from bad training. Not to mention bone damage. Arthritis is a shoe in with this.

I recommend very light resistance training, with supplements. Such as Calcium, and Omega 3.

Resistance training should be stepped up, within the athletes comfort. Good form is a must.

Bringing bigger muscle groups into helping smaller, is not on the agenda. That belongs to Body Builders and Power Lifters.

true, correct lifting technique is the key. I always say lose hands are all you need on certain routines. Mix it up between hi reps/lo weight combos and vice versa every other session. Concentrate on building a inner muscle core before going heavy, change the routine every 3 to 4 weeks. small things like that.

 

[FuManchu]

yeah i mentioned coleman and cutler specifically with regards to insulin. I know guys whose hands have gotten bigger as well as their jaws, from HGH, or so they claim, and having known them for a while it looks real.

Really, guys get on HGH for its fat burning potential i think, rather than bulking. True what you said though, there are people out there that can and will do anything in the search for more mass.

and their skulls

shall I mention someones name who retired recently?

 

[Happy Daze]

you hear stories all the time.

I heard a ripper about a particular NRL team that approached someone regarding supply of various things. You just dont know tho, do you? Its not like bodybuilders to talk up a story is it?

And then you hear that 75% of any Track and field team is using. hard to say really, I have suspicions about some, some I dont.

The bloke I knew was a legit steroid user; if you saw the size of him you would only have to agree. He also got his Missus at one stage on it, she was a body 'sculptor' and won the Aussie amateur title. Because in women it amplifies male characterisitics, he told me her clitoris grew to enormous size, at least several inches in length.

In men, the overload of testosterone can bring about a reaction from the body such that it produces female hormones to counteract the male hormones. There is thus the famous example (which actually happened), where one of Ben Johnson's pecs started to outgrow the other and take on a female breast shape. Johnson at one stage also apparently lactated. Johson was the gentleman who won the gold at Seoul in 1988 before he tested positive for steroids.

 

[FuManchu]

The bloke I knew was a legit steroid user; if you saw the size of him you would only have to agree. He also got his Missus at one stage on it, she was a body 'sculptor' and won the Aussie amateur title. Because in women it amplifies male characterisitics, he told me her clitoris grew to enormous size, at least several inches in length.

In men, the overload of testosterone can bring about a reaction from the body such that it produces female hormones to counteract the male hormones. There is thus the famous example (which actually happened), where one of Ben Johnson's pecs started to outgrow the other and take on a female breast shape. Johnson at one stage also apparently lactated. Johson was the gentleman who won the gold at Seoul in 1988 before he tested positive for steroids.

Dont worry, I remember watching benny burn up the track in the middle of the 1988 GF

 

[Schism]

true, correct lifting technique is the key. I always say lose hands are all you need on certain routines. Mix it up between hi reps/lo weight combos and vice versa every other session. Concentrate on building a inner muscle core before going heavy, change the routine every 3 to 4 weeks. small things like that.

I disagree with some of what you guys are saying. I've had a few injuries, including but not limited to a shattered elbow that required a couple ops(steel pins,tension wires etc), multiple knee injuries/ops and dislocated shoulders. I still train heavy as ever, on no supplements at all,except creatine once or twice over the last couple years. Everyone is different, but i think erring on the side of caution is not conducive to building muscle. However i'm not advocating training recklessly. Because of injuries i've only been able to train maybe 16 months in the last 4 years though, i'm sure that helps longevity.

Training 5-6 days a week for 20 years like someone said they have earlier in the thread is guaranteed serious ligament and joint injuries.

 

[FuManchu]

I disagree with some of what you guys are saying. I've had a few injuries, including but not limited to a shattered elbow that required a couple ops(steel pins,tension wires etc), multiple knee injuries/ops and dislocated shoulders. I still train heavy as ever, on no supplements at all,except creatine once or twice over the last couple years. Everyone is different, but i think erring on the side of caution is not conducive to building muscle. However i'm not advocating training recklessly. Because of injuries i've only been able to train maybe 16 months in the last 4 years though, i'm sure that helps longevity.

Training 5-6 days a week for 20 years like someone said they have earlier in the thread is guaranteed serious ligament and joint injuries.

I was talking about kids starting out training.

