MRP / Trib. Will Ziebell get more weeks?

[The Coach]

He can't appeal !!!!!!

Has no appeal

 

[pacemaker]

The footy gods have spoken on this charge and it has been well played.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

On its own, that was excessive. We can't compare it to any injustice we feel about Judd's sentence. Wellingham's had far more intent and he got 5 down to 3. Ziebell should have got a couple perhaps.

I hate the fact that players can't attack contests in any way anymore.

 

[blue gunslinger]

we all want a contest and nobody says that was incorrect-when he soared through the air in order to make the contest he was in strife

 

[Baggers]

4 is a bit excessive, but once you leave the ground & make contact to the head/face region, you're toast.
The field umpire who did not even pay a free kick for this MUST be dropped.

 

[kurandus]

I'm sure I'm in the minority, but I think he deserved to get off, footy was in dispute, ball was attacked, joseph was just unlucky. I expected him to cop weeks still, but Ziebell getting more then Wellingham for playing the ball, is poor.

 

[LanceRomance]

4 is a bit excessive, but once you leave the ground & make contact to the head/face region, you're toast.
The field umpire who did not even pay a free kick for this MUST be dropped.

He has a crappy record.

 

[Benno_900]

He can't appeal !!!!!!

MRP -> Tribunal -> Appeals Board

 

[Just Kreuzing]

He has a crappy record.

Yeah, the hit on Riewoldt last year was very ordinary, should of taken the 3 weeks.

I wonder if North asked for our medical report?

 

[rooboy44]

Yeah, the hit on Riewoldt last year was very ordinary, should of taken the 3 weeks.

I wonder if North asked for our medical report?

medical report said concussion, no broken cheekbone

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Said it on the main board, 2 major incidents on Friday night, one free and no-reports from the 3 dills in charge (including that boggly eyed one).

Would hope all 3 will be umpiring up in some rural backwater this weekend.

 

[Snoozer]

I'm sure I'm in the minority, but I think he deserved to get off, footy was in dispute, ball was attacked, joseph was just unlucky. I expected him to cop weeks still, but Ziebell getting more then Wellingham for playing the ball, is poor.

Agreed. Ridiculous. Worth 1 maybe at a stretch. IMO was in the course of contesting the ball. Contact was incidental, in the course of contesting the ball and in the motion of protecting himself. Don't the AFL realise that it's a contact sport played at breakneck speed? Sometimes stuff happens.

 

[Claypigeon]

I'm sure I'm in the minority, but I think he deserved to get off, footy was in dispute, ball was attacked, joseph was just unlucky. I expected him to cop weeks still, but Ziebell getting more then Wellingham for playing the ball, is poor.

He didn't really go for the ball in the end. .. He over committed and could have challenged the ball without jumping into Joseph. .. Unlucky to get 4 but he has a bad record and challenged. ..

 

[Just Kreuzing]

medical report said concussion, no broken cheekbone

Might of looked after him, probably should of said we are not sure if his head will stay on or fall off before he plays again.......

 

[Wickzki]

What a ****ing Joke that both Ziebell and Judd got longer suspensions than Sharrod "I intentionally hurt him" Wellingham

 

[Old Skool]

Respect you guys for the level headed responses all things considered.

The Ziebell ruling has fundamentally altered the game.

A player is no longer allowed to jump for the ball in order to beat an opponent to the ball if any heavy contact can occur.

He must weigh up an "alternative" even if his opponent is not in possession of the ball.

They should just put netball bibs on them and get it done with.

 

[Dramoth]

Said it on the main board, 2 major incidents on Friday night, one free and no-reports from the 3 dills in charge (including that boggly eyed one).

Would hope all 3 will be umpiring up in some rural backwater this weekend.

This is why I reckon that the AFL should take some of fat Vlad's paycheck and make the umpires professionals who work and train and study every week to be an AFL umpire...

 

[Dramoth]

Respect you guys for the level headed responses all things considered.

The Ziebell ruling has fundamentally altered the game.

So has the Judd ruling...

If the next person who grabs someones arm and causes some bruising and a bit of discomfort doesnt get 4 weeks on the Judd Law... then the AFL have just shot themselves in the foot.

 

[laminex]

I can not believe this poor prick got 4 weeks for going for the ball and Wellingham gets 3 and take a player out illegally. It was worth a free kick and thats about it IMO.

 

[Drew23]

Said it on the main board, 2 major incidents on Friday night, one free and no-reports from the 3 dills in charge (including that boggly eyed one).

Would hope all 3 will be umpiring up in some rural backwater this weekend.

