Why do some players bulk up so quickly?

[Angry Dragon]

A good training program and good genetics. Nothing untoward if it is done well.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

I'm personally able to bulk up with the minimum of ease. It's something Is hould take better advantage of, but don't because I'm lazy. Early this year I put on 8kg in three months pretty much by accident. I bought a bench and pretty much did what I felt like about twice a week. No supplements.

I hurt my wrist (unrelated) and have dropped 6 of that, but the stretch marks on my arms show how quickly I was able to build it.

 

[j flex roo]

I'm personally able to bulk up with the minimum of ease. It's something Is hould take better advantage of, but don't because I'm lazy. Early this year I put on 8kg in three months pretty much by accident. I bought a bench and pretty much did what I felt like about twice a week. No supplements.

I hurt my wrist (unrelated) and have dropped 6 of that, but the stretch marks on my arms show how quickly I was able to build it.

Yeah I have a shite metabolism which means I have to work had to keep the fat from getting on but the muscle accumulates just as easy.

I too am lazy. That's why I like the real heavy/low reps stuff. Suits me fine!

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Yeah, that's me. I'm probably 15kg overweight, but at least building the muscle keeps things roughly in their correct places

 

[j flex roo]

Yeah, that's me. I'm probably 15kg overweight, but at least building the muscle keeps things roughly in their correct places

LoL I hear ya.

Nothing quite like the mack truck look.

 

[dmc333]

That's Christian Bale and the 5 months and 45kg between The Machinist and Batman Begins.

I wouldn't be questioning a player and 5-6 kg over a pre-season, I'd be wondering how the hell Bale did that.

 

[GoOsH]

Oh OK, so there are no drugs then that would help with endurance in AFL. Some guy on here who seemed to know a lot about it said so.
Other guys who seem to know about it don't reckon drugs would help at all with AFL.


Because really, the AFL players aren't really finely tuned athletes at all. I'm sure Justin Charles is the only PED cheat the sport has ever seen.
Collingwood doesn't get any benefit out of their altitude training bit either, they are only doing it for a tax write off.


I'm not making it up as I go along, like I say I don't know the specifics of what drugs are out there that could help an AFL footballer's performance. I'm merely musing on the claims that 'steroids would make you top heavy = not suited to AFL.' Look at the difference in all the players across the league in the last twenty years. These guys are power athletes who are borrowing from Olympic training methods. There aren't drugs in Olympic sports, how silly of me to even think of the possibility there might be drugs in AFL football.

I was refuting your claim of - 'take some EPO and hey presto', because it was a bunch of made up shit, and you and I know it, and was stating that EPO is probably a waste of time for guys that aren't super endurance athletes like the guys in the tour de france. Other than that I didn't say anything about what you said, but hey, keep pretending like I did, otherwise your rant is totally pointless

 

[Deadlifter]

coupled to other things it does, and hgh is legal mostly everywhere but OZ.....but i digress, some players are more ripped than others, i dont think its in there interests to be too muscly....cousins came back ripped to shreds

Throw a bit of IGF in there and even some testosterone suspension and there you go.

Honestly, we are talking about big dollar contracts, of course these guys are going to use performance enhancing drugs. Mostly undetectable, HGH and insulin is almost undetectable.

Does anyone really think these guys are any different to olympians, cyclists etc etc who I can safely say NEARLY ALL use PIED's

 

[Deadlifter]

Again..you've repeated what i said, in a more complex way

There are exceptions. Mariusz Pudzianowski is one, although to be fair, he is genetically superior to pretty much every human being that ever walked the planet.

Pudz is a freak. A hard trainer, a big eater and a big medicator too

 

[Deadlifter]

Partially correct - creatine, esentially, is a muscle cell volumiser. Monohydrate does not cause cramps and bloating in 99.5% of the population either. And i bet you many afl players use this because creatine is known to enhance power output, strength, and some reports also suggest endurance. High carbs does not bulk you up, carbs are essentially energy....yes your muscles use carbs in the form of glycogen, however it is protein which dictates their growth or atrophy. I dont think there are that many players that are that built and ripped to cause a stir with steroid use, so i wouldnt start pointing fingers- most look el-natural, they simply dont have THAT much muscle on their frames to warrant steroid claims.

