why the name changes?

[wog777]

I was just wondering, why are Footscray and North Melbourne no more? And don't the kangaroos still mention North Melbourne in their club song?

 

[magilla]

they are still north and footscray.

western and northern are just "stage" names, a ploy to get more supporters.

footscray is a "spot the aussie" location really, so i think they thought these people dont follow afl, we are better off calling ourselves western so we represent the entire western suburbs rather than just foot-a-scray

north melbourne, probably similar reasons. not really sure

 

[Altum Volantes]

Footscray went to widen the appeal in the Western suburbs when Fitzroy died, North Melbourne went in an ill fated attempt to make the club more nationally appealling. The Roos still mention North Melbourne because it was an unpopular move they probably with they hadnt undertaken.

 

[Ry009]

north melbourne, probably similar reasons. not really sure

Not to alienate previously the Canberra supporters and now the prospective Gold Coast ones.

 

[Tas]

I was just wondering, why are Footscray and North Melbourne no more? And don't the kangaroos still mention North Melbourne in their club song?

It is North Melbourne Football Club, always has been, always will be. We are as much the Kangaroos as Adelaide are the Crows.

You can't notice it from my avatar logo but it says North Melbourne Football Club under the Kangaroos name.

 

[MarkT]

Because they are stupid stupid stupid!
Marketing flyins have a lot answer for.

 

[Altum Volantes]

It is North Melbourne Football Club, always has been, always will be. We are as much the Kangaroos as Adelaide are the Crows.

You can't notice it from my avatar logo but it says North Melbourne Football Club under the Kangaroos name.

Pffft, that might be the case now but isn't 'KANGAROOS' written on your 1999 cup?

 

[wog777]

It is North Melbourne Football Club, always has been, always will be. We are as much the Kangaroos as Adelaide are the Crows.

but on the team fixtures for example Adelaide is always listed as Adelaide, but I never see North Melbourne, just Kangaroos.

 

[giantroo]

Pffft, that might be the case now but isn't 'KANGAROOS' written on your 1999 cup?

Thats the year our name changed from North to KANGAROOS and thats why it had kangaroos on it.

 

[BringBackRooRuckle]

Pffft, that might be the case now but isn't 'KANGAROOS' written on your 1999 cup?

Incorrect! The cup actually reads:
Australian Football League
1999 Premiership
Won By
North Melbourne Football Club
(2 small lines of writing, too small from the photo i have),I would guess 'trading as'
Kangaroos

 

[Altum Volantes]

Thats the year our name changed from North to KANGAROOS and thats why it had kangaroos on it.

Yeah that's what I mean, Tas was implying the change was never made and 'Kangaroos' never meant any more than 'Crows' at Adelaide.

 

[Tas]

but on the team fixtures for example Adelaide is always listed as Adelaide, but I never see North Melbourne, just Kangaroos.

How many games do the Crows play outside of Adelaide? Zero?

Footscray changed their common name to Western Bulldogs, we did to Kangaroos and Hawthorn changed to Tasmanian Hawks.

I assume consultant firms surveyed people about how they would feel if a club played games in their area with their existing suburbian name or if they changed the name to a more neutral name and probably the neutral name got a lot more support.

Our president never calls us Kangaroos, always calls us NMFC, he doesn't like playing outside of melbourne, the name changes, etc but we are committed to this process for the short-term.

If and when return to Melbourne on a full time bases I am sure we would request the AFL go back to using NMFC rather than just using Kangaroos.

The song etc was changed to Kangaroos but all that stuff was reverted back to North Melbourne. The only thing left is just referring to the name as Kangaoors for consistancy I would assume.

 

[GoldenSky]

You can't notice it from my avatar logo but it says North Melbourne Football Club under the Kangaroos name.

Im sure they just brought that in a few months ago. You have been known solely as the Kangaroos for about 7 years before that.

 

[magilla]

as i said it's a "stage" name, or the proper term "trading as"

sorry bout the long url, how so you make a nice short link? but this in north's business registration, they are north melbourne football club limited

http://www.abr.business.gov.au/(3n1ih255zcrvgx55dbu1th45)/abnDetails.aspx?abn=21006468962&ResultListURL=..%252fsearch.aspx%253fSearchRequest%253dnorth%25252bmelbourne%25252bfootball%25252bclub%25255e%25252c1%25252c0%25252c0%25252c0%25252c0%25252c1%25252c0%25252c0%25252c0%25252c0%25252c0%25252c0%25252c0%25252c0%25252cTypical%25252cTypical%25252c0%2526start%253d0

search yourself you will see.

south melbourne football club is still registered also
footscray still footscray. trading as western bulldogs.