Pity most of the umpires are out injured from tripping over their own feet, taking a roll and spraining their ankle...

Have been obverving the Carlton board since the game. Wanting to see thoughts on the umpires and both ziebell and judd.

Firstly umpires were shithouse to Carlton but just as bad to north. Think we got a couple of slight nuddges in the back in our forward line gifting us goals. But the umpires have been looking for anything even touching the blokes back this year. Problem is they still miss half of the more obvious ones. I think the thing that is annoying me the most that not a great number of people raise.....how the **** most players get rid of the ball. Throwing it in the air or dropping it is not a legal disposal. This has been brought about though because the guy going to ball gets punished if he grabs the balll and gets tackled instantly. Abosulte crap. Now this with ziebell....

Yer getting off the ground is not the best move. However should a guy playing the ball and only having eyes for it be punished? If he got a clean punch on it over the fence and collected joesph on the way down. Would he be in the same situation? It happens every week....can players not punch the ball anymore as they may clip an opponent? This means no marking contests, no tackling, no ruck contests. At this rate of progression by 2015 afl will be a non contact sport. Tackles that used to be great and what you would try to learn as a junior gets you a 3 week suspension these days. As a junior be first to the footy go as hard as you can. Can't do that you may run into someone on the way to the footy and he may roll his ankle. School level football is currently harder than the professional level as they dont suspend players for **** like that.

I hate that jack got suspended as he idolizes what north pride itself on. But I hope this makes the afl realise that if they continue suspending players for putting into practice what they have learnt all the way through juniors. I think some of you on this board are upset that Judd got suspended and thus jack needed to. But honestly the afl is headed down a bad path that will discourage many fans from attending games. Afl was unique but is rapidly moving to the over zealous procautions of the other codes.

Think judds move was stupid. Was close to incidental but when carazzo took adams to ground he had to let go. I think many of you would want blood if the shoe was on the other foot and it was judds shoulder getting pulled on. Initially I was annoyed with it but 4 weeks is excessive. Worse incidents like Campbell Brown last year punching the bloke behind play and stomping have recieved far less.

Hope the afl fixes its act quickly

 

[Snoozer]

Said it on the main board, 2 major incidents on Friday night, one free and no-reports from the 3 dills in charge (including that boggly eyed one).

Would hope all 3 will be umpiring up in some rural backwater this weekend.

Wouldn't that imply that the tribunal were correct in their rulings?

 

[Claypigeon]

Respect you guys for the level headed responses all things considered.

The Ziebell ruling has fundamentally altered the game.

A player is no longer allowed to jump for the ball in order to beat an opponent to the ball if any heavy contact can occur.

He must weigh up an "alternative" even if his opponent is not in possession of the ball.

They should just put netball bibs on them and get it done with.

Think that is a bit extreme. .. If he jumped and was stretching for the ball then fair enough but he jumped and basically landed on Joseph's head when he could have kept his feet and still competed where the level of the ball was. .. Unlucky to get 4 but it was reckless. ..

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Wouldn't that imply that the tribunal were correct in their rulings?

I'd say they were thereabouts, the whole thing could have been sorted by Saturday afternoon, without tonights Pantomime.

Would reckon Ziebell was always looking at 2, copped the rough end tonight.

Judd to me it seems they wanted to make an example of, with the initial charge/whatever on Saturday, he was looking at 2/3 and carryover points getting it to 4.

They were pretty determined to enforce that tonight with a nice old slap on the face, and rub his nose in it.

Well that's how I saw it.
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[Old Skool]

Think that is a bit extreme. .. If he jumped and was stretching for the ball then fair enough but he jumped and basically landed on Joseph's head when he could have kept his feet and still competed where the level of the ball was. .. Unlucky to get 4 but it was reckless. ..

The outcome of your rationale is that a player must not necessarily make the ball his ultimate objective when the ball is still in dispute.

He must "zone off" and wait for an opponent to take possession.

I'm sorry, but this offends everything I have been brought up to believe about the game.

Kenny Hunter would have been rubbed out for 50% of his career.

 

[Claypigeon]

The outcome of your rationale is that a player must not necessarily make the ball his ultimate objective when the ball is still in dispute.

He must "zone off" and wait for an opponent to take possession.

I'm sorry, but this offends everything I have been brought up to believe about the game.

Kenny Hunter would have been rubbed out for 50% of his career.

I said nothing of the sort. .. I said he could have kept his feet and still competed for the ball. .. no need to launch into Joseph like he did. .. He exaggerated the challenge and is paying the price for recklessness. .. You are throwing out a lot of straw man here. ..