Good points. In regards to the carbs, they will play a huge part in bulking you up.

Lets not forget that the most potent muscle building hormone in the human body is insulin. More carbs= more insulin which potentially equals more muscle (and more fat too).

The other factor which you touched on is the increased muscle glycogen and water from high carb intake. More glycogen=more strength which in most cases leads to more muscle.

Protein is very important, but the bodybuilders i deal with often eat more protein when cutting as opposed to when bulking.

 

[dan warna]

Comes down to their frame and metabolic rate.

sometimes genetics.

I had a friend at Uni, without drugs, who could vary his weight but 15kgs in a short period of time through different types of exercise, to fight in different weight divisions.

his life was fitness, endurance and martial arts.

I also still have a friend who is quite lanky and despite spending months in the gym, he gets stronger but not bigger or bulkier.

 

[markr]

I was refuting your claim of - 'take some EPO and hey presto', because it was a bunch of made up shit, and you and I know it, and was stating that EPO is probably a waste of time for guys that aren't super endurance athletes like the guys in the tour de france. Other than that I didn't say anything about what you said, but hey, keep pretending like I did, otherwise your rant is totally pointless

Two points, the first is that EPO really does work incredibly well, a "friend of a friend" of mine who is a reasonable cyclist, but by no means elite, took part in some double blind trials when Australia was trying to develop a test for EPO prior to the 2000 games, and he said it was obvious when he was getting the EPO and not the placebo, because it was like he was turbo charged. Just made a massive difference.


The second points is that the top runners in the AFL absolutely are super endurance atheletes. Obviously not at the pure fitness level of a TdF rider or top marathon runner, but easily to the point where EPO would be valuable. Now say that because of your genetic makeup, regardless of of the work you put in you can't run with the gun midfielders in the comp, you're a super player, but not an athlete. The temptation of having a little something so you can run in the midfield must be massive. Particularly for fringe players.

 

[Schism]

Yeah right......you might be a puny wimp.....not me

Maybe i am a puny wimp!

have a nice day

 

[Schism]

Pudz is a freak. A hard trainer, a big eater and a big medicator too

All true, but his genetics can't be denied. Absolute animal

 

[The Knowledge]

I lifted weights as a skinny 18 year old. No drugs.......heaps of protein. Egg Whites with Skim Milk Powder. Chicken Breasts, Lean Steaks, So on.

As a 22 year old, i was 6 foot and 100 kilos. Not much fat. Imagine what a good coach and science can do now days.

Heavy weights, low repetitions. I got to a 150 kilo Bench Press. 200 kilo Squat. ( single )

I grew so fast i still have stretch marks around my chest and underarms.

It's not Rocket Science.

were you running everyday

its very hard to combine, building muscles and gaining cardio vascular fitness at the same time

HENCE
players build up in off season and cut down during the season proper

 

[Teh_Nub]

sometimes genetics.

I had a friend at Uni, without drugs, who could vary his weight but 15kgs in a short period of time through different types of exercise, to fight in different weight divisions.

his life was fitness, endurance and martial arts.

I also still have a friend who is quite lanky and despite spending months in the gym, he gets stronger but not bigger or bulkier.

It depends on if they train with hypertrophy in mind, you have to eat a lot and if you cant seem to gain weight by eating a bit then eat a whole lot more. Theres a site to help people. www.bodybuilding.com also they have a forum http://forum.bodybuilding.com/

 

[Mr Lizard]

I was refuting your claim of - 'take some EPO and hey presto', because it was a bunch of made up shit, and you and I know it, and was stating that EPO is probably a waste of time for guys that aren't super endurance athletes like the guys in the tour de france. Other than that I didn't say anything about what you said, but hey, keep pretending like I did, otherwise your rant is totally pointless

I'm no drug expert, I readily admit I don't know the facts. I'm merely hypothesising. Sorry if I was a little defensive, but it seemed you were basically telling me I am full of shit.

I have heard countless times throughout the year "steroids would not be that great for an AFL footballer, the extra size would lead to less endurance" and while I agree with this, I've never heard anyone explain why you couldn't just dope up with an endurance drug, getting the best of both worlds. Still haven't.