And it was me who trains 5/6 times a week, 45 mins a day. Trust me, when you go a few weeks without training and the arthritic pain slowly takes over, then any training is preferable. But in that training routine, I'm probably training only to a maximum of 80% of my best. At 45, there is no need to try and do what I was doing 15 years ago. I find that it is more a maintenance routine rather than a bulking routine. thats OK too, because I'm probably 8 kilos lighter than then and i can easliy do a 30 min cardio on the end of the weights.

 

[j flex roo]

I disagree with some of what you guys are saying. I've had a few injuries, including but not limited to a shattered elbow that required a couple ops(steel pins,tension wires etc), multiple knee injuries/ops and dislocated shoulders. I still train heavy as ever, on no supplements at all,except creatine once or twice over the last couple years. Everyone is different, but i think erring on the side of caution is not conducive to building muscle. However i'm not advocating training recklessly. Because of injuries i've only been able to train maybe 16 months in the last 4 years though, i'm sure that helps longevity.

Training 5-6 days a week for 20 years like someone said they have earlier in the thread is guaranteed serious ligament and joint injuries.

For sure.

I'm a keen lifter been doing it for 3 years or so. Only in the past 12 months have I started a 3-4 day a week routine with minimal sets and maximum weights, then every month or couple of months throwing in a fornight of light to medium weights to change it up, keep the body guessing. Since I've been doing the low reps/sets/heavy style I've gained shite loads of muscle and the strength is through the roof.

AFL players aren't suited for the roids anyway, too much endurance. Rugby players on the other hand are suspect. Dunno, maybe they're just trained really well but they're all huge lads.

 

[Schism]

I was talking about kids starting out training.

And it was me who trains 5/6 times a week, 45 mins a day. Trust me, when you go a few weeks without training and the arthritic pain slowly takes over, then any training is preferable. But in that training routine, I'm probably training only to a maximum of 80% of my best. At 45, there is no need to try and do what I was doing 15 years ago. I find that it is more a maintenance routine rather than a bulking routine. thats OK too, because I'm probably 8 kilos lighter than then and i can easliy do a 30 min cardio on the end of the weights.

Yeah i think this thread has diverged into 2 different topics. I'm talking more about mass building.

 

[FuManchu]

For sure.

I'm a keen lifter been doing it for 3 years or so. Only in the past 12 months have I started a 3-4 day a week routine with minimal sets and maximum weights, then every month or couple of months throwing in a fornight of light to medium weights to change it up, keep the body guessing. Since I've been doing the low reps/sets/heavy style I've gained shite loads of muscle and the strength is through the roof.

AFL players aren't suited for the roids anyway, too much endurance. Rugby players on the other hand are suspect. Dunno, maybe they're just trained really well but they're all huge lads.

RL is a different game in that the requirementsfor lateral movement are limited and therefore larger sprinting type bodies do well. The game is more suited to using the gear, but I'd suggest not all positions would need it.

there is less need for stamina it seems, so steroid use is probably more prevalent. (well, lets face it, its rampant in the game)

 

[j flex roo]

RL is a different game in that the requirementsfor lateral movement are limited and therefore larger sprinting type bodies do well. The game is more suited to using the gear, but I'd suggest not all positions would need it.

there is less need for stamina it seems, so steroid use is probably more prevalent. (well, lets face it, its rampant in the game)

Yeah, let's hope it aint too rampant. They'll all drop off in their 40s and 50s if they are. Evil drugs those roids.

Can't see the sense in it myself. I know a few munchers and it changes them. They turn into these big bloody animal unit men, more machine than human, grunting away for ages in the gym and some of them being p---ks to all the poor skinny or fat fellas trying to shape up. Dunno if putting on the mass is worth all that. Then again I might be generalising, but I only speak from what I've seen of it.

 

[Schism]

Yeah, let's hope it aint too rampant. They'll all drop off in their 40s and 50s if they are. Evil drugs those roids.

Can't see the sense in it myself. I know a few munchers and it changes them. They turn into these big bloody animal unit men, more machine than human, grunting away for ages in the gym and some of them being p---ks to all the poor skinny or fat fellas trying to shape up. Dunno if putting on the mass is worth all that. Then again I might be generalising, but I only speak from what I've seen of it.

Roids + an inherent small man syndrome is big trouble in little china

 

[Happy Daze]

Roids + an inherent small man syndrome is big trouble in little china

A sentence that pretty much sums up the roids issue.