Society/Culture Why I blame Islam for the fact it's raining today....

[Eighteen Seventy]

This barely made local news let alone national and international news. Horrific.

 

[Chief]

It's OK mate you're on it like a hero of the LGBTQI+ community.

 

[Malifice]

This barely made local news let alone national and international news. Horrific.

Why would a murder in Germany make the news in Australia?

 

[Wombot]

Why would a murder in Germany make the news in Australia?

If it was a Christian fundamentalist motivation, it might make the news in Australia.

 

[Chief]

Epic bump.

 

[demondavey]

I don’t blame Islam for anything. Nor do I blame Christianity for anything. I blame extremist religion for blindly leading the naive to a place of fantasy. There are extremes in all religious institutions which are dangerous and fanciful.

Religion is the reason the world is where it is and has had the problems and bloodshed it has had.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

I don’t blame Islam for anything. Nor do I blame Christianity for anything. I blame extremist religion for blindly leading the naive to a place of fantasy. There are extremes in all religious institutions which are dangerous and fanciful.

Religion is the reason the world is where it is and has had the problems and bloodshed it has had.

But not all religions are the same. When was the last time you heard about a Mormon suicide bomber? Their beliefs are ridiculous but for some reason they very rarely manifest in violence. Why is that?

We have to be able to identify bad ideas where they reside at the most fundamental level, as well as the ways they are promoted, taught and practiced, and consider why they might be expressed violently. It's not accurate to simply say "nah, it's all religion". Certainly, there is an irrationality that is common to various belief systems but this doesn't specifically identify the ideas that are more incompatible with Western liberal values than others, both fundamentally and in practice.

 

[FredLeDeux]

But not all religions are the same. When was the last time you heard about a Mormon suicide bomber? Their beliefs are ridiculous but for some reason they very rarely manifest in violence. Why is that?

We have to be able to identify bad ideas where they reside at the most fundamental level, as well as the ways they are promoted, taught and practiced, and consider why they might be expressed violently. It's not accurate to simply say "nah, it's all religion". Certainly, there is an irrationality that is common to various belief systems but this doesn't specifically identify the ideas that are more incompatible with Western liberal values than others, both fundamentally and in practice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism_and_violence#:~:text=Other Mormon leaders led the,War and Black Hawk War.

 

[demondavey]

But not all religions are the same. When was the last time you heard about a Mormon suicide bomber? Their beliefs are ridiculous but for some reason they very rarely manifest in violence. Why is that?

We have to be able to identify bad ideas where they reside at the most fundamental level, as well as the ways they are promoted, taught and practiced, and consider why they might be expressed violently. It's not accurate to simply say "nah, it's all religion". Certainly, there is an irrationality that is common to various belief systems but this doesn't specifically identify the ideas that are more incompatible with Western liberal values than others, both fundamentally and in practice.

Extremist religion, or so, extremist elements of religion and individuals with fanatical ideologies. That’s more where I was going.

 

[Deliverance]

Looks like our good work in Afghanistan is done. Mission accomplished John Howard.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

But not all religions are the same. When was the last time you heard about a Mormon suicide bomber? Their beliefs are ridiculous but for some reason they very rarely manifest in violence. Why is that?

We have to be able to identify bad ideas where they reside at the most fundamental level, as well as the ways they are promoted, taught and practiced, and consider why they might be expressed violently. It's not accurate to simply say "nah, it's all religion". Certainly, there is an irrationality that is common to various belief systems but this doesn't specifically identify the ideas that are more incompatible with Western liberal values than others, both fundamentally and in practice.

Imagine if they made a comedy play "The book of Islam "

 

[Mofra]

Imagine if they made a comedy play "The book of Islam "

I'm sure everyone will be fine with it.
Salman Rushdie got a few laughs with his book and everyone reacted in a totally rational manner.

 

[Deliverance]

I'm sure everyone will be fine with it.
Salman Rushdie got a few laughs with his book and everyone reacted in a totally rational manner.

I have vague memories of trying to read SVs when I was about 17 and most of it going over my head.

 

[Mofra]

I have vague memories of trying to read SVs when I was about 17 and most of it going over my head.

They aren't easy reads. I've only read The Satanic Verses and Midnight's Children and that was a while ago

 

[FredLeDeux]

They aren't easy reads. I've only read The Satanic Verses and Midnight's Children and that was a while ago

Midnight's Children was based on a good idea, but the publishers should have insisted that he hand it over to a decent writer

 

[Sweet Jesus]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism_and_violence#:~:text=Other Mormon leaders led the,War and Black Hawk War.

I think that makes my point.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Extremist religion, or so, extremist elements of religion and individuals with fanatical ideologies. That’s more where I was going.

This still seems like a deliberate attempt to ignore the differences between religions.

There are some belief systems that contain ideas - both fundamentally and in practice - that are more antithetical to western liberal values. It shouldn't be taboo to say that.

It's not accurate to remove these disinctions and condemn religion equally across the board.

 

[FredLeDeux]

I think that makes my point.

Correct, no Mormon suicide bombers.
Plenty of Mormon Killers.
But no Mormon suicide bombers.

 

[Madas]

I have vague memories of trying to read SVs when I was about 17 and most of it going over my head.

Ha ha me too
The whole devil character thing was hard to grasp

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Plenty of Mormon Killers.

When was that?

Midnight's Children was based on a good idea, but the publishers should have insisted that he hand it over to a decent writer

Look at this guy presuming to criticise Salman Rushdie's writing. That's rich.

 

[JackOutback]

All religions are extremist ideologies, it simply takes modern geopolitical and social factors to ramp the crazy up to violence.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

i just feel sorry for those who have the extremism inflected on them, who were better off living in a war zone than the "peace" that comes after it.

 

[demondavey]

This still seems like a deliberate attempt to ignore the differences between religions.

There are some belief systems that contain ideas - both fundamentally and in practice - that are more antithetical to western liberal values. It shouldn't be taboo to say that.

It's not accurate to remove these disinctions and condemn religion equally across the board.

I just don’t believe in sky wizards. I think it’s all a bit of a furphy.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

I just don’t believe in sky wizards. I think it’s all a bit of a furphy.

That's great but it's not an argument for not recognising which belief systems are more antithetical to western liberal values than others.

Let's say one sky wizard supposedly tells people to chill out and be nice to each other. Another sky wizard supposedly tells people that they need to convert everyone on pain of death and suicide bombers will be rewarded in paradise.

You don't need to believe the sky wizards are real to say which set of beliefs is preferable. I know which believer I'd rather have living next door to me.

Insisting that "nah I don't believe in either" simply refuses to recognise the obvious distinction.

All religions are extremist ideologies, it simply takes modern geopolitical and social factors to ramp the crazy up to violence.

Some doctrines are more antithetical to western liberal values than others. But sure, they are amplified based on how those ideas are taught, practiced and expressed.

This doesn't mean they're all the same. It means we need to precise when identifying the ways they're different.

 

[Pie eyed]

If it was a Christian fundamentalist motivation, it might make the news in Australia.

Seriously?
How hurt are you?
Scott Morrison rarely ever gets a mention in the press for his crimes.
The Catholic Priests deserve to be exposed at every turn, but really you could count on one hand the times that a "Christian Fundamentalist" has been openly called such in the media in a murder case.