I did a few seconds of google on the subject, and find out that it isn't only 'endurance' athletes who have been busted for using it, world class sprinters have as well. This would lend weight to my theory. It may be true (as FuManchu I think it was said earlier) they were just on the crazy edge of experimentation, and it really had no benefit to them in the end, it may also be true that it gave them an edge. I don't know.

Two points, the first is that EPO really does work incredibly well, a "friend of a friend" of mine who is a reasonable cyclist, but by no means elite, took part in some double blind trials when Australia was trying to develop a test for EPO prior to the 2000 games, and he said it was obvious when he was getting the EPO and not the placebo, because it was like he was turbo charged. Just made a massive difference.


The second points is that the top runners in the AFL absolutely are super endurance atheletes. Obviously not at the pure fitness level of a TdF rider or top marathon runner, but easily to the point where EPO would be valuable. Now say that because of your genetic makeup, regardless of of the work you put in you can't run with the gun midfielders in the comp, you're a super player, but not an athlete. The temptation of having a little something so you can run in the midfield must be massive. Particularly for fringe players.

Added to which, it seems the AFL's slipshod testing regime doesn't actually test for EPO, meaning no penalty.
Just don't make it too obvious and hey presto ( just for you GoOsh)

 

[Schism]

It depends on if they train with hypertrophy in mind, you have to eat a lot and if you cant seem to gain weight by eating a bit then eat a whole lot more. Theres a site to help people. www.bodybuilding.com also they have a forum http://forum.bodybuilding.com/

Nothing personal, but bb.com is a garbage site. The douche bag to real deal ratio is astronomical.

www.muscletalk.co.uk

www.ironaddicts.com

they are the 2 best bodybuilding/powerlifting sites on the net,that i've found anyway.

 

[Teh_Nub]

Nothing personal, but bb.com is a garbage site. The douche bag to real deal ratio is astronomical.

www.muscletalk.co.uk

www.ironaddicts.com

they are the 2 best bodybuilding/powerlifting sites on the net,that i've found anyway.

AWWWW MY EYES!!!!

Lol the first one looks liek absolute crap, as in colours.

Whats wrong with Bodybuilding.com? Ive got a few mates who regular on it also i think its bigger then the ones you posted. Ive been on it a few times to and its been fine.

 

[Schism]

AWWWW MY EYES!!!!

Lol the first one looks liek absolute crap, as in colours.

Whats wrong with Bodybuilding.com? Ive got a few mates who regular on it also i think its bigger then the ones you posted. Ive been on it a few times to and its been fine.

Mate, if pretty colors and thousands of clueless members rings your bell, then by all means stick with bb.com

You will not find better advice and information on all the aspects of bodybuilding and powerlifting than what is available at the 2 sites i mentioned.

Like i said, nothing personal, i'm not having a go at you. I'm just providing an alternative to bb.com, people can take it or leave it

 

[Deadlifter]

agreed, bodybuilding.com is awful.

Bodyline Australia and even Anabolex (to a degree) has some great contibutors. Anabolex certainly has a multitude of morons making up the numbers too though

 

[neesun]

Why do alot of the female aussie swimmers have bigger backs and shoulders than half the powerlifters i know?Traps like ronnie coleman? When the chinese did it...outrage!!!Now our girls are 6 feet wide...never hear a peep from the media.

The sports drugs industry is always ahead of the doping agencies in everything. Steroids, hormones,masking agents,whatever. It's big money.

I don't think it's much of an issue in AFL. The players run too much and can't afford to be too top heavy.

Spot on. Agree 100% with your post. You would have to be living under a rock to think players in the AFL don't use testosterones and human growth hormones.

Speaking of Ronnie Coleman. I was watching a DVD of him when he was in Australia around 2005 yesterday. The guy is a beast, his wheels are cut up to the max, and his hamstrings are insane. Haha. Imagine him running around with a Sherrin!

 

[Lizzy B]

weights.

 

[Schism]

weights.

swish!

 

[j flex roo]

Speaking of Ronnie Coleman. I was watching a DVD of him when he was in Australia around 2005 yesterday. The guy is a beast, his wheels are cut up to the max, and his hamstrings are insane. Haha. Imagine him running around with a Sherrin!

Ol Ronnie can't run, he waddles.

I'd play him out of the goal square lol.

Aint nuddin but'a peanut!