 

[magilla]

on second viewing.
sydney swans are their own registered business, south melbourne is still active but has no trading names?

 

[LongBomb]

It is North Melbourne Football Club, always has been, always will be. We are as much the Kangaroos as Adelaide are the Crows.

No you are not.

Explain why north are listed as 'Kangaroos' in official fixtures while Adelaide are listed as Adelaide.

 

[Father Jack]

How many games do the Crows play outside of Adelaide? Zero?

Footscray changed their common name to Western Bulldogs, we did to Kangaroos and Hawthorn changed to Tasmanian Hawks.

Hawthorn are Hawthorn, the bloody Tasmania part is a SPONSORSHIP

like hungry jacks, or ford, or emirates.

Jesus, is it that difficult a concept?

 

[magilla]

No you are not.

Explain why north are listed as 'Kangaroos' in official fixtures while Adelaide are listed as Adelaide.

yes they are "north melbourne football club limited"
trading as "the kangaroos"
abn - 21006468962

think of an actor's stage name, it's not their real name but it's what they work under. it does'nt eliminate their real name though, that still exists

 

[real magpies]

Hawthorn are Hawthorn, the bloody Tasmania part is a SPONSORSHIP

like hungry jacks, or ford, or emirates.

Jesus, is it that difficult a concept?

It's difficult for GC Roos supporters to grasp. They're going to be a bottom 4 team for many years to come

 

[Tas]

No you are not.

Explain why north are listed as 'Kangaroos' in official fixtures while Adelaide are listed as Adelaide.

Because Adelaide only play home games in Adelaide, we play games interstate.

Our club is the NMFC, it is a registered company, we just trade as Kangaroos. Is this too hard to understand?

If Adelaide played home games in various states and wanted to expand their appeal in different states they would more than likely choose a name other than Adelaide to promote the club in different states.

 

[Tas]

Hawthorn are Hawthorn, the bloody Tasmania part is a SPONSORSHIP

like hungry jacks, or ford, or emirates.

Jesus, is it that difficult a concept?

So Collingwood has sold all the naming writes for their club to Emirates? I dont think so. No club has done that to a sponsor since Geelong was called Whiskers or whatever it was they got into down there.

There is no Hawthorn now, Tasmania has bought the rights to call the club Tasmania Hawks for the period of their agreement.

 

[LongBomb]

Because Adelaide only play home games in Adelaide, we play games interstate.

That argument holds no water.
Plenty of other clubs have played home games interstate (st. kilda, melbourne, hawthorn) and not used their nickname in official fixtures.

 

[LongBomb]

So Collingwood has sold all the naming writes for their club to Emirates? I dont think so. No club has done that to a sponsor since Geelong was called Whiskers

That was Garry Hocking not the Geelong Football Club.

 

[Father Jack]

So Collingwood has sold all the naming writes for their club to Emirates? I dont think so. No club has done that to a sponsor since Geelong was called Whiskers or whatever it was they got into down there.

There is no Hawthorn now, Tasmania has bought the rights to call the club Tasmania Hawks for the period of their agreement.

Jeff tried to explain it thusly

"Right now our naming rights sponsor is HSBC, so often when you guys (in the media) are reporting us you refer to the HSBC Hawks, but we're transferring that from HSBC to Tasmania and I think a lot of people therefore will refer to us as the Tassie Hawks.

 

[Powerstufff]

For both clubs it was about expanding support/membership. As late entrants to the VFL they never got the level of support from their geographical base that some of the earlier teams did.
My understanding is North Melbourne with its interstate expansion games first in Sydney but then in Canberra expected more uptake by locals. Obviously it stood a better chance of happening if they weren't named after a Melbourne suburb. The rationale still makes sense playing in Carrera.
Likewise Footscray didn't want their name to link them to one geographical area, but I think in their case as the Western Bulldogs they weren't so much after interstate supporters as having a wider appeal in Melbourne. Given they now play in Darwin and Canberra it probably can't hurt to have changed.